People Leaving Ezy For Greener Pastures.
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I agree with most of what unable says. I thoroughly enjoy flying for easyjet and have no complaints. It is hard work but no more than i expected and I certainly get more free time than in any other non-aviation related jobs i have had.
It is my first airline so I have no idea how other airlines operate with regards to rostering etc.
Many other pilots i am flying with also agree that ezy is a good job. Many have flown charter in a previous life (eg. quite a few Brittania guys) and say they were always as tired if not more tired with their schedules in those airlines. Many ex longhaul guys also seem to prefer the regularity of the ezy roster.
On the other side of course, many people are upset at the unstable rostering and pushing flight and duty time limitations to the limit.
Personally I dont feel excessively fatigued or taken advantage of in any way. The guys and girls, both flightdeck and cabin crew (and ground staff) are great, its a good laugh and pay is good. I have only been with the company a year or so. Maybe when I am more of a grizzled old pro things may appear different. Or maybe I am just easily pleased.
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The Greaser
It is my first airline so I have no idea how other airlines operate with regards to rostering etc.
Many other pilots i am flying with also agree that ezy is a good job. Many have flown charter in a previous life (eg. quite a few Brittania guys) and say they were always as tired if not more tired with their schedules in those airlines. Many ex longhaul guys also seem to prefer the regularity of the ezy roster.
On the other side of course, many people are upset at the unstable rostering and pushing flight and duty time limitations to the limit.
Personally I dont feel excessively fatigued or taken advantage of in any way. The guys and girls, both flightdeck and cabin crew (and ground staff) are great, its a good laugh and pay is good. I have only been with the company a year or so. Maybe when I am more of a grizzled old pro things may appear different. Or maybe I am just easily pleased.
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Easy sure aint perfect, but it aint that much different to any other aviation job these days.... it certainly isnt as bad as many want to portray it here!
There are too many pilots, who if paid £100k a year and work 3 on 5 off, would still moan.......
There are too many pilots, who if paid £100k a year and work 3 on 5 off, would still moan.......
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There are a lot of good things about working with EZY, and as Greaser implies, one of them is the good working atmosphere among the crews and groundstaff.
However, that is driven by the people themselves, and not a product of the company's attitude towards its staff.
EZY really could be a career airline one day - the basic ingredients are there.
There are just some attitudes that have persisted from the time that it was a 2-airplane operation out of a shed at Luton, ingrained with a fear among several long-established managers, that a change towards a more "traditional" airline model (eg. rostering agreements, annual pay and T&Cs reviews with union reps, pension agreements etc) would betray or irrevocably undermine the whole "Orange - Dare to be Different" thing.
One of the harsh realities of rapid growth and expansion is that you can't be a family business anymore - or if you do want to try to stay as a family, you have to hand over the reins to the next generation. It's sad for the diehards, but EZY has to change to cope with its rapid growth. If that means losing a lot of the old ethos - unfortunately that what it has to take.
Most people would agree that EZY isn't the job it could be, whether they enjoy working there or not. But it is screaming out to be better! It wouldn't take much, just a change of heart. But that may be too much to ask of the people at the top.
However, that is driven by the people themselves, and not a product of the company's attitude towards its staff.
EZY really could be a career airline one day - the basic ingredients are there.
There are just some attitudes that have persisted from the time that it was a 2-airplane operation out of a shed at Luton, ingrained with a fear among several long-established managers, that a change towards a more "traditional" airline model (eg. rostering agreements, annual pay and T&Cs reviews with union reps, pension agreements etc) would betray or irrevocably undermine the whole "Orange - Dare to be Different" thing.
One of the harsh realities of rapid growth and expansion is that you can't be a family business anymore - or if you do want to try to stay as a family, you have to hand over the reins to the next generation. It's sad for the diehards, but EZY has to change to cope with its rapid growth. If that means losing a lot of the old ethos - unfortunately that what it has to take.
Most people would agree that EZY isn't the job it could be, whether they enjoy working there or not. But it is screaming out to be better! It wouldn't take much, just a change of heart. But that may be too much to ask of the people at the top.
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easy is my 10th airline 2 of which have been national carriers and I'm afraid I've heard the statement, "this company could be a career airline onday " in everyone of them. Sadly it will never be the utopia we dream of!
easy is not a lot differant on the whole I'm no more tired now than before, and don't miss the zombie mode(jetlag days) days one bit! Sure the summer schedule is very tiring but that no differant else where I can assure you many of my friends flying charter are in the same boat.
I'm afraid a lot of the young guns these days have missed out on the glory days of aviation, when pilots were highly thought of proffesionals and pay and conditions reflected that, and seem to be rather bitter about it!
Uneasy
You really need to move on and see if the grass is greener on the other side, sadly though I know you will be dissappointed. The first thing you'll notice is that the colour on the tail has changed and thats all! You also asked what type of pilot I am well I'll answer, a proffesional pilot one that has heard all the rantings of fools such as you on too many occasions and like many other proffessional pilot we are begining to get fed up with your kind. Please go work in a bank or something and leave flying to the real men and women with guts!
and before any ex Go people start to tell us how great GO was i'm affraid it was also a case of same **** differant day but because it was a small company staff had a sence of purpose, and boy have I fallen for that old chessnut a few too many times in my career.
Finally though if you want a job thats not boring and enjoy the company off some great characters, if you enjoy a job thats as much fun as its hard work then easy is just like most other airlines a reasonablly good place to be!
easy is my 10th airline 2 of which have been national carriers and I'm afraid I've heard the statement, "this company could be a career airline onday " in everyone of them. Sadly it will never be the utopia we dream of!
easy is not a lot differant on the whole I'm no more tired now than before, and don't miss the zombie mode(jetlag days) days one bit! Sure the summer schedule is very tiring but that no differant else where I can assure you many of my friends flying charter are in the same boat.
I'm afraid a lot of the young guns these days have missed out on the glory days of aviation, when pilots were highly thought of proffesionals and pay and conditions reflected that, and seem to be rather bitter about it!
Uneasy
You really need to move on and see if the grass is greener on the other side, sadly though I know you will be dissappointed. The first thing you'll notice is that the colour on the tail has changed and thats all! You also asked what type of pilot I am well I'll answer, a proffesional pilot one that has heard all the rantings of fools such as you on too many occasions and like many other proffessional pilot we are begining to get fed up with your kind. Please go work in a bank or something and leave flying to the real men and women with guts!
and before any ex Go people start to tell us how great GO was i'm affraid it was also a case of same **** differant day but because it was a small company staff had a sence of purpose, and boy have I fallen for that old chessnut a few too many times in my career.
Finally though if you want a job thats not boring and enjoy the company off some great characters, if you enjoy a job thats as much fun as its hard work then easy is just like most other airlines a reasonablly good place to be!
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I didn't want to sound like I was striving for absolute perfection, it's probably my fault for being unclear. I am fully aware that the world is a different place nowadays than "the glory days", but as I was still at school then, I can hardly be said to be bitter about them - I never knew them!
As a veteran of 10 airlines I'm sure you have seen it all and decided to try to see the good and just put up with it, or maybe you have just developed rhino skin through years of systematic abuse and don't give a toss anymore cos nothing ever changes. Or maybe your just a thoroughly laid back person who is happy with their lot in life. Or maybe you're on a part-time contract cos you've made enough money and brought a good pension with you from those other 10 airlines (I'm not trying to judge you, just fishin!
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Your friends are "in the same boat" in charter or longhaul. Well my friends are leaving EZY to go into those areas. Generation gap, perhaps? Or just a difference in perception? Or genuinely angry and fed-up with overwork which no-one is prepared to listen to them about?
easyjet is still a young, growing company with a good foothold in its market sector. There is plenty of time to change, plenty of opportunity to adapt, and still plenty of profit margin to act. All I'm asking is why taking a step forwards for the benefit of the crew (the majority of the workforce) should have to be such a massive issue for the CEO and Chief Pilot.
Your happy, good for you. I wish I had your fortitude. But don't begrudge the rest of us who are not, but are determined to stick it out, and try and make EZY a better place to work.
I didn't want to sound like I was striving for absolute perfection, it's probably my fault for being unclear. I am fully aware that the world is a different place nowadays than "the glory days", but as I was still at school then, I can hardly be said to be bitter about them - I never knew them!
As a veteran of 10 airlines I'm sure you have seen it all and decided to try to see the good and just put up with it, or maybe you have just developed rhino skin through years of systematic abuse and don't give a toss anymore cos nothing ever changes. Or maybe your just a thoroughly laid back person who is happy with their lot in life. Or maybe you're on a part-time contract cos you've made enough money and brought a good pension with you from those other 10 airlines (I'm not trying to judge you, just fishin!
)Your friends are "in the same boat" in charter or longhaul. Well my friends are leaving EZY to go into those areas. Generation gap, perhaps? Or just a difference in perception? Or genuinely angry and fed-up with overwork which no-one is prepared to listen to them about?
easyjet is still a young, growing company with a good foothold in its market sector. There is plenty of time to change, plenty of opportunity to adapt, and still plenty of profit margin to act. All I'm asking is why taking a step forwards for the benefit of the crew (the majority of the workforce) should have to be such a massive issue for the CEO and Chief Pilot.
Your happy, good for you. I wish I had your fortitude. But don't begrudge the rest of us who are not, but are determined to stick it out, and try and make EZY a better place to work.
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There's nothing new in the 'ridden hard put away wet' stories from the poor long suffering Easy types but it's fascinating to learn that at 10 airlines (2 of them being national carriers) the prerequisites for employment do not include 'O' level English. Simply shocking.
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Your limited grasp of life is amazing but typical of english people, I speak 3 languages english being my third. As usual when english pilots run out of strenth with their arguments they start to pick on the language difficulties of others hey! Incidently I also have a degree in aeronautical engineering but it was'nt in english so i suppose that does'nt count either!
I don't mean to have a go at all English people just the one's with such small minds and apologise to the sensible ones amongst you of which I have met a few!
Slim20
You do have some good points just try to build on those and life will not seem as bad at easy, like I say there are worse jobs out there, this one shows potential to improve a lot depends on us as well. As you say I am pretty child out with my lot at easy but if something better comes along I sure I will consider it but right now there is nothing better! Don't be fooled by the bearded one!
Your limited grasp of life is amazing but typical of english people, I speak 3 languages english being my third. As usual when english pilots run out of strenth with their arguments they start to pick on the language difficulties of others hey! Incidently I also have a degree in aeronautical engineering but it was'nt in english so i suppose that does'nt count either!
I don't mean to have a go at all English people just the one's with such small minds and apologise to the sensible ones amongst you of which I have met a few!
Slim20
You do have some good points just try to build on those and life will not seem as bad at easy, like I say there are worse jobs out there, this one shows potential to improve a lot depends on us as well. As you say I am pretty child out with my lot at easy but if something better comes along I sure I will consider it but right now there is nothing better! Don't be fooled by the bearded one!
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Touche! 
Game, set and match for "unablereqnavperf".
Game, set and match for "unablereqnavperf".
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Right Way up,
Must admit you got me there. Will check my language in future but I can't resist having one more go at UNABLE.....
This guy seems to be very brainwashed to me or hoping to hop into management soon or is simply ignorant of the serious over use of crew (flight deck and cabin) by Easyjet or has suffered a lot of mishaps in his past jobs and just happy to be in any job or finally, he is located in one of those far out little easyjet bases and does not know or appreciate what it is really like working for easyjet.
HEALTH WARNING..... summer is approaching, a lot of leavers, every day crisis management soon to commence, a lot of crying little girls ( TEACHIN take note) used like donkeys ( keep on working, we'll tell you when to stop for water!)
Have a great summer !
Must admit you got me there. Will check my language in future but I can't resist having one more go at UNABLE.....
This guy seems to be very brainwashed to me or hoping to hop into management soon or is simply ignorant of the serious over use of crew (flight deck and cabin) by Easyjet or has suffered a lot of mishaps in his past jobs and just happy to be in any job or finally, he is located in one of those far out little easyjet bases and does not know or appreciate what it is really like working for easyjet.
HEALTH WARNING..... summer is approaching, a lot of leavers, every day crisis management soon to commence, a lot of crying little girls ( TEACHIN take note) used like donkeys ( keep on working, we'll tell you when to stop for water!)
Have a great summer !
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UNEASY-Point taken, I am going for my interview today for easyJet. I'll let you all know if I get it. Hope I don't have to do silly little tests building bridges out of paper.Rather discuss my experience with them as a Senior at previous airlines.
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Well it seems 16 years experience counts for nothing at easyJet recruitment. They placed too much emphasis on the maths test today and I was not asked through to the second stage. Funny how last June they offered me the job(I couldn't start when they wanted me to so I deferred and had to go through the whole process again). So last year I was good enough for them, today I wasn't. There is something fundamentally wrong with their selection process if one gets offered a job one time and this time not. Were the 16 years of experience discussed today? No...
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Dear Teachin...
sorry to hear that ..It's definetely annoying and confusing.
What is they're looking for??
Any chance to have an Idea of what sort of questions did they ask on the Maths test?
I mean we are pilots not engineers....
Thanks and good luck!
sorry to hear that ..It's definetely annoying and confusing.
What is they're looking for??
Any chance to have an Idea of what sort of questions did they ask on the Maths test?
I mean we are pilots not engineers....
Thanks and good luck!
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To be quite frank, I am not interested in pursuing it with easyJet recruitment. I was good enough last year to gain an offer of employment, this year not. Their loss...Matter is closed.
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2FLYEU - True, we are pilots and not engineers but I get the impression teachin is actually cabin staff not flight crew, talking about their experience as a senior elsewhere.
Quite frankly, how anyone can fail the maths test for c.c is beyond me.
Quite frankly, how anyone can fail the maths test for c.c is beyond me.
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How astute of you orangewing, not everyone who flies has an A level in maths, I thought it was all about interacting with people, but no, today I had to build a bridge out of paper, (as I predicted in a previous posting here),yes I am cabin crew, and have flown for Britannia, British Airways, British European, and European Aviation. I was briefly also at NOW before the debarkle. So if 5 airlines chose me to fly for them, then who has the rotten recruitment selection? So none of that experience counts for easyJet...To hell with them. their loss...
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Teachin:
The likely reason is that you turned them down last year, compounded by the fact that you went to a would-be competitor. They tend to take these things very personally and resentfully. You'll be happier working elsewhere.
The likely reason is that you turned them down last year, compounded by the fact that you went to a would-be competitor. They tend to take these things very personally and resentfully. You'll be happier working elsewhere.
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Whippersnapper,
Hadn't thought they'd be that shallow, but after today, nothing surprises me. The interviewers were rather young and childish. I'll let them get on with their paper modelling games. Thanks for your words of support. I appreciate that.
Hadn't thought they'd be that shallow, but after today, nothing surprises me. The interviewers were rather young and childish. I'll let them get on with their paper modelling games. Thanks for your words of support. I appreciate that.
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To get back to the original thread, the reason people keep leaving EZY is the fact that you can't keep the pace it up in the long term.
Sure, charter airlines have a though flying schedule as well in the summer but the winter is usually a lot more relaxed and therefore long term fatique is avoided.
I have not met any pilot, or cabin crew for that matter, who sees him or herself flying for EZY untill their retirement on a 6/3 roster.
The posts of guys who don't think the EZY lifestyle is not so bad, are most likely relative new hires. During my first 2 years with the company, I did not think it was so bad either. However, cumulative fatique has slowly crept up on me and I think that is the case for most crews after 3 or more years with EZY.
One base captain has been over heard saying how much he liked being in the office instead of flying 6 days in a row because....IT MADE HIM SO TIRED!!!!
Enough said....
Sure, charter airlines have a though flying schedule as well in the summer but the winter is usually a lot more relaxed and therefore long term fatique is avoided.
I have not met any pilot, or cabin crew for that matter, who sees him or herself flying for EZY untill their retirement on a 6/3 roster.
The posts of guys who don't think the EZY lifestyle is not so bad, are most likely relative new hires. During my first 2 years with the company, I did not think it was so bad either. However, cumulative fatique has slowly crept up on me and I think that is the case for most crews after 3 or more years with EZY.
One base captain has been over heard saying how much he liked being in the office instead of flying 6 days in a row because....IT MADE HIM SO TIRED!!!!
Enough said....
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Hi Teachin ( and others )
Well very sorry to hear you did not get through, like you say, it is there loss....
I work for EJ as cabin crew and have done now for over a year. I do enjoy it, it is hard work and very knackering. The people make the job for me, mainly crew and SOME flight deck, i use the word some because i operated a flight the other day, where the crew were all males, makes a change and the flight deck were two males as well.
The FD were very narky with us for the whole day, i asked my other crew colleagues what is up with them? the repky was , there are no women on board who will flirt with them and vice versa, well i am shocked, so us crew get a hard time, we did our job to a very high standard and please all our passengers to a level BA would accept. We also had excellent takings on the bars we did for the whole 4 sectors, this was a 12 hour day, so pretty long and to be ignored from FD who acted like spolit little brats for the whole day.
Not all FD are like this, most are really nice and very warm people, but when you have FD like this, it is a nitemare.
Easyjet is a good company to work for, there pay is good, staff travel is another issue, but hopefully some time this year this will be sorted out. Nice ish Uniform, nice crew.
Teachin when i was interviewed , the people who did this was about 20 yrs old, i don't think they had started puberty to be honest. Please , Please try again, we all have knock backs and reapply again and show them, you will get there. If not whatever you choose i do wish you all the best for the future
Mike
Well very sorry to hear you did not get through, like you say, it is there loss....
I work for EJ as cabin crew and have done now for over a year. I do enjoy it, it is hard work and very knackering. The people make the job for me, mainly crew and SOME flight deck, i use the word some because i operated a flight the other day, where the crew were all males, makes a change and the flight deck were two males as well.
The FD were very narky with us for the whole day, i asked my other crew colleagues what is up with them? the repky was , there are no women on board who will flirt with them and vice versa, well i am shocked, so us crew get a hard time, we did our job to a very high standard and please all our passengers to a level BA would accept. We also had excellent takings on the bars we did for the whole 4 sectors, this was a 12 hour day, so pretty long and to be ignored from FD who acted like spolit little brats for the whole day.
Not all FD are like this, most are really nice and very warm people, but when you have FD like this, it is a nitemare.
Easyjet is a good company to work for, there pay is good, staff travel is another issue, but hopefully some time this year this will be sorted out. Nice ish Uniform, nice crew.
Teachin when i was interviewed , the people who did this was about 20 yrs old, i don't think they had started puberty to be honest. Please , Please try again, we all have knock backs and reapply again and show them, you will get there. If not whatever you choose i do wish you all the best for the future
Mike