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Old 20th Nov 2015, 15:36
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The 767 is indeed a dying fleet, but it's not dead yet. Recently heard that recruitment onto the fleet will continue for the short-medium term. This allows people further up the list to depart for pastures new.

Of course this comes with the usual health warning that accompanies all rumours. But never say never.
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Old 20th Nov 2015, 16:34
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Hi all,

I am reluctant to contradict Wirblesturm, but as 2W2R says recruitment for the 767 is continuing, at 2-4 a month for the forseeable future. Now as it is 1730 on Fri night that probably only takes us until 0830 on Mon morning . New Trainers are being trained to help with the training and allow other trainers to move to other fleets to help with training there.

New recruits onto the 767 allow the senior FOs to move off. Beware that the fleet is due to shut in 2018 so people joining now will still be within their engagement freeze so BA could send you wherever they want. It could be longhaul but it could be to the A320.

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Old 20th Nov 2015, 16:36
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No worries, especially since to original plan had the 767 gone by now!!

Always happy to be corrected.
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Old 20th Nov 2015, 18:42
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If DEP to the A380 is going on and it is a cost game, as people have been saying (probably correctly), then why are A320 people being told not to expect long haul? Correct me if I'm wrong but Boeing/Embraer rated guys are going to have to do the full 6 week type rating course whereas A320 bods can get the rating done in two weeks max on a CCQ. Or is this a case of BA managing expectations for those in the pool?
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Old 20th Nov 2015, 21:01
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Because the 320 fleet is in need of pilots. A320 rated with minimum training required. You would then use the guys you have to rate to go onto the LH fleet. 1 type rating but 2 new pilots.
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Old 21st Nov 2015, 01:00
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I know at least 1 DEP going from 20 straight to 80.
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Old 23rd Nov 2015, 22:25
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Hi all,

Time to command in BA is presently about 6 months.

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Old 24th Nov 2015, 00:38
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Yep, not sure of "time in" but just the seniority number of the individual involved has caused more than a few jaws to drop ( mine included).

There will now no doubt be the debate about exactly why it has happened ( I suspect we can probably work it out why there was a lack of interest from many), but even so it looks like the old adage of bidding for what you want, or simply having a "punt", regardless of freeze, has had interesting consequences. I wonder how many of the slightly more senior are kicking themselves.......
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Old 24th Nov 2015, 06:48
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at the moment it is a pulse and a hole in the proverbial
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Old 24th Nov 2015, 07:06
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Certainly looks a bit like that.

Looking at the experience required matrix in the Ops manual (health warning - which I may be completely missreading) it looks to me that as long as the pilot has 1000 hours command on the type in question then it is a case of ticking some licence/admin boxes and then passing the BA command course - which is certainly not a "given".............(there are other experience criteria, but that's probably the "fastest" track)

It will take time to see whether this is a "black swan" event precipitated by the current grumbles about short haul or whether the trend towards v junior short haul commands will continue. It will also be interesting to see if the individual actually gets to do his/her course, given the way the training programme changes over the year.

Last edited by wiggy; 24th Nov 2015 at 08:35. Reason: added there are multiple criteria.
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Old 24th Nov 2015, 09:07
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The annual bid results are out now, so I'm assuming course dates will be forthcoming, and as a result, joining dates.
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Old 24th Nov 2015, 09:26
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However, how many of these 350 jobs are likely to be coming to fruition given the situation in the world right now. Events taking place this morning have just escalated things further!
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Old 24th Nov 2015, 10:00
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I can't see us scaling back recruitment plans for the coming year. The only question now - will the guys who have been given long haul instead of short haul be miffed because their A320 new entrant colleagues are getting commands within a year? Ha ha ha
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Old 24th Nov 2015, 10:29
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Good point GS, though before there's too much noise it's worth emphasising that this sub-one year time to command is only potentially be available to a few DEPs, and will only be repeated if this year's bidding pattern carries forward.
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Old 24th Nov 2015, 11:58
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Hi all,

It's worth also noting that no part time contracts were offered this year. This means that there is a large amount of work that current pilots want to give up but can't. This will require more recruits next year to pick up this work.

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Old 24th Nov 2015, 12:08
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No 'aspirational' part time is being granted but given the rumour of 700+ pilots applying for 'right to request', I don't think anyone expected 'aspirational' part time to get a look in this year. I think you will find unprecidented numbers of pilots will be getting part time in 2016...
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Old 24th Nov 2015, 15:32
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Command requires 3500 total hours of which 2000 on AC <12t and 1500 BA hours.

2000hrs on aircraft <25t and 1 year in BA or 1000 P1 on type.

Bid for what you want. Two years ago I told people it would take me another 8 years or so for a command. Now I find myself being told I have an approved command bid and that I best get working because I will be getting a course.

In fairness I can see why people have not wanted it because the last 2-3 years has been a hard grind...........75% please
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Old 25th Nov 2015, 06:44
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Well done Bex!
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Old 25th Nov 2015, 09:47
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Command requires 3500 total hours of which 2000 on AC <12t and 1500 BA hours.

2000hrs on aircraft <25t and 1 year in BA or 1000 P1 on type.
Should there be another 'or' in there. Essentially if you join as DEP (having flown, say, an Airbus for someone else as P2) you need 2000 hours for command. Is that correct? You only need the 3500 if your hours are on smaller things.

Edited to add I think your < should be a >
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Old 25th Nov 2015, 10:03
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Not just me finds that matrix strangely written and a bit of a puzzle then , and almost impossible to put into text format here.

if you join as DEP (having flown, say, an Airbus for someone else as P2) you need 2000 hours for command.
Unless you have 1000 hours in command time on the 320, in which case you're in the frame for a right to left immediately . Then again I guess if you've got 1000 P1 you'll have the >2000 hours on the airframe

That said whilst its worth knowing the numbers required, and therefore knowing what is possible, I would not assume low time commands are going to become the norm. I rather suspect that the results of this year's annual type/seat bid will act as a bit of a wake up call to those who didn't think it was worth bidding for a command this year (I actually suspect there more than a few people going around kicking themselves or the cat over this year's results). Then again in twelve months time I'll no doubt be proven wrong - again.....

I agree with you about the inequalities...

And yes, well done bex
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