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Old 27th Sep 2018, 00:20
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You say don't shoot the messenger, but I am locked and loaded! That's total nonsense.
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Old 27th Sep 2018, 01:32
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Nope, itís true. Although I think itís quite a new thing.

As it was explained to me at the sim, BA have had some people struggle with a new type and they think itís partly down to the infrequent nature of LH flying.

So in the sim they will assess how quickly you adapt to an unfamiliar type, the speed at which you learn and take in information, spare capacity, accuracy of flying etc...

At the end end of the sim the instructor will tick a box on your report whether they think youíre suitable for long haul, or whether they think youíll benefit from some time with more regular sectors.

Also there was the caveat that if you get sent short haul, it doesnít mean you failed the longhaul assessment, probably just that they need short haul people at the minute!

Its clearly not about flying skills as I got LH!

Its all explained when they go through the power point before the sim. Donít lose sleep over it!
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Old 27th Sep 2018, 07:44
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Well I'm not going to lay awake tonight worrying about your gun, I'm just telling you what he told me.
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Old 27th Sep 2018, 08:17
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Originally Posted by wiggy View Post


In the context of the ex-military guys (and to partly answer the question posed by skaterboi) thatís not always been the case on Longhaul. FWIW earlier this year I flew with one ex-Voyager, very very new DEP on the 777.
Wiggy is correct. Ex RAF Voyager Pilots recently DEP on to 777. And previously also direct to the A380.
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Old 27th Sep 2018, 08:45
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I stand corrected.

The “suitable for long haul” policy has also been confirmed internally and has, to say the least, generated a bit of controversy. It was supposed to address a few training failures which are now being “solved” through selection rather than squeezing everyone through a minimum footprint course then immediately putting people under all sorts of extra pressure if 6 landings and 8 approaches with bonus jet lag (you probably haven’t mastered controlled rest yet either) isn’t enough for you to get to grips with your first heavy jet in the real world.
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Old 27th Sep 2018, 08:58
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Originally Posted by Jwscud View Post
I stand corrected. The “suitable for long haul” policy has also been confirmed internally...

If it’s any consolation the fact that such a policy actually exists on a formal basis is news to me as well, though I can see why: for the reasons you have stated.
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Old 27th Sep 2018, 12:59
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Suitable for LH??!!!! I would have liked someone suitable for SH last week. Every approach back into LHR and some up north were all in and around the 25-30kt range gusting up to 39. Itís fine having a policy but if we are sending the weaker candidates to SH itís not a great idea in my opinion. More junior commands, more junior FOís. I donít mind saying it but when it was gusting 35 across it was the most I had had to deal with until now.
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Old 27th Sep 2018, 14:41
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Originally Posted by bex88 View Post
Suitable for LH??!!!! I would have liked someone suitable for SH last week. Every approach back into LHR and some up north were all in and around the 25-30kt range gusting up to 39. Itís fine having a policy but if we are sending the weaker candidates to SH itís not a great idea in my opinion. More junior commands, more junior FOís. I donít mind saying it but when it was gusting 35 across it was the most I had had to deal with until now.
The idea I guess is that pilots will have more chance to develop their flying skills in SH than LH : more approaches, more landings, more briefings with less time (LHR-MAN is a good example), etc.

Personally, I think this is not the real reason. It is just a very convenient way for BA to "force" people to go to SH. They must be fed up with people refusing their SH offer because they know they'll be offered LH if they wait.
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Old 27th Sep 2018, 15:26
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Originally Posted by VinceR View Post
...They must be fed up with people refusing their SH offer because they know they'll be offered LH if they wait.
That sounds like a bit of a high risk strategy - how often does it work?


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Old 27th Sep 2018, 15:49
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Originally Posted by wiggy View Post


That sounds a bit of a high risk strategy - how often does it work?
The only thing I know for sure is it worked. People preferred losing a bit on seniority to start directly on LH. Some rumors say that BA is now by far more strict on that. They clearly say that a "no" will be final (no more offer).
Rumor to be confirmed though.
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Old 27th Sep 2018, 16:12
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Originally Posted by VinceR View Post
Rumor to be confirmed though.
Consider it confirmed. You get one email with an offer and 24hrs to reply with a yes. Turn it down or donít reply and you get kicked out the holding pool.

Getting a Ďrecommended for LHí definitely does not mean thatís what youíre going to get offered
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Old 27th Sep 2018, 16:33
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Friend of mine, <2000 hours, no unfrozen ATPL.. airbus TR. Straight on the 777
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Old 27th Sep 2018, 16:46
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Originally Posted by TheAirMission View Post
Friend of mine, <2000 hours, no unfrozen ATPL.. airbus TR. Straight on the 777
how recent was this?
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Old 27th Sep 2018, 18:22
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Couple of things come out from the company recently, you can only go LH if you have an unfrozen ATPL (and fairly unlikely if no “jet time”) and if you turn down your first job offer you are out the pool, no bargaining anymore.

BA will send you where they want you and make offers depending on what positions need filling at that particular time.

Good luck to everyone swimming the quicker you join the less I work.
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Old 27th Sep 2018, 22:21
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Originally Posted by reeko View Post


how recent was this?
Last month
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Old 28th Sep 2018, 00:01
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Originally Posted by TheAirMission View Post
Friend of mine, <2000 hours, no unfrozen ATPL.. airbus TR. Straight on the 777
Need the ATPL by end of TR course though so must have all the requirements met before starting the course.
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Old 28th Sep 2018, 12:29
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Originally Posted by Stocious View Post
Need the ATPL by end of TR course though so must have all the requirements met before starting the course.
meaning the 1500 hours TT inclusive of x, y & z etc etc?
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Old 28th Sep 2018, 17:38
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Originally Posted by reeko View Post


meaning the 1500 hours TT inclusive of x, y & z etc etc?
Yes, the ATPL skills test will be done during the TR course LST, with a requirement to apply for it as soon as possible after. Otherwise they can't do APIC duties.
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Old 1st Oct 2018, 12:28
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Guys, how much do the verbal reasoning and TCAS test on latestpilotjobs reflect regarding the real test at Waterside? The verbal test seems to be a 100% miss..
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Old 3rd Oct 2018, 12:46
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Good friend,Sim early September,positive result to hold pool,A320 rated.Posted 777 Jan
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