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Old 13th Jun 2018, 12:51
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Do they provide a calculator for the math tests?
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Old 13th Jun 2018, 14:31
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Do they provide a calculator for the math tests?
No calculator allowed. But they do provide a pencil and paper.
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Old 13th Jun 2018, 14:35
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I'd like to prepare for my upcoming sim by having a look at Aerad charts like they use, and an example flight plan so I can see the format.

Does anyone know where to find copies (out of date is fine too!)?

Thanks a lot, please feel free to PM me if you can help.
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Old 13th Jun 2018, 14:59
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No calculator allowed. But they do provide a pencil and paper.
Thank you very much
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Old 13th Jun 2018, 15:48
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I'd like to prepare for my upcoming sim by having a look at Aerad charts like they use, and an example flight plan so I can see the format.

Does anyone know where to find copies (out of date is fine too!)?

Thanks a lot, please feel free to PM me if you can help.

BA now use Lido charts. A google image search for Lido Charts brings loads of examples up.
From memory, you don't get a proper flight plan, just a basic fuel plan, very basic route and NOTAMS/Weather. So no need to study that.

For the BA sim assessment concentrate on CRM and pilot competencies more. They expect you to make basic errors as they recognise that people don't fly the 747 in basic modes every day. Its more how the two of you address this as a team.
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Old 14th Jun 2018, 06:07
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Originally Posted by Dupre View Post
I'd like to prepare for my upcoming sim by having a look at Aerad charts like they use, and an example flight plan so I can see the format.

Does anyone know where to find copies (out of date is fine too!)?

Thanks a lot, please feel free to PM me if you can help.
https://www.navigraph.com/ViewNews.aspx?newsId=70

When I was prepping for my Sim, I got a one month subscription for €7.50 and printed all of the latest Lido plates from here. Good Luck
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Old 14th Jun 2018, 07:45
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Revise, verbal reasoning and mental maths. Pen and paper stuff. Estimation, areas etc that kind of stuff. Fractions, percentages, long and short division and multiplication.

group excersise, just be yourself. Don’t sit there and say nothing and don’t take the ball and run with it yourself. In my group I was forced into the later because everyone just looked at each other and we would still be sitting there now unless I had got things moving. If needs be get it going but start distributing tasks to involve others and towards the end if needs be pull everyone together to come up with an answer between you but resist telling them what the answer is.

sim: you can’t prepare for it really. You can fly a 747 perfectly and still won’t get in if your CRM is not what they want. Again if everyone played the game I would still be in the sim answering a question with a question and making no real progress. Just make an effort to include your colleague, ask them for another option and if you can get a TDODAR in there a PPP and a bottom line for your decision then you will be pretty much ok. BA is very different from the airlines I was at before so it can feel pretty alien. It’s more of a “I know what I expect to do and how I am going to do it but I need to check that you know what we are going to do and how we are going to do it” that way we are both working to the same plan. Other airlines were far more “this is what I will do, got it?”

Hope that makes sense
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Old 14th Jun 2018, 14:42
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Revise, verbal reasoning and mental maths. Pen and paper stuff. Estimation, areas etc that kind of stuff. Fractions, percentages, long and short division and multiplication.

group excersise, just be yourself. Don’t sit there and say nothing and don’t take the ball and run with it yourself. In my group I was forced into the later because everyone just looked at each other and we would still be sitting there now unless I had got things moving. If needs be get it going but start distributing tasks to involve others and towards the end if needs be pull everyone together to come up with an answer between you but resist telling them what the answer is.

sim: you can’t prepare for it really. You can fly a 747 perfectly and still won’t get in if your CRM is not what they want. Again if everyone played the game I would still be in the sim answering a question with a question and making no real progress. Just make an effort to include your colleague, ask them for another option and if you can get a TDODAR in there a PPP and a bottom line for your decision then you will be pretty much ok. BA is very different from the airlines I was at before so it can feel pretty alien. It’s more of a “I know what I expect to do and how I am going to do it but I need to check that you know what we are going to do and how we are going to do it” that way we are both working to the same plan. Other airlines were far more “this is what I will do, got it?”

Hope that makes sense
Thats great feedback, thank you, is there much in the way of graphical questions like the SHL stuff?
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Old 14th Jun 2018, 16:42
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[QUOTEIt’s more of a “I know what I expect to do and how I am going to do it but I need to check that you know what we are going to do and how we are going to do it” that way we are both working to the same plan. Other airlines were far more “this is what I will do, got it?”
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And just like that, Bex has nailed it. That is exactly the advice I would give, in a nutshell. Think like that and don’t crash or attempt a landing off a crazy approach, and i reckon you’ve cracked the sim. And group exercise come to think of it.
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Old 16th Jun 2018, 15:27
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I should not even be on this thread, but, as an early retired and inconsequential Canadian, who flew numerous general aviation aircraft, and numerous airliners, mostly for charter operators (think britannia, monarch, and the like), long haul and short haul, big and narrowbody, and one asian national carrier doing long haul, I must say that being a pilot in the UK sounds awfully complicated. And yes, have flown into the UK numerous times, along with the rest of Europe. Just part of the job.

After a fair amount of outright bankruptcies, mass layoffs, and constant seasonal layoffs, it just so turned out that I had to get many new type ratings with the new employer, and all paid by the employer. So, none of this type rated requirement was going on. At the end of the day, it was just another airplane to learn. People of my ilk actually got fed up by going onto yet another course, just to fulfill employment requirements.

The two main carriers here, and, all of the American carriers, hire non type rated pilots all the time, and they provide all of the training. However, there are no cadet programs, people tend to have at the very least, 2000 to 5000 hours of flying time in anything that flies. Even if you had a type rating on one of their aircraft, it would mean little or nothing, since initial job awards are solely based on seniority driven openings.

I feel for you guys, aviation life in Britain sounds very hard...........

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I have the same background as you, except I'm a dual Canadian/British passport holder, and dual TCCA/EASA ATPL holder. About 9 type ratings for many of the same reasons as you, flown in Asia also.

I think this comment is nonsense. Maybe you should have gotten your EASA licence, and worked in the UK (not on a validation) before making those comments. You might see things differently. Then again, the majority of Canadian pilots (not necessarily you btw) are scared to death of the EASA ATPL exams, as most would never get through them.

Additionally, your comment about hour requirements, and no cadet programs is grossly outdated. In the 90's, and early 2000's, these comments would have rung true, but not in 2018.

To be honest, I feel worse for the Canadian kids who can't/won't make any money in their careers. You'd make more money as a TTC bus driver in Canada nowadays. It's a shame.

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Old 17th Jun 2018, 03:44
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I have the same background as you, except I'm a dual Canadian/British passport holder, and dual TCCA/EASA ATPL holder. About 9 type ratings for many of the same reasons as you, flown in Asia also.

I think this comment is nonsense. Maybe you should have gotten your EASA licence, and worked in the UK (not on a validation) before making those comments. You might see things differently. Then again, the majority of Canadian pilots (not necessarily you btw) are scared to death of the EASA ATPL exams, as most would never get through them.

Additionally, your comment about hour requirements, and no cadet programs is grossly outdated. In the 90's, and early 2000's, these comments would have rung true, but not in 2018.

To be honest, I feel worse for the Canadian kids who can't/won't make any money in their careers. You'd make more money as a TTC bus driver in Canada nowadays. It's a shame.

Cheers!
So, not Canadian, dual EU/USA passport, flew in EU (on a full JAA ATPL) for a decade, and for the last decade in the USA. I have only 6 type ratings.. I don't know about the bus drivers here, but a second year FO at pretty much any non-regional is making over $100K. Over 95% of the people getting on at such places have over 2000 hours. There is ONE ab-initio program (JetBlue) up and running, and it starts with a 4 year degree, followed by a year or two of flight instructing, ALL PAID FOR BY THE STUDENT, around $200K). Beginning pilots go to the regionals and make (including sign-up bonusus) $65K/year. Again, I know nothing about Canada, but I definitely prefer the current situation here over the situation in the EU. Correct me if I am wrong, but none of the legacies hire of the street, if you don't do the approved school and are young enough you can forget about getting in (possibly different at BA, my experience is KLM/DLH). If you can't get onto a legacy your options are Ryanair/WOW/Vueling/Wizz/NAS and so on: temporary/zero hour contracts, no union protections, no social security. Never thought I would say it but aviation is a dumpster for starting pilots in the EU compered to the US.
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Old 17th Jun 2018, 12:18
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Never thought I would say it but aviation is a dumpster for starting pilots in the EU compered to the US.
This is just plain wrong. I'm a newly qualified European pilot, married to an American so have the right to work in both the EU & US, so I've looked into this.

The main difference is that newly qualified cadets such as myself, rightly or wrongly, can get into the right hand seat of a commercial air liner with <200 hours. In the US (not sure on Canada) you have to do 1000 odd hours of instructing/crop dusting/parachute drops/banner towing for a hell of a lot less than a Ryanair FO. Ryanair and easyJet have or are ending the temporary/zero hour contracts, they're recognising unions and social security is built into our taxes. Now, I'm not saying their T&Cs are as good as the legacies, but I know where I would much rather do my first 1500 hours. And its my understanding from there you can get into any of the European majors off the street. In the US you have to go through a regional and have a university degree before the Majors will even look at you.
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Old 17th Jun 2018, 21:49
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EU is probably the best place to get Jet hours fastest after training!!!
My first job has been on Q400 so not Jet. I paid for my initial fATPL but no other outlay. Pay is not that bad, last year £42k before tax, 2 years in company still with fATPL. Loads of people are moving on to other airlines BA, Air France, Aer Lingus, TUI, etc etc have all taken on guys/gals with around my experience from our airline.
Guy from my course went Ryanair for 3 years then got BA 787. That’s not too shabby.
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Old 18th Jun 2018, 10:19
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BA A320 DEP Assessment - any news regarding stage 3 (simulator assessment)?

Hi guys,

I attended stage 2 (interview and group exercise) of the A30 DEP First Officer recruitment offer on the 21st May, and I got an e-mail beginning of June telling me that I passed this stage.

However the mail was stating that there was no slot available at the moment for the next stage (simulator assessment).

Just to know, is there anyone here who is in the same position? Any idea about when these slots might be released? Anyone already invited for the upcoming sim assessment? During the lunch break at Waterside, we were told that the sim assessments would probably be in June but it seems that they are busy now, with all the applications received.

By the way, I would be more than happy to keep in touch with the persons who did their interview + group exercise on the 21st May or similar period. Feel free to send me an email. Would be nice to have a chat.

Thanks a lot in advance.

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Old 18th Jun 2018, 14:10
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This is just plain wrong. I'm a newly qualified European pilot, married to an American so have the right to work in both the EU & US, so I've looked into this.

The main difference is that newly qualified cadets such as myself, rightly or wrongly, can get into the right hand seat of a commercial air liner with <200 hours. In the US (not sure on Canada) you have to do 1000 odd hours of instructing/crop dusting/parachute drops/banner towing for a hell of a lot less than a Ryanair FO. Ryanair and easyJet have or are ending the temporary/zero hour contracts, they're recognising unions and social security is built into our taxes. Now, I'm not saying their T&Cs are as good as the legacies, but I know where I would much rather do my first 1500 hours. And its my understanding from there you can get into any of the European majors off the street. In the US you have to go through a regional and have a university degree before the Majors will even look at you.
so it seems like ryr is finely being forced to improve, great! Also, yes you need a 4 year degree, but if you do an aviation degree you can get your flight training including ATP theory done during those 4 years, that takes a lot of people more than 2 years in the EU, yes you will not go directly into a legacy, but regional pays better than Ryanair. Maybe things are changing with the Lagacy carriers in the EU, but I personally don’t know any who got hired there unless they were young and did the “approved” school, in the USA people get hired by the mayors and nobody cares what flight school you did. I don’t agree with the requirement for 1500 hours in the USA, flew with enough 200 hr guys to know that won’t make a difference. Having said that, it takes most people a year or so to get enough time after their college (1500 hrs is only for non college flight training), you make $15.000 or go to a LLC in the EU, pay €30.000 for a type rating and get a half year summer contract, (or a 5 year bond, so if you get that job offer, you’re still paying).
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Old 18th Jun 2018, 15:05
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When did this turn into a USA vs EU thread?
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Old 18th Jun 2018, 18:40
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When did this turn into a USA vs EU thread?
Wish I knew?
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Old 19th Jun 2018, 09:08
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Anyway BA DEP recruitment.........Who cares about USA or EU, at BA post Brexit Britain concerns working in neither!
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Old 19th Jun 2018, 09:26
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I would say less than a third of BA's recruitment comes from cadets and new flight school graduates. About 50% are probably DEPs from other airlines and the rest are probably Managed Path pilots leaving the military.
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