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Old 6th Oct 2018, 19:57
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Essentially itís EZY in blue
Does that apply, if one achieves a command after a few years?
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Old 6th Oct 2018, 20:25
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Originally Posted by bex88 View Post
Essentially itís EZY in blue.
A significant over simplification in my opinion.

I worked at EZY for 5 years, then spent my first 3 years in BA based down at LGW (leaving there not very long ago).

Some differences -

1. BA workload is much quieter during the winter than EZY. My highest annual hours were around 700. Easyjet was 800-900 each year.

2 True that nightstop destinations are limited, but lots of decent length layover times in the town centres rather than minimum rest at airport hotels. Decent amount of clear days off in EDI or GLA should that be your thing. I loved them.

3. Small base so you know everyone and so enjoy the friendly atmosphere that goes with it, which is not the case at the massive LGW easyjet base.

4. The knowledge that if you donít enjoy it, or begin to lose your enjoyment of it, then you can move to LHR or long haul rather than being relatively trapped in the job at EZY.

5. Significantly lower number of 4 sector days.

6. Tastier crew food IMHO. Certainly healthier.

Donít get me wrong, Iím not trying to slag off easyjet. There are plenty of plus points to working there.

Just trying to help people from avoiding the trap of not moving airlines because they took it at face value when someone said that BA at LGW is just EZY in blue. There are similarities but there are significant differences too.

Hope that helps anyone considering the move.
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Old 7th Oct 2018, 00:21
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Originally Posted by bex88 View Post
Essentially itís EZY in blue.
Rubbish - I don't regret leaving easyJet for BA. It wasn't everything I imagines but perhaps I was being a bit naive. I feel like I'm treated as a professional at BA, and I'm no longer treated like a child by my management.

If you're flying an A320 at LGW for easyJet what have you got to lose by applying for BA at LGW? You can essentially carry on doing the same job whilst you build up seniority to make a move over to long haul if thats something you fancy doing, if you get in quick you'll probably get a command sooner at BA (I have heard C32X is down to the 4000's this year).
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Old 7th Oct 2018, 07:57
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Originally Posted by student88 View Post
If you're flying an A320 at LGW for easyJet what have you got to lose by applying for BA at LGW?
Money, you lose money. Managementís attitude to FOs is slowly shifting as well. About time too.
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Old 7th Oct 2018, 12:14
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Originally Posted by EllanVannin View Post


A significant over simplification in my opinion.

I worked at EZY for 5 years, then spent my first 3 years in BA based down at LGW (leaving there not very long ago).

Some differences -

1. BA workload is much quieter during the winter than EZY. My highest annual hours were around 700. Easyjet was 800-900 each year.

2 True that nightstop destinations are limited, but lots of decent length layover times in the town centres rather than minimum rest at airport hotels. Decent amount of clear days off in EDI or GLA should that be your thing. I loved them.

3. Small base so you know everyone and so enjoy the friendly atmosphere that goes with it, which is not the case at the massive LGW easyjet base.

4. The knowledge that if you donít enjoy it, or begin to lose your enjoyment of it, then you can move to LHR or long haul rather than being relatively trapped in the job at EZY.

5. Significantly lower number of 4 sector days.

6. Tastier crew food IMHO. Certainly healthier.

Donít get me wrong, Iím not trying to slag off easyjet. There are plenty of plus points to working there.

Just trying to help people from avoiding the trap of not moving airlines because they took it at face value when someone said that BA at LGW is just EZY in blue. There are similarities but there are significant differences too.

Hope that helps anyone considering the move.
Thanks for all the info, Iíd actually prefer minimum time away, how often were you generally doing nightstops each month?

Thanks to all others that replied as well! Does anyone know what the chances are of getting short haul if currently Boeing rated? Are you able to specify a preference and do they take this into consideration? I just have the sim check part of the interview to do now.
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Old 7th Oct 2018, 13:10
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From what I was told, if you ask for 320 LGW, youíll get it.
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Old 7th Oct 2018, 13:35
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You can apply directly to LGW as they have split the applications, but need 500 hours on A320 or A330.
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Old 7th Oct 2018, 13:51
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Originally Posted by speedrestriction View Post


Money, you lose money.
I guess it depends how much you're being screwed over when you leave. My pay almost doubled the first year I joined BA, I was on a £39K Second Officer contract at easyJet..
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Old 7th Oct 2018, 15:15
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Thanks for al the info!
From ppjn I calculated roughly the pp1 take home pay (incl tafb and block hour payments) for long haul. Is a figure of £4500,- net realistic? What would this be approximately in 5 years time?

Thanks again and good luck to all applying.
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Old 7th Oct 2018, 15:48
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It's more like around 4k on longhaul if you're lucky.. Not sure about the 5 year figure as I've only been in for 3 years
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Old 7th Oct 2018, 16:24
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Originally Posted by The Foss View Post


Thanks for all the info, Iíd actually prefer minimum time away, how often were you generally doing nightstops each month?

Thanks to all others that replied as well! Does anyone know what the chances are of getting short haul if currently Boeing rated? Are you able to specify a preference and do they take this into consideration? I just have the sim check part of the interview to do now.
you can avoid nightstops quite easily at LGW if you want to, as there arenít masses around. At LHR itís harder to avoid them entirely though.
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Old 7th Oct 2018, 16:49
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Re nightstops and:

At LHR itís harder to avoid them entirely though.
Iíll admit short haul isnít my aisle but I thought the days of BEA and ďBack Every AfternoonĒ had long gone for all but the most senior (if thatís what they want)....If maximum number of nights at home per month is an important criteria is BA (certainly at LHR) necessarily a wise choice? Thatís not intended as a pointed comment - Iím just throwing the question out there to hear what people think.
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Old 7th Oct 2018, 17:35
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I can't understand the modern desire to be home every night. I used to like being away and believed in the adage that absence makes the heart grow fonder.
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Old 7th Oct 2018, 20:46
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Originally Posted by nrn View Post
It's more like around 4k on longhaul if you're lucky.. Not sure about the 5 year figure as I've only been in for 3 years
nrn you must be using host a LOT if youíre lucky to take home £4K after 3 years on LH. Iím a Short Hauler in the company a similar amount of time to you and even in quiet months Iím taking home £4K easily. Is your tax code correct?
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Old 8th Oct 2018, 04:41
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Originally Posted by AIMINGHIGH123 View Post
..........Also heard BA CityFlyer are upping pay.

Sorry to hijack the thread, but in reply:
There is rumour about BACF upping pay but nothing confirmed. We recently had two surveys thrown at us, one BALPA and one company re pay. Our current pay deal is until July 2019. There are also many more rumours going around BACF. Most laughable.
Too many people at BACF hear a rumour and then spout it as fact, often claiming first hand knowledge. Most do not materialise!! One fleet manager loves to gossip.
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Old 8th Oct 2018, 06:43
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Originally Posted by AIMINGHIGH123 View Post
Any guys/gals in BA know if a pay rise is due?
Last three year deal expired April this year, talks with the company are due so talks about the talks have been rattling along for some time on the in-house forum...

BA are making a massive profit, bonuses all round for the upper echelons so I’m expecting RPI plus not a lot for the pilots if history repeats itself, though TBF the Union is now operating under different management so who knows. As this forum’s existence demonstrates BA has not historically had a problem attracting pilots or retaining them though there are signs things might be changing.

The management POV is since BA still runs a seniority pay scale most pilots get a pay rise every year ..
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Old 8th Oct 2018, 07:31
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BA bonus

yeah I couldnít believe the Bonus (if you can even call it that) we got ! Almost like a sick joke from the guys at the top !!
Just about sums up BA to be honest
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Old 8th Oct 2018, 07:57
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The pay question is a good one. BA’s incremental pay scale means you get about 2.3% per year. The issue is that when these scales were bought in SH commands were around 12 years. With the improved terms at RYR, EZY, Jet2 etc a command on SH at BA is not well rewarded for new commands. The gulf is huge. 78k to 148k for doing the same job!!? Let’s not point the finger at the top because that’s not the issue. The issue is how far behind the lower end of the pay scale has fallen away. I would hope that is addressed to at least match the low cost carriers....after all “Gap to market” was a favourite phrase from management until recently.

Another way way to look at it is that any increase is enjoyed by the tax man more than the pilot. Healthcare for the family would be very welcome. That’s just my view talking for myself and I know little of LH or FO pay etc. What I do know is our ex bmi colleagues should get flight pay and I feel some of our FO’s are dreadfully underpaid for any overtime that they do. It is time we were less of a push over. Yes invest in our future, but we invest for our future whilst the shareholders etc take now and tomorrow there is never any reward as we must invest again.

My take home home pay is static if not less than it was a few years ago.
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Old 8th Oct 2018, 09:40
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People are leaving BA. Of course there are those who retire and those who lose their medicals etc, but there is a small flow of people who decide BA is not for them. Some of these come from LH and some come from SH. I know directly of 2 FOs who decided the 744 in BA was not for them and quit to return to their previous employers. I’ve heard of a couple who got their command on SH and who’ve left to earn a lot more cash. I’m not sure how it was 10+ years ago, but BA certainly isn’t what it used to be. That said, I would rather look at the sun through a pair of binoculars than return to my previous employer (Jet2). But, everyone is different....
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Old 8th Oct 2018, 10:46
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Originally Posted by RexBanner View Post


nrn you must be using host a LOT if youíre lucky to take home £4K after 3 years on LH. Iím a Short Hauler in the company a similar amount of time to you and even in quiet months Iím taking home £4K easily. Is your tax code correct?

Sorry thats a PP1 take home pay with minimal HOST and no overtime. Iím a TCP right now so Iím not sure how that compares to a PP4 line pilot. But right now itís a lot more but that is because I do an extra sim every now and then.

With regards to the upcoming pay negotiations, Iím expecting the BACC to push for an absolute massive payrise. We all winge about lifestyle, but when you compare us to EasyJet we are lacking behind in cold hard cash. Right now weíre making a shit tonne of money and I bet you the company is going to hide behind BREXIT this time next year. The time is NOW!

the reality will probably be slightly different though....
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