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Old 1st Dec 2015, 14:44
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Thanks for the infos guys, much appreciated.

I roughly worked out the NET take home pay for a year 1 FO including allowances to be 4830 GBP per month.
does that sound about right?

It is slightly less to what I am making now, but being based back in Europe again is the big plus for me. I have had enough of the middle east, after only being here for about 4 years.

cheers
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Old 1st Dec 2015, 15:35
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Old 1st Dec 2015, 16:08
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I attended the Luton Roadshow, took my time with the application, essay questions etc, even sent email saying I attended the roadshow, then got a no to my application, it still shows submitted. Not sure what type of person they were looking for? Ex FE and over 2000hrs First Officer Boeing time.
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Old 1st Dec 2015, 16:36
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Hi All,

Last year I applied for DEP, passed day 1 testing at Waterside with a call back less than 6 hours after leaving, sailed through the interview & group exercise and before I knew it I was booked in for a simulator assessment less than 3 weeks after submitting my online application.

I thought the simulator assessment went fine but a couple of restless days later I got the email I was dreading...I had been unsuccessful! The email did however offer me feedback which I jumped at and just a few weeks later I received the call. The feedback all seemed very positive, a few minor points here and there but I was told I missed out by the very skin of my teeth.

I decided to have another go this year, I submitted my application and got the invitation to day 1 again. I launched into preparing myself for the tests and went off to Waterside, all seemed to go ok on the day and I came out quietly confident. After an anxious 4 day wait I received an email stating ‘after careful consideration it has been decided not to take my application any further’ to say I was gutted was an understatement.

I really cannot understand what went so disastrously wrong in 12 months, I asked for feedback but received a polite reply saying that due to high volumes of applications they would not be able to accommodate my request.

I am guessing that every application is assessed without any reference to any previous attempts; it was nice to experience the whole selection process for myself but very disappointing that I was unsuccessful so early on in the second attempt.

I wish all of those in the current recruitment drive the best of luck.
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Old 1st Dec 2015, 18:06
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G109.

I roughly worked out the NET take home pay for a year 1 FO including allowances to be 4830 GBP per month.
does that sound about right?
This sounds a little high to me, while junior the allowances make up a much larger chunk of your pay than for those more senior. The allowances fluctuate quite a lot depending on night stops vs day trips vs reserve, little of which you have much control over while junior.

I'm still in my first 5 years and after the compulsory pension contributions are deducted my Gross pay is usually between 5500 and 6000 GBP. Then you need to deduct tax, NI and any expense payments. I would therefore work on the low 4000's GBP and then be happy when you have a busy month.

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Old 1st Dec 2015, 19:28
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No, way too high (unless you have some unique tax arrangements) - if you work on £4,200 NET as a Yr 1 FO, on longhaul and not using much HOST (the allowance system at BA - you can take local currency out at the hotels and it is debited from pay the following month). If you use HOST a lot, expect to take a few hundred quid off the £4,200. My lowest so far has been around £3,900 - I had leave.

P.S. I should say the above figure is also after putting in 9% (pre-tax) in to the pension.

Rgds.

Originally Posted by g109 View Post
Thanks for the infos guys, much appreciated.

I roughly worked out the NET take home pay for a year 1 FO including allowances to be 4830 GBP per month.
does that sound about right?

It is slightly less to what I am making now, but being based back in Europe again is the big plus for me. I have had enough of the middle east, after only being here for about 4 years.

cheers
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Old 2nd Dec 2015, 08:56
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Would anyone be knowing if the requirements for DEP are likely to go back to "minimum of 500 hours experience on an aircraft that satisfies CAP 804 FCL.730.A - Zero Flight Time Training course requirement" for SH?
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Old 2nd Dec 2015, 14:04
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At the moment they are no longer progressing applications from those already in the system (ie passed Day 1 or 2) who do not meet the Long Haul minima and have a number of pilots in the hold pool who have likewise been told they are unlikely to receive offers any time soon.

I would thus suggest it is unlikely in the near future!
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Old 2nd Dec 2015, 14:50
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Hi,

Is anybody willing to share a few rosters from blind line junior pilots on the various long haul fleets? Obviously not too specific so that you can't be identified etc. Just weighing up the improvement in lifestyle compared to the current employer.

I really appreciate any replies!

Also, has anyone been called from the hold pool for long haul since the update was sent out?

Thanks
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Old 2nd Dec 2015, 15:53
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Is anybody willing to share a few rosters from blind line junior pilots on the various long haul fleets?
Hope you get some feedback but old or even the current rosters may be of limited value. From February onwards Long haul moves it's rostering onto EASA compliant version of FTLs, so whether historic Blind lines are going to have any resemblance to those down the road is anybody's guess.

It's going to be an interesting few months...
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Old 2nd Dec 2015, 15:58
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BA hold pool

Any ideas of the break down in the hold pool? How many are not meeting the long haul requirement? Many A320 rated? Are they likely to exceed 12 months in the hold pool and get sent back to square one like previous years?

All the best to those affected.

HP
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Old 2nd Dec 2015, 17:04
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My sources are:

- The recent email to hold poolers stating that only long haul offers would be made to those who did not hold A320 ratings and no non-rated recruitment (apart from FPP) would take place onto the A320

- Two friends who have been informed that despite passing, they will not be progressing to the next stage of recruitment due to not meeting LH type or hour requirements, one after day 1, one after day 2

- Contact with other hold pool swimmers through this website/via email
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Old 2nd Dec 2015, 18:03
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That's interesting. I can only assume training capacity is at its limit on the A320. There is a huge amount of movement from the A320 fleet to LH fleets and also from RHS to LHS. Perhaps 320 numbers are shaping up nicely as they have pushed in a large number of new FO's onto the fleet. Pretty much all bidders who don't require a type rating have been given an ok bid for command on type
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Old 3rd Dec 2015, 03:45
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Why have BA got a 25tonne limit on people going onto long haul? People have joined the big 3 in the Middle East onto 777 and A330 from dash 8s,CRJs etc without problems.
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Old 3rd Dec 2015, 06:48
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EK have only recently dropped the bar low enough to turboprop because they can't attract anyone. It was out of desperation and necessity.
The simple answer to many of these questions is that BA can do, and always have done, whatever they like.

Originally Posted by Harry palmer View Post
Why have BA got a 25tonne limit on people going onto long haul? People have joined the big 3 in the Middle East onto 777 and A330 from dash 8s,CRJs etc without problems.
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Old 3rd Dec 2015, 07:37
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I went through the recruitment process last year. BA opened a few different applications; first it was 320 only, then 330/340 guys who would be willing to do the short course to convert onto the 320 and finally non type rated. I didn't apply at the 320 only stage as I wanted to try long haul but by the time a job offer came around for me, there was no choice but the 320 anyway. I nearly didn't accept based on that and from what I know now that would have been a major mistake. As much as people complain about the fleet, it has far more variety than my previous job and plenty of flexibility. There are guys with Heathrow commands coming up after 3 or 4 years in the company and rumours that they may need to open a supplementary bid to fill more spaces.

Some people had the feeling that long haul courses were being offered to get more applications through the post, and they certainly got mine because of that, once you've invested your time in the whole
process it's hard to turn down a job. I wouldn't be surprised if there is a little bit of that going on now, some of my old colleagues at Easyjet are certainly more interested in applying.

BA are going through one of the biggest recruitment drives ever, they haven't been able to offer any part time in this years bid due to lack of Pilots. Seniority on the 320 is moving like nobody's business. I wouldn't be too concerned with falling out of the hold pool if you've been successful but don't meet long haul requirements, it is highly likely that the 320 training capacity is maxed out but it's a matter of time before they need more folks on the fleet.

I think this campaign will continue onward for some time!
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Old 4th Dec 2015, 15:13
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The most junior successful applicant for LHS Airbus LHR this year has a grand total of 6 months in the company as a copilot.

There is a mass exodus from unfrozen P1's off the A320 fleet to Long Haul and BA can't find enough experienced* co-pilots to replace them.

IMHO, the 2 main reasons for Command becoming so junior this year is the combination of
  • Our rosters will soon be constructed to the new EASA FTL's and
  • Our new CEO has come from Veuling and his opinions of Short Haul pilots is reflected in his T's and C's of his previous company
Good luck all.

*3500 TT required
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Old 4th Dec 2015, 15:22
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Vueling, a company that still struggles to turn a profit despite the salaries they pay. That should tell him all he needs to know about the relevance of pilot pay to the profitability of a company.
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Old 4th Dec 2015, 16:02
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*3500 TT required
I don't think that is correct.

It's 2000 hours for command which goes down 1000 if PIC
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Old 4th Dec 2015, 17:00
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From the above post???????

There is a mass exodus from unfrozen P1's off the A320 fleet to Long Haul and BA can't find enough experienced* co-pilots to replace them.

I thought all Airbus slots were now covered after any movers changing fleets by FPP and Airbus rated Experienced people from the pool. Hence why we hear people in the pool that are not Airbus rated or meet the long haul requirements being told no offers for you this time and guys in the selection process not meeting the requirements being told they will progress no further as everything next year is now long haul.

Or are things about to change once again?

Best of luck to everyone where ever you are in the process.

HP

Last edited by Harry palmer; 4th Dec 2015 at 17:11.
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