People Leaving Ezy For Greener Pastures.
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I have worked now for Easy for almost a year and am actually quite happy. Most people have treated me fairly and rostering/crewing have always been very accomodating.
As far as staff travel, I understand the frustration. From past experience though with BA concessions, the problem with standby passengers is the problem of picking up delays. Many times I have seen late departures because of staff being issued boarding passes at the very last minute. Then you have to wait for them to sit down and often wait for their rush bags to be loaded. Of course, if you have on top of that only 20-25 min turn arounds this could lead to delays and overstressed ground staff. I am sure that Easy can eventually set up some sort of standby system that avoids all of the above, but it will take time to develop and fine tune it as to smoothly fit in with the operations.
As far as staff travel, I understand the frustration. From past experience though with BA concessions, the problem with standby passengers is the problem of picking up delays. Many times I have seen late departures because of staff being issued boarding passes at the very last minute. Then you have to wait for them to sit down and often wait for their rush bags to be loaded. Of course, if you have on top of that only 20-25 min turn arounds this could lead to delays and overstressed ground staff. I am sure that Easy can eventually set up some sort of standby system that avoids all of the above, but it will take time to develop and fine tune it as to smoothly fit in with the operations.
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Lots of guys waiting for start dates I hear, particularly from Emirates/Virgin. Most people I speak to want to try longhaul while they are still young enough / not in the LHS money trap / for a better lifestyle (some LHS guys are going anyway!) Main problem is that just about everyone will tell you they can't work for the rest of their career at the present 6 on 3 off pace (i.e. not really 3 off!) If they sort that out many will stay, if not many more will go so I hope it happens and in defence of the company, efforts are being made - we will see.......
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Efforts are indeed being made, Mactom, but with no credit to the company for this! Only constant pressure and feedback from the Balpa CC and the pilot community is causing the company to realise they have put their foot in it by their intransigence on crew lifestyle.
However, I would admit that ultimately it is the considerable number of pilots voting with their feet which is causing the company to finally address the issue rather than the feedback and pressure, which has been falling on deaf ears for the past 18 months.
We are all hoping that good sense will prevail and lifestyle issues will be comprehensively addressed otherwise there may be more than just a steady trickle of people leaving for the reasons you have clearly described.
However, I would admit that ultimately it is the considerable number of pilots voting with their feet which is causing the company to finally address the issue rather than the feedback and pressure, which has been falling on deaf ears for the past 18 months.
We are all hoping that good sense will prevail and lifestyle issues will be comprehensively addressed otherwise there may be more than just a steady trickle of people leaving for the reasons you have clearly described.
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I heard new-hire classes at Virgin are filled up with EZY pilots at least until June this year.
Probably more to follow with Virgin's expansion plans.
I wonder why? Is maybe the lifestyle at EZY the cause?
Probably more to follow with Virgin's expansion plans.
I wonder why? Is maybe the lifestyle at EZY the cause?
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Welsh Wonder,
I for one actually believed the story I was hearing from easyjet. The people I new who had just joined where all pleased and I was told the money was great. What I have seen is very different. It is not the flight hours that is tiring it is how and when and where you are doing them. The pay is not so great when you start, as you will now be TRSS or if you already have plenty of jet time just 90% salary for 6 months without sector pay during training. Command is not so quick dispite what they say at interview........you will be jumping through all the hoops and with plenty of command time that can be frustrating. I will be leaving at the first opertunity and I am not just saying this to try and scare new recruits or even management. I really did not realise that this job could make me so tired that I am just unable to enjoy my family or see my friends. I want my life back so I will be off. I have just read through what I have writen and I sound like a spoilt whining brat........I didn't use to be.
I for one actually believed the story I was hearing from easyjet. The people I new who had just joined where all pleased and I was told the money was great. What I have seen is very different. It is not the flight hours that is tiring it is how and when and where you are doing them. The pay is not so great when you start, as you will now be TRSS or if you already have plenty of jet time just 90% salary for 6 months without sector pay during training. Command is not so quick dispite what they say at interview........you will be jumping through all the hoops and with plenty of command time that can be frustrating. I will be leaving at the first opertunity and I am not just saying this to try and scare new recruits or even management. I really did not realise that this job could make me so tired that I am just unable to enjoy my family or see my friends. I want my life back so I will be off. I have just read through what I have writen and I sound like a spoilt whining brat........I didn't use to be.
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Serves them right.
We will now see who the companies are who have and have not looked after their employees interests.
The previous pilot short of any significance, was in the late 1970s. Hopefully this is the beginning of another surplus of jobs.
We will now see who the companies are who have and have not looked after their employees interests.
The previous pilot short of any significance, was in the late 1970s. Hopefully this is the beginning of another surplus of jobs.
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The sad thing is EAC and SAS shedding so many crew - sad not only for those companies and individuals, but also sad for the rest of the industry as EZY will probably be able to recruit many of them, and thus feel vindicated in their dire treatment of crews. I can't see them changing their ways soon (far too arrogant for that), and they'll continue to debase and devalue aviation professionals for some time to come.
I'd just like to add that I REALLY pity the engineers, as they seemed to get the worst shaftings of all.
I'd just like to add that I REALLY pity the engineers, as they seemed to get the worst shaftings of all.
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We all have bills to pay & therefore market forces will prevail, after all we are in JET JOBS that many are dying to fill. The company will eventually learn from its mistakes, but not before we as flight deck are required to fill the gaps that have been the direct result of management not addressing the problems at the heart of the problem (6 & 3 rostering to the legal, but unsafe limit ) when people leave for "greener pastures"
FACT - My next 6 DAYS consist of:
28 sectors
54 duty hours
37 FLYING HOURS
UNDER CAA ie LAW - PERFECTLY LEGAL & THEREFORE BY DEFINITION SAFE !!!!
FACT - My next 6 DAYS consist of:
28 sectors
54 duty hours
37 FLYING HOURS
UNDER CAA ie LAW - PERFECTLY LEGAL & THEREFORE BY DEFINITION SAFE !!!!
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Thought I would jump into this to provide a little more balance.
There are literally hundreds of frozen ATPLs looking for a first jet job, who are willing to pay for the TR. This figure now includes people from Canada, down under, E Europe and W Europe, because all the wannabes globally know this is where the jobs are now.
And all these people will gladly work whatever hours are thrown at them to get a first job - moreso on jets. Some of these people come from backgrounds where they were already working 12+ hour days, or shift work, with similar pay but not getting to fly. So they wont mind the hours.
I know of several "friends of friends" that are paying a whopping EUR35k for 250hrs line training in E Europe or Asia because they cant get a first job (they cannot all be muppets). ESY could actually get several newbie pilots PER MONTH who are willing to PAY TO WORK these hours. I am not joking.
At ESYs open day yesterday, James Miller (Pilot Recruitment) said that people attending would have their online application "looked at", implying he had so many applications it was not possible to look at all of them.
In summary, ESY will have no problems finding 300 (non-muppet) FOs, despite the hours/lack of perks. The issue is getting them all trained in time.....
There are literally hundreds of frozen ATPLs looking for a first jet job, who are willing to pay for the TR. This figure now includes people from Canada, down under, E Europe and W Europe, because all the wannabes globally know this is where the jobs are now.
And all these people will gladly work whatever hours are thrown at them to get a first job - moreso on jets. Some of these people come from backgrounds where they were already working 12+ hour days, or shift work, with similar pay but not getting to fly. So they wont mind the hours.
I know of several "friends of friends" that are paying a whopping EUR35k for 250hrs line training in E Europe or Asia because they cant get a first job (they cannot all be muppets). ESY could actually get several newbie pilots PER MONTH who are willing to PAY TO WORK these hours. I am not joking.
At ESYs open day yesterday, James Miller (Pilot Recruitment) said that people attending would have their online application "looked at", implying he had so many applications it was not possible to look at all of them.
In summary, ESY will have no problems finding 300 (non-muppet) FOs, despite the hours/lack of perks. The issue is getting them all trained in time.....
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As an easyjet pilot I thought I would also like to provide a little balance to this thread! I'm getting a little board with all this faceless slagging of easyjet.
I've been here just over 3 years and have been very critical of the management and very vocal but not on this forum i've voiced my concerns directly at the management and finally i do believe things are changing for the better although it is a slow process and things are not perfect I do believe the future is indeed orange!
A lot of the incompetant managers have moved or been moved on since the departure of Stellios, people are now given jobs based on ability rather than loyalty, experienced people are now being recruited into positions and the differance is noticeable.
The new chief pilot is making a good start at improving communication to the pilots, and making small and good changes to SOP's.
Rostering is still a problem area but even that is improving very slowly and i believe the long term propect is for continueing improvments, although as pilots we are a difficult group to satisfy completely!
Most of the people I fly with are reasonably happy with their lot although we would all like to see things improve further!
Pay cheque's are always on time and mostly correct which over the last few years is a rare event in aviation! Job security is good too!
Would I as one person wrote "run into the waiting arms of Virgin Atlantic " definatly not been there to find out that the waiting arms are only there to catch you ready to be drop kick into touch a the first hint of trouble! If you need proof i've still got the bruises on my arse to prove it!
So for those of you who like to slagg us of i recomend you apply elsewhere and for those of you in easyjet that are unhappy feel free to leave because those of us that are happy here are getting sick of you!!!
And before you start I'm not management just an ordinary line Captain sick of listening to you cry!!!
I've been here just over 3 years and have been very critical of the management and very vocal but not on this forum i've voiced my concerns directly at the management and finally i do believe things are changing for the better although it is a slow process and things are not perfect I do believe the future is indeed orange!
A lot of the incompetant managers have moved or been moved on since the departure of Stellios, people are now given jobs based on ability rather than loyalty, experienced people are now being recruited into positions and the differance is noticeable.
The new chief pilot is making a good start at improving communication to the pilots, and making small and good changes to SOP's.
Rostering is still a problem area but even that is improving very slowly and i believe the long term propect is for continueing improvments, although as pilots we are a difficult group to satisfy completely!
Most of the people I fly with are reasonably happy with their lot although we would all like to see things improve further!
Pay cheque's are always on time and mostly correct which over the last few years is a rare event in aviation! Job security is good too!
Would I as one person wrote "run into the waiting arms of Virgin Atlantic " definatly not been there to find out that the waiting arms are only there to catch you ready to be drop kick into touch a the first hint of trouble! If you need proof i've still got the bruises on my arse to prove it!
So for those of you who like to slagg us of i recomend you apply elsewhere and for those of you in easyjet that are unhappy feel free to leave because those of us that are happy here are getting sick of you!!!
And before you start I'm not management just an ordinary line Captain sick of listening to you cry!!!
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As an ex- Easyjet pilot I too would like to add a little balance to this thread.
Easyjets work patterns are FATIGUING.
Leaving them was the best move I ever made.
Their arrogance is only outdone by their ignorance.
P.S. Empire builders and yes men ignore the above as it is definitely the place for you. Ability to say YES repeatedly a mandatory requirement, along with a knack for talking for hours using the word 'facilitate'and phrases like ' flag it up' that leaves line pilots wondering what he actually asked the guy in the first place.
With one or two exceptions as always. Hi Jack!!
Easyjets work patterns are FATIGUING.
Leaving them was the best move I ever made.
Their arrogance is only outdone by their ignorance.
P.S. Empire builders and yes men ignore the above as it is definitely the place for you. Ability to say YES repeatedly a mandatory requirement, along with a knack for talking for hours using the word 'facilitate'and phrases like ' flag it up' that leaves line pilots wondering what he actually asked the guy in the first place.
With one or two exceptions as always. Hi Jack!!
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unablereqnavperf,
I find you unbelievable,
you are definitely not good for this profession.
I too am a pilot at Easy and I think you are talking rubbish.
YOU MAKE ME VERY UNEASY.
WHAT CLASS PILOT ARE YOU ANY WAY? enough said!
I find you unbelievable,
you are definitely not good for this profession.
I too am a pilot at Easy and I think you are talking rubbish.
YOU MAKE ME VERY UNEASY.
WHAT CLASS PILOT ARE YOU ANY WAY? enough said!
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Seems to me "unablereq"... made some valid informed points, he sees the bad points there and good points...I've read his post with interest as I have a cabin crew interview soon coming up, and it gives me an insight into how the company runs and treats its staff....
UNEASY
"SLIM20,
Your attitude stinks by your unchecked attack on easyprison.
The man is entitled to his opinion and right to to persuade others to his leaning."
You may want to reword your last post.
"SLIM20,
Your attitude stinks by your unchecked attack on easyprison.
The man is entitled to his opinion and right to to persuade others to his leaning."
You may want to reword your last post.