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Old 23rd Oct 2016, 23:06
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Give us an example in your life when you have been too accommodating for reasons of cultural diversity and thereby have let someone else down
Well, how about this?

I personally have strong beliefs regarding animal welfare. Many others do too, and strongly disagree with halal slaughter. We neither need, nor want it. However, since halal is EVERYWHERE, in order to paint ourselves as 'diverse' in this PC world, we either become vegetarian, or sacrifice our beliefs, as we are forced to accept, 'our' beliefs are seen as less important?

Am I letting myself down?

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Old 24th Oct 2016, 08:27
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4468,
Quite possibly a perfect answer that many of us could use but I doubt I'd have thought of that on the spot.
Without wishing to detract from your thought provoking post how about a flippant example.
It's the belief ( now rescinded)of the airport authority at a certain UK airport is / was that Tabards should be worn to collect your case. The collection point is in the open air. However reading the user instructions of said tabard it states not to expose to UV light. So to adhere to the beliefs of the airport owners I'm damaging my employers property. I could of course wait for nightfall, a cloudy day or indeed wear the tabard under my uniform jacket as the requirements state a tabard must be worn but doesn't demand that it is used as an outer layer.
The requirement for female crew to wear a winter coat into a ME destination in 40 degree heat and your duty of care as a commander is another potential example.
I'm pleased it's not a real question though and agree it's an amalgamation of 2 questions.
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Old 24th Oct 2016, 09:09
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The requirement for female crew to wear a winter coat into a ME destination in 40 degree heat and your duty of care as a commander is another potential example.
Please s t , that's such an incredible/daft scenario nobody here will believe it's worthy of an answer...
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Old 24th Oct 2016, 09:26
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Oh yeah you'd only have that as an example AFTER you'd got the job,my bad.
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Old 24th Oct 2016, 10:37
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..yep, and you'll only realise after you've got the job just how much time and effort is spent by some in trying to avoid spending a penny more of the flight ops budget......but I digress....

BTW what's the answer to the question ?
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Old 26th Oct 2016, 19:21
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Joined around 6 months ago, last few months of submitting preferences have resulted in a total of zero of those preferences becoming reality (and they weren't particularly unrealistic!)

The swapping system however works well and gives junior guys like myself a chance to control things to an extent.
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Old 26th Oct 2016, 19:25
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Expect to work 3 out of 4 weekends per month roughly. If you are a sharp swapper and user of open time that can be reduced if you can hack the minimum 2 local nights rest at base or are willing to back to back the 3 day African trips.

Blind lines thus far as someone 80-90% down the fleet list are pretty good. Preferences depend on how you use them - if you ask for lots of things you are unlikely to get much. If you make one or two, you are more likely to be in luck. Whenever I have needed a specific day or weekend off, solely putting that as your preferences or a call to preops have solved the problem.

Trip swapping with other guys on the fleet is what really allows you control of your life. In the months I've been on line, I've never flown more than one or two of the trips on my original line, and never once flown the roster I was originally given.

It's a great fleet, you'll love it.

Edit to say strange that my experience with preferences is so different, maybe Ive just been lucky thus far.
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Old 1st Nov 2016, 10:06
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Has anybody heard any rustlings regarding any more long haul positions becoming available or is it still only short haul?

Hearing that the bid results have been delayed?
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Old 1st Nov 2016, 15:41
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The requirement for female crew to wear a winter coat into a ME destination in 40 degree heat and your duty of care as a commander is another potential example.
High of 21 Low of 6 tomorrow
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Old 1st Nov 2016, 15:44
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Swapping and sector swapping is the way ahead. Can completely re-write the roster and extend or reduce trip length. All subject to FTLs. The beauty is that if its legal then it can be done, via computer and not at the whim of a person.
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Old 1st Nov 2016, 16:04
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Agreed, but we have been here before when eMaestro was introduced, what, a decade or so back? Given the current state of play excluding the "whim of the person" in management seems to be the big problem..

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Old 2nd Nov 2016, 08:30
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Swapping and sector swapping is the way ahead. Can completely re-write the roster and extend or reduce trip length. All subject to FTLs. The beauty is that if its legal then it can be done, via computer and not at the whim of a person.
Just out of interest, is there an issue with overtime or is there no overtime payment with BA? We have serious limits on my outfit on swapping because of course some try to maximise overtime while others try to maximise leasure time.
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Old 2nd Nov 2016, 12:51
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O/T is paid at a rate of 1.25 so isn't particularly appealing to many! Certainly when they are desperate the offer of Clash and Protect is there which basically means you go on a trip earlier than the one you were rostered often over a weekend but you keep the credit for the trip that you've been clashed off so essentially you are paid twice which is lucrative if you can get it.! (Hope that makes sense)
It has all but dried up on the 744 in the RHS this year it could well be there on other fleets though but its best not to count on it as its not consistent generally.
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Old 2nd Nov 2016, 13:30
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O/T is paid at a rate of 1.25 so isn't particularly appealing to many!
That may be. However, I recently met a 747 captain who earned 100k IN OVERTIME last year. I believe he is full time??

I don't think he bothers too much with emaestro, but his name is well known to those who 'matter'!

Clash and Protect is the secret!
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Old 2nd Nov 2016, 13:41
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Yep they are not over crewed with Capt's like they are FO's (currently on the 744 sure this could change) so plenty in the LHS are still able to Clash, as someone joining in the RHS i wouldn't count on it. Last year i did 300hrs this year I've done 45hrs!!!
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Old 2nd Nov 2016, 18:32
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Thanks for the answers. Guess our overtimes rates are quite different.
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Old 2nd Nov 2016, 18:40
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Overtime is paid at 1.25 x NCP however NCP is considerably less than your normal hourly rate. Overtime is incredibly cheap for the company unless you start getting into the realms of clash and protect which is what has enabled the above Captain to do so well. However, the days of clash and protect are pretty much over. The company obtains incredibly cheap forced overtime through bank withdrawal with immediate pickup of the withdrawn trip, and also through the roster assign process as previously discussed.
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Old 5th Nov 2016, 18:42
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Any other guys/girls in the pool heard anything recently for 320?
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Old 8th Nov 2016, 10:11
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I recently checked the website PPJN for pay scales and information on British Airways. Someone has updated the information stating that BA will require 300 DEPs for 2017. Does anybody know if there is any truth in that figure? I saw the figure of 170 DEPs quoted on this website.
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Old 8th Nov 2016, 19:11
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Alanrobins01, the investor day dust is still settling and we are waiting for the publication of the internal bid results which are over a week late. Some more info may come out then.
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