People Leaving Ezy For Greener Pastures.
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I cannot understand why people sign on the dotted line and then moan about the contract afterwards, in any industry!
If you don't like a company then leave or don't join in the first place no one would miss someone who is moaning continuously and making a busy job harder. Just cause the company name is easy doesnt mean the work will be!
p in s
If you don't like a company then leave or don't join in the first place no one would miss someone who is moaning continuously and making a busy job harder. Just cause the company name is easy doesnt mean the work will be!
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Unable, you said...
Have a GOOD think about this week, so far:
Day 1: 0600 - 1300 (alarm at 0430)
Day 2: 0510 - 1230 (alarm at 0340)
Day 3: 0600 - 1530 (alarm at 0430)
I got home at 1615 and slept from 1700 to 0530 (!)
Day 4: 1500 - 0130 (slept 0230 to 0830)
Bear in mind your body will fall asleep at 1800 or so. How do you feel like doing a very tricky approach onto a very short r/w at 0100? After 8.5 hours awake and then 10 hours work, including 2 aircraft swaps?
Day 5: 1330 - .... ?
I don't believe that anyone can do this without feeling tired. I'm no moaner, I love hard work, I like eJ and its people, but I'm absolutely totally and utterly shattered.
The last thing you have to worry about is getting tired
Day 1: 0600 - 1300 (alarm at 0430)
Day 2: 0510 - 1230 (alarm at 0340)
Day 3: 0600 - 1530 (alarm at 0430)
I got home at 1615 and slept from 1700 to 0530 (!)
Day 4: 1500 - 0130 (slept 0230 to 0830)
Bear in mind your body will fall asleep at 1800 or so. How do you feel like doing a very tricky approach onto a very short r/w at 0100? After 8.5 hours awake and then 10 hours work, including 2 aircraft swaps?
Day 5: 1330 - .... ?
I don't believe that anyone can do this without feeling tired. I'm no moaner, I love hard work, I like eJ and its people, but I'm absolutely totally and utterly shattered.
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I have a question for the regular EZy bashers.......
Why (instead of becoming bitter and venomous) don't you just leave easyJet? I never understand. The amount of night-stops I've been on with bitter crew is breath-taking! I always have been of the opinion that if I was unhappy at easyJet I would do the responsible thing and leave - not moan/groan and post anti-easyJet drivel
Why (instead of becoming bitter and venomous) don't you just leave easyJet? I never understand. The amount of night-stops I've been on with bitter crew is breath-taking! I always have been of the opinion that if I was unhappy at easyJet I would do the responsible thing and leave - not moan/groan and post anti-easyJet drivel
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I think you might find that the so-called easyJet bashers actually do really care about their company and want this airline to become a career airline not just a stepping stone for jet time, a quick command and 1000 hrs in the left seat. 
It would only take some minor adjustments from management to make our rosters a lot more bearable.
(A 5/3 roster for example).
Sure, guys in their early twenties don't mind the havoc caused on the body clock every week, they might do the same thing by going out untill 2, 3 am in the weekends...
However, for the more seasoned guys like myself with children, this type of flying/sleeping/flying/sleeping etc on 6/3 really causes long term fatique.
Why was the thread "Tired budget jet pilots 'endanger passengers' " 13 pages long? (Last post on the 3rd of March) This cannot just simply be because people want to moan, there is a genuine concern that the life style has to improve.
With regards to signing on the dotted line......when I joined I was told: We don't do night flying at easyJet which will be a nice change from your present charter airline (....)
Please guys, you may like not the complaints raised here but you are not obliged to read them. This is an open forum. I do care about the airline and I want it to become a place where I can stay untill retirement.
Is that not worth airing my heartfelt views in hopes that someone sensible in management might be stirred to some positive change?
The suggestion about leaving if you don't like it is a difficult one if this means giving up the left seat, giving up your preferred base near your home etc, etc.
Ther are obviously a good number of guys who enjoy it right now but I would still like easyJet to be enjoyable 10 years from now. If we stay on this horrible 6/3 roster I can't see how many of will still enjoy it or simply will have left for more liveable pastures 10 years down the road.
Why are none of the Ryanair, JetBlue or SouthWest pilots airing their complaints on this forum? Is it maybe that these guys are having a life besides flying?
It would only take some minor adjustments from management to make our rosters a lot more bearable.
(A 5/3 roster for example).
Sure, guys in their early twenties don't mind the havoc caused on the body clock every week, they might do the same thing by going out untill 2, 3 am in the weekends...
However, for the more seasoned guys like myself with children, this type of flying/sleeping/flying/sleeping etc on 6/3 really causes long term fatique.
Why was the thread "Tired budget jet pilots 'endanger passengers' " 13 pages long? (Last post on the 3rd of March) This cannot just simply be because people want to moan, there is a genuine concern that the life style has to improve.
With regards to signing on the dotted line......when I joined I was told: We don't do night flying at easyJet which will be a nice change from your present charter airline (....)
Please guys, you may like not the complaints raised here but you are not obliged to read them. This is an open forum. I do care about the airline and I want it to become a place where I can stay untill retirement.
Is that not worth airing my heartfelt views in hopes that someone sensible in management might be stirred to some positive change?
The suggestion about leaving if you don't like it is a difficult one if this means giving up the left seat, giving up your preferred base near your home etc, etc.
Ther are obviously a good number of guys who enjoy it right now but I would still like easyJet to be enjoyable 10 years from now. If we stay on this horrible 6/3 roster I can't see how many of will still enjoy it or simply will have left for more liveable pastures 10 years down the road.
Why are none of the Ryanair, JetBlue or SouthWest pilots airing their complaints on this forum? Is it maybe that these guys are having a life besides flying?
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Welsh,
I, and nearly everyone I know, really enjoys eJ. It is a good company to work for. But I reckon it's a little like buying a new Porsche, but the speedo doesn't work. Whatever you do you can't get it fixed. And so people focus on it....
There appear to be a diversity of opinions here, because the job varies by base, and by seat. Some have lots of 6 sector days, other long 4 sector days. Captains are being moved all over the country in some bases and F/Os don't get enough flying in others. My post above was just to highlight that 3 earlies then 3 lates (as we all know) can be very tiring.
And so crews think "if only they could just fix xxx".... Which has to be a good sign really, doesn't it?
FL1,
Luckily, it was the active runway.
(But you had me thinking.... no, nobody complained at the time...)
I, and nearly everyone I know, really enjoys eJ. It is a good company to work for. But I reckon it's a little like buying a new Porsche, but the speedo doesn't work. Whatever you do you can't get it fixed. And so people focus on it....
There appear to be a diversity of opinions here, because the job varies by base, and by seat. Some have lots of 6 sector days, other long 4 sector days. Captains are being moved all over the country in some bases and F/Os don't get enough flying in others. My post above was just to highlight that 3 earlies then 3 lates (as we all know) can be very tiring.
And so crews think "if only they could just fix xxx".... Which has to be a good sign really, doesn't it?
FL1,
Luckily, it was the active runway.
(But you had me thinking.... no, nobody complained at the time...)
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I didn't mean that we don't get tired at easy, i was merely saying that at 23 wanabe7 should have more than enough stamina to cope with it, its just old farts like me that struggle a little at times.
Although I'm told that the Airbus guys don't seem to get as tired due to a more comfortable enviroment and quiter cockpit.
I do agree that the 6/3 roster is a bit much at times but that seems to depend a lot on where you are based, LGW rosters don't seem as bad as some of the other bases and I believe BRS is not to bad either.
I didn't mean that we don't get tired at easy, i was merely saying that at 23 wanabe7 should have more than enough stamina to cope with it, its just old farts like me that struggle a little at times.
Although I'm told that the Airbus guys don't seem to get as tired due to a more comfortable enviroment and quiter cockpit.
I do agree that the 6/3 roster is a bit much at times but that seems to depend a lot on where you are based, LGW rosters don't seem as bad as some of the other bases and I believe BRS is not to bad either.
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Unable,
Ahh!! And yes, at my base the 6 sector days when combined with the 6/3 pattern do make for fatigue. I'm a great believer in giving workers short breaks - but our very short cruise times and the quick turnrounds erode quickly into your energy levels... Non-stop all day!
Stu
PS And I'm a middle aged fart and I feel the strain...
Ahh!! And yes, at my base the 6 sector days when combined with the 6/3 pattern do make for fatigue. I'm a great believer in giving workers short breaks - but our very short cruise times and the quick turnrounds erode quickly into your energy levels... Non-stop all day!
Stu
PS And I'm a middle aged fart and I feel the strain...
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50 above, ye of little faith!!! The pay review will NOT be 3 months late this year,it has been completed on schedule after some very tough negotiating, and will be voted on by the CC on Monday 5th, then released for a ballot vote by members after that. It will be paid in Aprils pay. As for rostering, see the Balpa board for details of progress made!It will be a very exciting week.
Regards,
Klink.
CC Chairman.
Regards,
Klink.
CC Chairman.
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Be aware there are 2 very separate issues here.
1. Pay and benefits: to be hopefully concluded and announced this week (ready for a vote).
2. Rostering: being dealt with completely separately (as it has been for over a year) where discussions and debate still continue and MAY (repeat MAY!) lead to an announcement of some sort very soon.
Meetings take place this week and annoucements will be made via the Balpa Bulletin Board.
Without Balpa, neither of these announcements would even be pending.
1. Pay and benefits: to be hopefully concluded and announced this week (ready for a vote).
2. Rostering: being dealt with completely separately (as it has been for over a year) where discussions and debate still continue and MAY (repeat MAY!) lead to an announcement of some sort very soon.
Meetings take place this week and annoucements will be made via the Balpa Bulletin Board.
Without Balpa, neither of these announcements would even be pending.
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Any EMA based easyjet guys, be grateful if u could answer my question
I'm going for assessment shortly for direct entry, and given that this would be my preferred base what sort of workload may I expect as an F/O?
I'm going for assessment shortly for direct entry, and given that this would be my preferred base what sort of workload may I expect as an F/O?
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Hi there!
I will join easyJet this summer.
Since I´m german SXF will be my primary base choice.
At the moment I´m a member of germany´s pilot association. I believe strongly in the necessity of such an organisation and therefore I´m thinking about joining BALPA once I have started.
Could anyone give me a link to their website ?
How high are their membership fees ?
Thanks for your help and greetings to my future colleagues....
I will join easyJet this summer.
Since I´m german SXF will be my primary base choice.
At the moment I´m a member of germany´s pilot association. I believe strongly in the necessity of such an organisation and therefore I´m thinking about joining BALPA once I have started.
Could anyone give me a link to their website ?
How high are their membership fees ?
Thanks for your help and greetings to my future colleagues....
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given rate :
http://www.balpa.org/intranet/Join-BALPA/index.htm
gives you all the info you need
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http://www.balpa.org/intranet/Join-BALPA/index.htm
gives you all the info you need
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Some nice vociferous debate going on here - very good to vent your spleen on one another, isn't it?
Just another job at the end of the day - I think the EZY roster could be better as we all generally agree, and duties could be more fairly shared among all the pilots at each base. As that is the main gripe amongst the brothers it suggests that otherwise life at EZY is as good as anywhere else (This is true.) To call those of us who aren't prepared to accept work and sleep as a viable lifestyle "halfwits" and "fools" (thanks unablereqnavperf) is deeply insulting and goes way beyond what our moderate attitude suggests.
Welsh Wonder says:
Excellent logic WW. Got any suggestions to make for someone like me, based near where I live with kids at school and a mortgage dependent on my not inconsiderable salary at EZY?
There's a very wide spectrum between "happy" and "unhappy" - I think that unablereqnavperf, outofsynch and welsh wonder need to remember that before suggesting that those of us NOT deliriously happy with our lot at easyjet are educationally subnormal depressives, or agent-provocateurs trying to drag the whole company down into our abyss of black despair - we are voicing our concerns, and committed to changing things for the better, so that ALL OF US may benefit.
Besides, moaning is therapeutic, and endemic in our profession, so live with it!
Just another job at the end of the day - I think the EZY roster could be better as we all generally agree, and duties could be more fairly shared among all the pilots at each base. As that is the main gripe amongst the brothers it suggests that otherwise life at EZY is as good as anywhere else (This is true.) To call those of us who aren't prepared to accept work and sleep as a viable lifestyle "halfwits" and "fools" (thanks unablereqnavperf) is deeply insulting and goes way beyond what our moderate attitude suggests.
Welsh Wonder says:
I always have been of the opinion that if I was unhappy at easyJet I would do the responsible thing and leave - not moan/groan and post anti-easyJet drivel
There's a very wide spectrum between "happy" and "unhappy" - I think that unablereqnavperf, outofsynch and welsh wonder need to remember that before suggesting that those of us NOT deliriously happy with our lot at easyjet are educationally subnormal depressives, or agent-provocateurs trying to drag the whole company down into our abyss of black despair - we are voicing our concerns, and committed to changing things for the better, so that ALL OF US may benefit.
Besides, moaning is therapeutic, and endemic in our profession, so live with it!
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YES!
They are separate issues completely. Pay has nothing whatsoever to do with fatigue.
You can't buy back tiredness under any circumstances.
We need to keep a clear dividing line so that voting is unambiguous.
YES!
They are separate issues completely. Pay has nothing whatsoever to do with fatigue.
You can't buy back tiredness under any circumstances.
We need to keep a clear dividing line so that voting is unambiguous.