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Old 6th Dec 2015, 13:51
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Old 6th Dec 2015, 15:03
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Congratulations on getting into the hold pool.

There are many positives to sites like PPRuNe for sharing information, however it is a rumour network so there fore don't trust everything that is typed.

I'm not in the know of how the next 350/400 pilots for 2016 will be recruited but obviously there is a great need for LH NOW... That's not to say that non type rated holdpoolers are now not required. The facts are that there is a great deal of movement internally, nearly everyone of my 2011 batch are leaving the 320 for LH or seat change... We have to be replaced which is why the company are rigidly sticking to the 5 year engagement freeze (bar C32L/X). BA have run out of internal 'unfrozen' bidders hence the need for LH DEP's. I'm quite sure we will then require 320 DEP's type rated or not, as not all the 350/400 new pilots will go to LH... It's just a question of when. FACT we need pilots so your in as positive a situation as you could be in.... Don't believe posters who say we don't need you, how do they know? I don't & I'm not even sure BA know.... Things change very quickly.....

LC is a very trusted manager, he is one of only a few that know the plan for the next few months. I'm sure they are working on a plan... You just might be towards the end of that plan!

My Advice would be to Stay positive, & stay in touch with the recruitment team every couple of months... If I hear any further Facts then I will of course post.

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Old 6th Dec 2015, 15:19
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Oh c'mon ; Kingsurf is ambiguous for a Command and balks at the prospect of getting through all those communities on the way to Heathrow. I look back at Hamble selection and wonder how today's lot would even get past the initial, phase 1 screening.(A funny thing called an Application pro-forma and initial medical). Bring back A.H.,Abbott, Secretary to the Selection Board, you had to get past him first. Oh, he must be 100 now. He didn't like me at Phase 2 because I said "Cripes, I thought all secretaries were girls !" !
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You totally lost me? i seem to remember writing a post as to what life was like as a junior skipper at LHR and nothing more.
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Old 7th Dec 2015, 11:00
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KINGSURF ; Oooops, sorry. I was commenting on a post by THE CREW. Spotted yours that seemed to go the same way. Apologies. Thought I was being entertaining. Story of my life. Staying in today.
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Old 7th Dec 2015, 23:25
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Thanks, hopefully the next 12 months won't be too agonising! Appreciate you giving a heads up on anything you manage to find out, in the mean time I shall be in contact with recruitment as frequently as possible without being an outright nuisance!
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Old 8th Dec 2015, 07:53
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Regarding the leave. I gather its bid for 6 months in advance and over 2 bid seasons, and that you have 6 weeks allotted including the un worked weeks. A few questions:-

1/ Is it possible to achieve 3 blocks of leave in each season or are you restricted to one 2 week block and one single week?

2/ If you have a weeks leave of 7 days are there any "wrap around" days attached to the 7 days off in lieu of normal days off?

3/ How does a month with leave affect your requirement to achieve CAP? Does leave count towards CAP.

Many thanks.
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Old 8th Dec 2015, 09:00
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To answer the leave questions:

Leave at LHR is two weeks a season, with a duty free week

You can take these in blocks of a single week or as a two week block, you could, in theory, put the DFW up against the leave block of two weeks.

The leave blocks have 3 wrap days attached to them meaning that you can make the week into 10 days.

Leave and the DFW attract the daily rate of CAP. So divide monthly cap by the days in the month and you attract that much credit per day on leave and DFW

Wrap days and DFWs can be worked in, leave cannot.

Leave is bid for but is not seniority based. Each leave block has an attached value in points. This adds to your pot. More attractive leave blocks earn less points. When the leave bids are allocated, the highest points gets the leave allocated first.

Points last for (i think) 8 years, so after that time the points you earned 9 years ago are wiped - but the points for the last 8 years remain.
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Old 8th Dec 2015, 14:11
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Many thanks for answering JT.
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Old 9th Dec 2015, 12:32
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Just to clarify the required minimums for BA Command as few statements I've read on here aren't quite accurate..... It states in the OM-A Section 5.2 that there are 4 boxes of various experience, one of which you must satisfy before commencing a BA Command Course.

'1000 hrs PIC & 2000 hrs in command on civil jet transport greater than 25 tonnes with zero time in BA'I suggest won't apply to many, so we'll bypass that!

Most will fall into this category.....

'2000 hrs on jet transport greater than 25 tonnes or military equivalent, 1 year in BA'.
I read it as "1+3" rather than "1 of 4" boxes. So 3500 TT etc, then including one of the next three criteria.

The instructions in the Annual Bid document states the same. Otherwise, some of our early FPP chaps could easily have 2000hrs plus one year in BA come the start of their command course, but they've all been denied.
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Old 10th Dec 2015, 07:02
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All this is irrelevant unless you are in BA, Bid line , leave , nice to know but really, anyone commited to all the time n effort necessary to get into the pool dont give too hoots about the complexities of Bid or leave.
Its gotta be better than most loco J2 or Monarch!
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Old 10th Dec 2015, 09:01
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You don't know anyone's situation. I'll ask what I like thank you all the same.
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Old 10th Dec 2015, 12:15
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and if you are in BA then I would assume you know the answers. It may be better than eJ and Monarch but how would we know if we don't ask ?
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Old 10th Dec 2015, 12:46
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Its gotta be better than most loco J2 or Monarch!

I would say it depends very much on your age , and where you live.
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Old 11th Dec 2015, 01:07
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Why age now? If commands are happening at 1-2 years after joining, what difference does age make? Age was only a thing cause it meant financially other options were better wasn't it? But now BA seems to be offering quick commands that most would give their right arm for (apart from current BA employees strangely).

And so now you can make FO money on a part time Capt salary if you want so who cares about seniority or bid line. Or just kick back and as you work up the list you get all your weekends back.
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Old 11th Dec 2015, 02:22
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BA command on SH happens fairly quick if you got the requirement, especially A320 LGW base.
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Old 11th Dec 2015, 11:25
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Originally Posted by ezy320 View Post
BA command on SH happens fairly quick if you got the requirement, especially A320 LGW base.

Many captains and FO's have recently declined their moves back to LHR next year. Most are enjoying life at LGW with great crew and a real variety of flying. More importantly, the roster control you get as a junior pilot at LGW is far better. Ultimately this will result in LHR becoming the most junior command by some margin.
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Old 11th Dec 2015, 11:31
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Guys I' ve said it for a long time, the future is low cost for short haul, period. Just different flags, but same story. I think this is to keep in mind when thinking career moves etc..It will come for long haul too, not just yet though.
Good luckto all
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Old 12th Dec 2015, 08:28
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Well if you've said it for a long time, and yet it still hasn't happened; perhaps, just perhaps you may be wrong.
I think personally there's a market for full service and no frills. BA seem to be proving this.
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Old 12th Dec 2015, 10:10
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I was talking about contracts, lifestyle and hours per year...and as you can very well see it has happened already..
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Old 12th Dec 2015, 10:48
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BA command on SH happens fairly quick if you got the requirement, especially A320 LGW base.
To be accurate. In 2016, any pilot in BA with the required experience for command can achieve LHS A320 IF THEY BID FOR IT in the annual bid. Certain freezes (including type freezes) have been waived.

Anyone with the experience, can achieve a LHR command. Anyone with the experience, can achieve a LGW command. It just depends which you prefer? Long, four sector days = LGW. Multi day Euro tours = LHR. LGW pilots achieve fewer days off, and will eventually bump up against a pay cap.

The current time to command is a TOTAL one off. Don't make ANY plans expecting it to last!

There are reasons why SH commands are unpopular in BA.

If LHS of an Airbus is all you want, go to/stay at Easy.
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