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After all the dribble on this thread only one person seems to KNOW what the iCadetship is all about. Em777ER, you have really done your homework. And why may I ask? Because this guy/girl KNOWS what it's like to work hard to achieve the goals he or she has set. He (for argument's sake) knows the value of hard work and doesn't want to see a life affecting decision to be made on childish pipedreams that are irrelevant to the REAL WORLD and REAL CONDITIONS that you are willing to agree to - even though you other kids know NOTHING of the REAL LONG TERM FACTS you so ignorantly defend and yet still post the most idiotic questions here or statements about your future and options.
Yet still there are those of you out there astonished at the salary you'll receive after 10+ years, and even up to that as Capt under this package. How the hell do have the audacity to apply, let alone defend the decision you have made for this iCadet program? You have done NO lengthy assessments but for short term "free training", so you see it. How ignorant can some of you really be? Don't answer, the proof is in such posts from the likes of blacklabel & company.
So, you think you can leave CX after 2-3000 hrs on a 777/744/330/340? So how did you in all your wisdom come up with this bright idea? How many hours will you ACTUALLY be legally able to log with a P2X rating for perhaps 5-6 years? Then as JFO/FO, perhaps 800 hrs a year.... And then what? Have you looked at the min requirements for many contract jobs or are you "guessing" that you can just walk into a job with ZERO PIC hours but from the flying school? You'll be LAUGHED AT for even applying. No airlines outside the CAD / CX umbrella recognise hours under a P2X rating (as it is not a "real" or recognised rating away from the CAD) nor do they recognise time in the bunk: only "seat time".
Go to a "legacy carrier"? And offer them what? Again a P2X rating for 6 years, perhaps RHS time without an ATP/ATPL or any PIC hours? Keep dreaming that dream cause that's as close as you'll get.
But of course, you all knew about this as you've done your research, eh? Or are you just shooting off ideas without ANY idea of the REAL WORLD of airline operations, needs and demands?
After 6 years as SO on a P2X rating a guy flying an average of only 600 hours per year (very low figure, but worst case scenario!) in GA with 3600 of which 2000 are as PIC on singles and light twins and perhaps 1600 hrs as FO on a turbo prop will be FAR, FAR ahead of ANY of you when competing for a job. Because your P2X hours ARE NOT RECOGNISED!!!!! You will still be at least another 3 or 4 years away from holding an ATPL which again prevents you from going anywhere when an ATP/ATPL is a requirement!!!!!!
So one day if you finally discover that those of us who did turn down the offer did actually know what we were talking about and now you want to leave HK and CX, you are stuck and at best 6 years behind those of similar age. Put you in a sim vs the GA guy and the results would be chalk and cheese on basic attitude flying skills, let alone an NDB approach with x-wind.
How stupid and naive and ignorant can you kids be thinking time as SO makes you a better FO or Capt as opposed a single pilot PIC making all the decisions for him/herself, as very well put in an earlier post.
You kids are fast making a laughing stock out of yourselves due to the complete and utter naivety of the questions and opinions you post here. But for a few like EM777ER most have no idea of the facts. At least this person has done lengthy research and privately sought the opinions of those with experience.
Evidence from this forum overwhelming points to the vast majority of you knowing little to nothing of the real long term facts.
Passion and ambition without knowledge & solid direction are USELESS.
Yet still there are those of you out there astonished at the salary you'll receive after 10+ years, and even up to that as Capt under this package. How the hell do have the audacity to apply, let alone defend the decision you have made for this iCadet program? You have done NO lengthy assessments but for short term "free training", so you see it. How ignorant can some of you really be? Don't answer, the proof is in such posts from the likes of blacklabel & company.
So, you think you can leave CX after 2-3000 hrs on a 777/744/330/340? So how did you in all your wisdom come up with this bright idea? How many hours will you ACTUALLY be legally able to log with a P2X rating for perhaps 5-6 years? Then as JFO/FO, perhaps 800 hrs a year.... And then what? Have you looked at the min requirements for many contract jobs or are you "guessing" that you can just walk into a job with ZERO PIC hours but from the flying school? You'll be LAUGHED AT for even applying. No airlines outside the CAD / CX umbrella recognise hours under a P2X rating (as it is not a "real" or recognised rating away from the CAD) nor do they recognise time in the bunk: only "seat time".
Go to a "legacy carrier"? And offer them what? Again a P2X rating for 6 years, perhaps RHS time without an ATP/ATPL or any PIC hours? Keep dreaming that dream cause that's as close as you'll get.
But of course, you all knew about this as you've done your research, eh? Or are you just shooting off ideas without ANY idea of the REAL WORLD of airline operations, needs and demands?
After 6 years as SO on a P2X rating a guy flying an average of only 600 hours per year (very low figure, but worst case scenario!) in GA with 3600 of which 2000 are as PIC on singles and light twins and perhaps 1600 hrs as FO on a turbo prop will be FAR, FAR ahead of ANY of you when competing for a job. Because your P2X hours ARE NOT RECOGNISED!!!!! You will still be at least another 3 or 4 years away from holding an ATPL which again prevents you from going anywhere when an ATP/ATPL is a requirement!!!!!!
So one day if you finally discover that those of us who did turn down the offer did actually know what we were talking about and now you want to leave HK and CX, you are stuck and at best 6 years behind those of similar age. Put you in a sim vs the GA guy and the results would be chalk and cheese on basic attitude flying skills, let alone an NDB approach with x-wind.
How stupid and naive and ignorant can you kids be thinking time as SO makes you a better FO or Capt as opposed a single pilot PIC making all the decisions for him/herself, as very well put in an earlier post.
You kids are fast making a laughing stock out of yourselves due to the complete and utter naivety of the questions and opinions you post here. But for a few like EM777ER most have no idea of the facts. At least this person has done lengthy research and privately sought the opinions of those with experience.
Evidence from this forum overwhelming points to the vast majority of you knowing little to nothing of the real long term facts.
Passion and ambition without knowledge & solid direction are USELESS.
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And i think 6 yrs without touching the commands could be frustrating, if you really like flying.
Today i knew 2 guys which refused the CX's offer, and initially i got astonished
, but now i can understand them. I wont apply too. And i hope other people will do the same. There could be great passion and love for flying, but i think dignity comes first.
, but now i can understand them. I wont apply too. And i hope other people will do the same. There could be great passion and love for flying, but i think dignity comes first.
this guy/girl
Evidence from this forum overwhelming points to the vast majority of you knowing little to nothing of the real long term facts.
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did you pass flight grading last year?, did you get offered the cadet program?.... why the personal attacks? these guys have offered nothing but great advice, and if you don't agree with them that's no reason to insult them! you're entitled to your own opinion (even if you're wrong), but enforcing it on others by insulting them... such a professional demeanour you have... in fact, i think that an internet troll is someone who goes out their way to find a picture about them self on the net and have the audacity to post it on a public forum... you're defeating the purpose of pprunes anonymity.
go get a haircut while you're at it.
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My "curriculum" or my "curriculum vitae" (commonly known as a "CV") since these are two different things entirely?? I must ask as judging from your previous posts your grasp of written English seems as alien to you as a "spine", "integrity" or "logical comprehension of facts".
But since you ask and as expected from your ignorant and laziness to check my previous posts and background, just like the "passion" & "dedication" you show toward your research into becoming a CX (iCadet) pilot:
- A guy who worked his arse off paying for his own training and in debt drove as far as needed when and however necessary to land a job in GA;
- A guy who worked his arse off to go from one aircraft to another including single pilot night freight in multi engined aircraft for 4000+ hrs before EARNING the right to be invited to CX for an interview and then locked himself away for 3 months to study, study, study, study while holding down a full time job flying;
- A guy who interviewed for CX over 3 years ago and turned the iCadet / SO offer down twice recently as I know and value what I am worth as well as what saying "yes" would do to the industry and potential long term conditions at CX;
- An FO on a widebody with more IF hours than you have total time, more NDB and night circling approaches than you've had wet dreams; more 8 and 10 sector duties in the top end of Oz in the wet season, cyclonic conditions, icing and dust storms than you've hours watching Top Gun, and more take offs and landings in weather you are not permitted to fly in as day VFR circuit instructor with zero other commercial experience;
- 2 x tertiary credentials in Aviation that counts more than blindly regurgitating Trevor Thom's BAK;
- A guy who is not racist as you have shown yourself to be in a recent post;
- A guy who respects seniority and those who have earned my respect by position and to whom I listen and still take humble advice from instead of calling them "dorks".
So basically a no one from no-where, and one whom has NOTHING in common with the likes of a bigoted, cheap, naive, angry and nasty infantile sell-out like yourself.
That's all.
Em77ER: again mate, well done for the effort and integrity you've shown to your study, yourself and the preparation prior to blindly accepting this iCadet sham.
My "curriculum" or my "curriculum vitae" (commonly known as a "CV") since these are two different things entirely?? I must ask as judging from your previous posts your grasp of written English seems as alien to you as a "spine", "integrity" or "logical comprehension of facts".
But since you ask and as expected from your ignorant and laziness to check my previous posts and background, just like the "passion" & "dedication" you show toward your research into becoming a CX (iCadet) pilot:
- A guy who worked his arse off paying for his own training and in debt drove as far as needed when and however necessary to land a job in GA;
- A guy who worked his arse off to go from one aircraft to another including single pilot night freight in multi engined aircraft for 4000+ hrs before EARNING the right to be invited to CX for an interview and then locked himself away for 3 months to study, study, study, study while holding down a full time job flying;
- A guy who interviewed for CX over 3 years ago and turned the iCadet / SO offer down twice recently as I know and value what I am worth as well as what saying "yes" would do to the industry and potential long term conditions at CX;
- An FO on a widebody with more IF hours than you have total time, more NDB and night circling approaches than you've had wet dreams; more 8 and 10 sector duties in the top end of Oz in the wet season, cyclonic conditions, icing and dust storms than you've hours watching Top Gun, and more take offs and landings in weather you are not permitted to fly in as day VFR circuit instructor with zero other commercial experience;
- 2 x tertiary credentials in Aviation that counts more than blindly regurgitating Trevor Thom's BAK;
- A guy who is not racist as you have shown yourself to be in a recent post;
- A guy who respects seniority and those who have earned my respect by position and to whom I listen and still take humble advice from instead of calling them "dorks".
So basically a no one from no-where, and one whom has NOTHING in common with the likes of a bigoted, cheap, naive, angry and nasty infantile sell-out like yourself.
That's all.
Em77ER: again mate, well done for the effort and integrity you've shown to your study, yourself and the preparation prior to blindly accepting this iCadet sham.
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Do you senior "pilots" think that your "informative" comments will make us back down from this cadet-ship? You better face reality that no matter how negative you're about this scheme there will always be an influx of prospect cadets.
You tell us to go work in fast food outlets or supermarkets to make money and then pay for our training. What makes you think that we haven't done that and realised that by the time we do have the required licenses. It could take years to land that first job. We don't want to be jobless patiently waiting for that job, when Cathay is giving us a chance - even though the terms are crap and the wait to finally be part of the "team" - making decisions and decided decisions will take years.
Whether you're disgusted by our comments and repeated questions we (wannabes) are thinking of joining this cadetship.
Don't blame us, if you hate this cadetship so much, why not tell management. If management doesn't give a DAMN about your input about the cadetship then you better get used to it.
The reason why some of us don't give you guys the credit is because you hardly tell us the better side of this deal; you're constantly shooting us down telling us to back down and GROW UP!
Love it or hate it, we are here and plenty more of us are on their way - regardless of what you post.
You tell us to go work in fast food outlets or supermarkets to make money and then pay for our training. What makes you think that we haven't done that and realised that by the time we do have the required licenses. It could take years to land that first job. We don't want to be jobless patiently waiting for that job, when Cathay is giving us a chance - even though the terms are crap and the wait to finally be part of the "team" - making decisions and decided decisions will take years.
Whether you're disgusted by our comments and repeated questions we (wannabes) are thinking of joining this cadetship.
Don't blame us, if you hate this cadetship so much, why not tell management. If management doesn't give a DAMN about your input about the cadetship then you better get used to it.
The reason why some of us don't give you guys the credit is because you hardly tell us the better side of this deal; you're constantly shooting us down telling us to back down and GROW UP!
Love it or hate it, we are here and plenty more of us are on their way - regardless of what you post.
"SEE YOU IN THE COCKPIT CAPTAIN"
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Icing on the cake....
A very quick review of our illustrious "blacklabel's" previous post comes up with this beauty!!
Refer post #20 by "blacklabel" at http://www.pprune.org/dg-p-general-a...ml#post5772950
(highlighting done by me)
So, not only are you racist, ignorant, naive and just plain stupid, but you are also two-faced. You IDIOT!!
Refer post #20 by "blacklabel" at http://www.pprune.org/dg-p-general-a...ml#post5772950
i don't believe in these cadetships, it makes kids dream and gives work to flying schools but will never make a good pilot out of anyone.
" ladies and gentlemen, this is you FO speaking, i'm 21 years old and i have 250h, the captain is in the toilet spewing his guts, we are arriving in Heathrow in an hour. There will be severe turbulence, snow storms and it is still night time "
" ladies and gentlemen, this is you FO speaking, i'm 21 years old and i have 250h, the captain is in the toilet spewing his guts, we are arriving in Heathrow in an hour. There will be severe turbulence, snow storms and it is still night time "
So, not only are you racist, ignorant, naive and just plain stupid, but you are also two-faced. You IDIOT!!
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my appologies to those who are only trying to help.
this is so sad. I applied 3 years ago and got the invite for an interview to HK next month. No stage 1. They offered to fly me out for 3 nights.( panel interviews, sim eval and medical. I'm shocked that it has gotten down to this point. Normally they offer you a stage one interview which in my case would have been in YVR, but that seems to have changed already. I know to some they are thinking that's great, but to me it's a clear indication on how things have really changed.
My girl and I will fly out, although she will have to go on my travel passes as CX only bring wives on their dime.
The interview will def be a good experience as well as the sim eval, but the proof is in the pudding with these posts and I just don't see how I could make a life out of this career anymore. (like most of you CX was a BIG dream of mine)
I will tell you my tune has changed. I was excited about this opportunity at first, but I've looked at it in every way and for someone in my position it just doesn't makes sense and that's a tough thing to swallow. F@#$ i would have loved to have been a part of what Cathay once was. I know they will see right through me in the interview, but hey that will be an experience as it surely wont be the last interview I'll do. I never would have though i'd use CX as interview practice.
I want to apologize to any of those i may have offended with previous posts, l'm a passionate person and dreamer, I did not see things clearly, and while i'm still little hazy on things I do know for sure it is not close to how it once was, and for me personally there are far better chances close to home.
Thanks Emr777, you did most of the research for me and i appreciate your thoughts and focus.
If anyone wants to look at the most current package being offered with someone who has +1500 with atpl,, maybe some of you are in the same boat, i will gladly forward it to you. Cadet is not mentioned anywhere in the package, but im assuming that its all the same seeing as there are details regarding a forgivable loan which outline the cost of training. I assume its referring to FTA. I dont know anymore , my head is still swimming,
cheers everyone and thanks gain
My girl and I will fly out, although she will have to go on my travel passes as CX only bring wives on their dime.
The interview will def be a good experience as well as the sim eval, but the proof is in the pudding with these posts and I just don't see how I could make a life out of this career anymore. (like most of you CX was a BIG dream of mine)
I will tell you my tune has changed. I was excited about this opportunity at first, but I've looked at it in every way and for someone in my position it just doesn't makes sense and that's a tough thing to swallow. F@#$ i would have loved to have been a part of what Cathay once was. I know they will see right through me in the interview, but hey that will be an experience as it surely wont be the last interview I'll do. I never would have though i'd use CX as interview practice.
I want to apologize to any of those i may have offended with previous posts, l'm a passionate person and dreamer, I did not see things clearly, and while i'm still little hazy on things I do know for sure it is not close to how it once was, and for me personally there are far better chances close to home.
Thanks Emr777, you did most of the research for me and i appreciate your thoughts and focus.
If anyone wants to look at the most current package being offered with someone who has +1500 with atpl,, maybe some of you are in the same boat, i will gladly forward it to you. Cadet is not mentioned anywhere in the package, but im assuming that its all the same seeing as there are details regarding a forgivable loan which outline the cost of training. I assume its referring to FTA. I dont know anymore , my head is still swimming,
cheers everyone and thanks gain
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We don't want to be jobless patiently waiting for that job, when Cathay is giving us a chance
Where is your commitment ?
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All i wanna say to all you Young Aspirants (wannabe is really a bad word)
DONT BITE THIS BAIT
STOP ACCEPTING SUCH COMPROMISES, We can't play their game, we cant be slaves of a system that is fed by slaves.
Otherwise very soon we will became just Air Drivers, and not pilots!
DONT BITE THIS BAIT
STOP ACCEPTING SUCH COMPROMISES, We can't play their game, we cant be slaves of a system that is fed by slaves.
Otherwise very soon we will became just Air Drivers, and not pilots!
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Again, the impatience that our generation has, is appalling to say the least.
Never the less, you want "positives" ? ask and you shall receive:
- you get to see the world (oops only about 18-24hours layovers)
- you're guaranteed the dream job straight after training (oops your career will be f%#ked forever)
- you get to tell people you fly a shiny jet (oops you're a sandwich eater for almost half your "career")
- you will be "at the top", getting paid good money (oops 10k housing allowance in HK, + other "costs", read them in your own time)
- oh yeah the flight attendance
(oops 
... enough said)
- you will be "livin large in HK" (oops correction, you will be living in a 1 bedder in tung chung with no money at the end of the month to do anything)
- you get to try all sorts of different sandwiches (no oops there)
- hey wait a minute!!.. you get free training! why didn't i think of that first? (oops, because it's not "free", you repay it many times over, through out your entire "career")
- you will be a better pilot from observing other pilots fly, than "struggling" in GA (oops, wrong!!, read previous posts)
so there you have it slotsdown, the positives.... but food for thought.
Photos: Airbus A340-642 Aircraft Pictures | Airliners.net <<< can you sit in that seat for 6-8 years?, your sandwiches await you.
Cathay Pacific pilots hailed as heroes | The Australian
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i wonder what a cadet entry pilot captain would have done in those situations. in the event things like this happen (hopefully it doesn't), but it could, as a cadet pilot entry captain, will you be able to make decisions like these guys did?... doubtful!
how about you get in the cpp first, before even insulting your potential future superiors.
p.s. just in case anyone tries to be smart, we all know that CX don't use the 600s anymore, this is just a nice picture above, for illustrative purposes.
Never the less, you want "positives" ? ask and you shall receive:
- you get to see the world (oops only about 18-24hours layovers)
- you're guaranteed the dream job straight after training
(oops your career will be f%#ked forever)- you get to tell people you fly a shiny jet (oops you're a sandwich eater for almost half your "career")
- you will be "at the top", getting paid good money (oops 10k housing allowance in HK, + other "costs", read them in your own time)
- oh yeah the flight attendance
(oops ... enough said)- you will be "livin large in HK" (oops correction, you will be living in a 1 bedder in tung chung with no money at the end of the month to do anything)
- you get to try all sorts of different sandwiches (no oops there)
- hey wait a minute!!.. you get free training! why didn't i think of that first? (oops, because it's not "free", you repay it many times over, through out your entire "career")
- you will be a better pilot from observing other pilots fly, than "struggling" in GA (oops, wrong!!, read previous posts)
so there you have it slotsdown, the positives.... but food for thought.
Photos: Airbus A340-642 Aircraft Pictures | Airliners.net <<< can you sit in that seat for 6-8 years?, your sandwiches await you.
Cathay Pacific pilots hailed as heroes | The Australian
Captain Fantastic
RICHARD DE CRESPIGNY: Engine number two, overheat and failure. Engines one and four degraded two levels in thrust. Electrically, the left-hand side of the aircraft was dead. We lost 50% of the hydraulic systems. The brakes underneath the wings were reduced to 30% braking efficiency, and anti-skid was inoperative. Fuel system, 3 tanks out of 11 functioned, no transfer system was available. No jettison system. We had multiple holes in the wing, which disrupted the airflow over the wing and caused the stall speed to increase.
how about you get in the cpp first, before even insulting your potential future superiors.
p.s. just in case anyone tries to be smart, we all know that CX don't use the 600s anymore, this is just a nice picture above, for illustrative purposes.
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The guys who really, really, really want to enroll this CPP soooo bad, which statement would you consider?
- I'm a pilot because I love to fly..
- I'm a pilot because I love to eat sandwiches..
No, I'm not a m*therf*cker, but come on.. Calling captains dorks, blaming those which really give some advice here (thank you guys to give us advice! we need those!!), and yelling that you want to enroll this CPP so bad.. what the hell are you guys thinking and doing?
And yeah, being a CPT or F/O at a widebody is ticking some heading changes in the panel.. believe me.. if you fly in very bad weather, you'll have to land the plane automatically (CATIII), because the SOP's are saying that..
If you just want to wear that uniform, please tell me, I'll buy you one, so we are off from guys like you!!
Doing for almost 4 years research in the job (pilot) and flight schools, working for almost 5 years at some supermarkets and even a McD here (Em773er, I was a colleague of you haha!) saving every cent for a flight training.. No, I'm not there yet! You know why? Because it is a LOT OF MONEY!! And I know, you know, everyone knows, on what the hell you are spending your money at, it will have some effect at you and your bankaccount! If I spend some (no, it is huge amount, so 'A LOT OF') money in flight training I will really do everything to succeed, to thank myself that I can effort this by myself and kinda fun I give to myself.. I will aprecciate myself! Building some self-confidence is a very important thing in life.. It gives a lot of enery!
Em773er, you know me already, you know who I am.. Guys like you, yeah, these are the people where I want to sit next..
But the question, is what I've already said, it is quite simple, do you love to eat sandwiches or do you love to fly?
- I'm a pilot because I love to fly..
- I'm a pilot because I love to eat sandwiches..
No, I'm not a m*therf*cker, but come on.. Calling captains dorks, blaming those which really give some advice here (thank you guys to give us advice! we need those!!), and yelling that you want to enroll this CPP so bad.. what the hell are you guys thinking and doing?
And yeah, being a CPT or F/O at a widebody is ticking some heading changes in the panel.. believe me.. if you fly in very bad weather, you'll have to land the plane automatically (CATIII), because the SOP's are saying that..
If you just want to wear that uniform, please tell me, I'll buy you one, so we are off from guys like you!!
Doing for almost 4 years research in the job (pilot) and flight schools, working for almost 5 years at some supermarkets and even a McD here (Em773er, I was a colleague of you haha!) saving every cent for a flight training.. No, I'm not there yet! You know why? Because it is a LOT OF MONEY!! And I know, you know, everyone knows, on what the hell you are spending your money at, it will have some effect at you and your bankaccount! If I spend some (no, it is huge amount, so 'A LOT OF') money in flight training I will really do everything to succeed, to thank myself that I can effort this by myself and kinda fun I give to myself.. I will aprecciate myself! Building some self-confidence is a very important thing in life.. It gives a lot of enery!
Em773er, you know me already, you know who I am.. Guys like you, yeah, these are the people where I want to sit next..
But the question, is what I've already said, it is quite simple, do you love to eat sandwiches or do you love to fly?
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Originally Posted by Em773ER
i wonder what a cadet entry pilot captain would have done in those situations. in the event things like this happen (hopefully it doesn't), but it could, as a cadet pilot entry captain, will you be able to make decisions like these guys did?... doubtful!
Nobody except you!
You don't even work in cathay and you think you are qualified to cast shadows over their ability?
Yes, share your opinion about the program, but try to do it professionally.
Let's keep it to facts, figures and career prospective.
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Em773ER,
Its one thing to talk about the iCadet package and how it sucks...okay we get it, if your not going to take the job, get off the forum because when you say things like this...
You sound like an idiot. A captain is a captain, it doesnt matter where he came from, if hes flying in the left seat (especially at Cathay), he is a qualified captain. Many captains, even at cx were cadets. So by you saying that its "doubtful that they can make decisions like these guys" is quite stupid and disrespectful to those captains who were cadets....
if you dont know what your talking about then stop...its getting annoying.
Its one thing to talk about the iCadet package and how it sucks...okay we get it, if your not going to take the job, get off the forum because when you say things like this...
i wonder what a cadet entry pilot captain would have done in those situations. in the event things like this happen (hopefully it doesn't), but it could, as a cadet pilot entry captain, will you be able to make decisions like these guys did?... doubtful!
if you dont know what your talking about then stop...its getting annoying.
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KPHL & G_Orwell
you misunderstand my statement. i know there are cadet entry captains from years ago. and a captain is a captain regardless of how they got there, yes. i never said they can't make decisions like those guys, but i said its "doubtful" which is not the same same as "impossible".
i am 100% sure that a cadet entry captain would not have the same amount of decision making skills, perspective, abilites etc as a captain who came through GA. that is all i am trying to point out.
its comments like these by KPHL
that show these guys are CLUELESS!
don't twist my words and tell me i'm questioning the professionalism, ability and experience of captains coming from the cadet scheme! there is nothing wrong comparing cadet entry captains vs GA entry captains
i am 100% sure that a cadet entry captain would not have the same amount of decision making skills, perspective, abilites etc as a captain who came through GA. that is all i am trying to point out.
its comments like these by KPHL
If anything being a SO will make you a better Captain or First Officer... you have had several years of following your colleagues in the flight deck and learning from them....
don't twist my words and tell me i'm questioning the professionalism, ability and experience of captains coming from the cadet scheme! there is nothing wrong comparing cadet entry captains vs GA entry captains
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you misunderstand my statement. i know there are cadet entry captains from years ago. and a captain is a captain regardless of how they got there, yes. i never said they can't make decisions like those guys, but i said its "doubtful" which is not the same same as "impossible".
i am 100% sure that a cadet entry captain would not have the same amount of decision making skills, perspective, abilites etc as a captain who came through GA. that is all i am trying to point out.
its comments like these by KPHL
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If anything being a SO will make you a better Captain or First Officer... you have had several years of following your colleagues in the flight deck and learning from them....
that show these guys are CLUELESS!
don't twist my words and tell me i'm questioning the professionalism, ability and experience of captains coming from the cadet scheme! there is nothing wrong comparing cadet entry captains vs GA entry captains
i am 100% sure that a cadet entry captain would not have the same amount of decision making skills, perspective, abilites etc as a captain who came through GA. that is all i am trying to point out.
its comments like these by KPHL
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If anything being a SO will make you a better Captain or First Officer... you have had several years of following your colleagues in the flight deck and learning from them....
that show these guys are CLUELESS!
don't twist my words and tell me i'm questioning the professionalism, ability and experience of captains coming from the cadet scheme! there is nothing wrong comparing cadet entry captains vs GA entry captains
Your calling me Clueless? Are you even a pilot? If you sit in the jump seat for SIX years and you cannot learn from your peers on how to make decisions and become a responsible first officer or Captain, maybe you shouldnt even be near an airplane.
I know that GA helps you make decisions but are they really going to help you in the flight deck of a 777 or for that matter an A380?
Here, I'll even use the video you posted.
Captain Fantastic
Your telling me that "you", a GA pilot can make a better decisions than the Second officer on that Qantas flight? (Remember they take cadets with ZERO flight time too).
Your mixing up Apples and Oranges, GA flying and Commercial Airline flying are two totally different ball game.
Heres my advice to you, if you are so concerned about money, DO NOT BECOME A PILOT, if not, then put your money where you mouth is, go start flying your beloved "General Aviation" airplanes, learn something and go get a job,
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i can understand why its important to have GA experience but if there are captains in CX who were ab initio cadets, then surely this cadet program must provide sufficient training to become a decent captain.
thats just my 2 cents
thats just my 2 cents
these are even your own words...
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yes i am a pilot, but that's irrelevant mate. firstly i never said an SO will not learn anything. your first statement is therefore an incorrect insult.
..... seriously? you're really going to make that argument?
thats never what i said!!! why are you implying that i insinuated such remarks?!... and FYI Qantas do take 0 hour cadets.. but they put them in "industry placement" with QantasLink, flying dash 8s after their training for at least 2 years before becoming SOs.. so you are wrong yet again.
yes perhaps in some ways that is correct... but just look at the big picture and you will see what i mean.
the way i see it is, you are saying CX cpp is the only way of becoming a pilot therefore i shouldn't be a pilot because i don't like the pay that icadets get... no advice taken thanks. i'm gona work hard in GA, get hands on experience and actually enjoy it, and when i'm ready for airlines ill be earning what i deserve.
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hey i blatantly admitted that i was a naive wannabe (and thanks for proving me right), but after long research i now see the big picture and not as naive as i once was.
Your calling me Clueless? Are you even a pilot? If you sit in the jump seat for SIX years and you cannot learn from your peers on how to make decisions and become a responsible first officer or Captain, maybe you shouldnt even be near an airplane.
I know that GA helps you make decisions but are they really going to help you in the flight deck of a 777 or for that matter an A380?
seriously? you're really going to make that argument?
Your telling me that "you", a GA pilot can make a better decisions than the Second officer on that Qantas flight? (Remember they take cadets with ZERO flight time too).
Your mixing up Apples and Oranges, GA flying and Commercial Airline flying are two totally different ball game.
Heres my advice to you, if you are so concerned about money, DO NOT BECOME A PILOT, if not, then put your money where you mouth is, go start flying your beloved "General Aviation" airplanes, learn something and go get a job
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i can understand why its important to have GA experience but if there are captains in CX who were ab initio cadets, then surely this cadet program must provide sufficient training to become a decent captain.
thats just my 2 cents
these are even your own words...
i can understand why its important to have GA experience but if there are captains in CX who were ab initio cadets, then surely this cadet program must provide sufficient training to become a decent captain.
thats just my 2 cents
these are even your own words...
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The CX Command course is probably the most difficult on the planet. ANYBODY who passes it, whether a former Cadet or not, deserves and receives the respect that goes with it. ( Except for one, but he's gone now and he was just dangerous). Once you've done your 15-20 years putting the gear up and down, you too will have the chance to earn some respect.
The fact is, while you're an SO who's had no flying experience before, ( except for the training ), you'll have pretty much no idea what the hell is going on. You'll know the rules as they are written in the books, and you'll agree with the rest of the crew on anything because you won't have the experience to know any better. This is the dangerous sort of situation the current pilots and " INTERNET TROLLS" are warning against.
It will all come slowly after a few years, but by all means, nobody is perfect, and nobody expects that you'll not make a decent Commander. It will just take a lot longer for it to happen.
The fact is, while you're an SO who's had no flying experience before, ( except for the training ), you'll have pretty much no idea what the hell is going on. You'll know the rules as they are written in the books, and you'll agree with the rest of the crew on anything because you won't have the experience to know any better. This is the dangerous sort of situation the current pilots and " INTERNET TROLLS" are warning against.
It will all come slowly after a few years, but by all means, nobody is perfect, and nobody expects that you'll not make a decent Commander. It will just take a lot longer for it to happen.
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The fact is, while you're an SO who's had no flying experience before, ( except for the training ), you'll have pretty much no idea what the hell is going on. You'll know the rules as they are written in the books, and you'll agree with the rest of the crew on anything because you won't have the experience to know any better. This is the dangerous sort of situation the current pilots and " INTERNET TROLLS" are warning against.
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Are they short of experience??
Are they getting desperate?
Experienced applicants being asked to go straight to HK for the final stage. They arent having to do stage 1.
Experienced applicants being asked to go straight to HK for the final stage. They arent having to do stage 1.
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Any truth to the rumor of short course (4 week) cadets being told they'll get a rapid upgrade to JF/O as a deal sweetener? CX is severly short on applications for the short course.
If true, 30 week and 60 week cadets can expect even longer at S/O, 7yrs, 8 who knows?
The other possibility is, suitable short course cadets will be told of the rapid upgrade in the interview but having joined and satisfied CX need for S/Os in the short term, will learn 18 months later approaching the so called upgrade time that for unforeseen circumstances you can't upgrade due to possible industrial action re jumping the seniority list or other factors.
Remember what happened to the instructor cadets, they were told expat terms but that offer was later rescinded!
If true, 30 week and 60 week cadets can expect even longer at S/O, 7yrs, 8 who knows?
The other possibility is, suitable short course cadets will be told of the rapid upgrade in the interview but having joined and satisfied CX need for S/Os in the short term, will learn 18 months later approaching the so called upgrade time that for unforeseen circumstances you can't upgrade due to possible industrial action re jumping the seniority list or other factors.
Remember what happened to the instructor cadets, they were told expat terms but that offer was later rescinded!