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@chinabeached:
CLASSIC... ROTFL!
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a whopping 900sqft, what to do with all that space!
CLASSIC... ROTFL!
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Housing - $15-$18k a month, depending on size/location. It'll be small-ish (700 sqft or so) for this price if you want to live in town, or slightly bigger (900 sqft) if you are OK with living a bit further away
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When it boils down to it, there are two cultures here.
1. Thinks a 700sf flat is reasonable living including a family and it's more important to drive the latest BMW. So the fact that the CX package allows them to live alone in the same size apartment is a vast improvement.
2. Thinks a 3 bedroom home, garage, a yard with enough room to kick a footy and save for their first car is reasonable.
Which group are/were you?
The cadet package is aimed at group 1 and group 2 with shiny jet syndrome.
A cadet package with a low cost carrier is better than this deal, at least you actually fly once you graduate.
Wait till you're in the lobby of a hotel and a guest comes up to you thinking your are bell boy of the hotel, the one stripe jacket doesn't really cut it.
PS @chinabeached classic
1. Thinks a 700sf flat is reasonable living including a family and it's more important to drive the latest BMW. So the fact that the CX package allows them to live alone in the same size apartment is a vast improvement.
2. Thinks a 3 bedroom home, garage, a yard with enough room to kick a footy and save for their first car is reasonable.
Which group are/were you?
The cadet package is aimed at group 1 and group 2 with shiny jet syndrome.
A cadet package with a low cost carrier is better than this deal, at least you actually fly once you graduate.
Wait till you're in the lobby of a hotel and a guest comes up to you thinking your are bell boy of the hotel, the one stripe jacket doesn't really cut it.
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Ha ha, yeap happened to me more than once. Can you tell me where the toilets are? What time is check out? Also happens in the airport, can you tell me where to check in for air france? Can you help me with finding my lost luggage?
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Roster control/flexibility for an SO
I read you fly 2-3 trips a month on average. But as a SO, does the crewing department allow you to bid for trips or even swap trips with another SO?
And do you have to do a standby each month?
And do you have to do a standby each month?
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Wow I don't know anything about flying and lurk here for fun.
You guys going for the cadet program should think about it more.
It would be like someone applying for my occupation (police officer)
and accepting a low paying job that involves only taking notes and maybe working the siren, and doing this for years. We would not respect you from a career point
of view because of your "flunky" status and when you go to another force to apply using your experience they would just laugh and recommend you apply and start from square one. You would not be invited to coffee or swing shift parties due to our embarrassment on your behalf regarding the career path you've taken.
But! You get to ride in a police car and wear a uniform. Isn't that cool? No. The novelty wears off and it's your passion for the job (if there is any left after dealing with the politics of the job) and your long term achievments, professional contacts, friendships, and approaching retirement that keep you going. I only compare this to my occupation because I can relate to it but am sure others can apply their jobs to this scenario as well.
Do any pilots here agree with this simplistic comparison?
You guys going for the cadet program should think about it more.
It would be like someone applying for my occupation (police officer)
and accepting a low paying job that involves only taking notes and maybe working the siren, and doing this for years. We would not respect you from a career point
of view because of your "flunky" status and when you go to another force to apply using your experience they would just laugh and recommend you apply and start from square one. You would not be invited to coffee or swing shift parties due to our embarrassment on your behalf regarding the career path you've taken.
But! You get to ride in a police car and wear a uniform. Isn't that cool? No. The novelty wears off and it's your passion for the job (if there is any left after dealing with the politics of the job) and your long term achievments, professional contacts, friendships, and approaching retirement that keep you going. I only compare this to my occupation because I can relate to it but am sure others can apply their jobs to this scenario as well.
Do any pilots here agree with this simplistic comparison?
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rumour is they are having so many applications since opening up to international applicants that it normally takes about 8 months (give or take) for your application to be processed.
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Aile.... Tell me more?!!!!! I am REALLY passionate about this breaking news!
Just one question, the TWO THOUSAND EIGHT HUNDRED AND TEN posts before yours on ONE HUNDRED AND FORTY ONE pages..... what the hell are they all about?
Can you really get online and apply from "anywhere"?
Or, written for most iCadets to "get":
yo all yez homies.me n me crew gonna do fly'in stuff 'cauze fly'in ROCKS! n all.when me n me peeps slip on in ta cathy 4 da gig n say stuff like "yo waz-up" all da chicks gonna go "yeah, yooz rock!" n all!!all yooz haytas out dair n all yooz dorks beta chill cauze we rock n yooz dont.but me peeps n me wanna no yo waz-up n how do yez becum pilots enyway?i'm gona be jus like m&m n p-diddly n 50cent wit me own crew n stuff like dat!!!!all yooz beta look out!!! c yez in da cocpit captin!!!!!!
Just one question, the TWO THOUSAND EIGHT HUNDRED AND TEN posts before yours on ONE HUNDRED AND FORTY ONE pages..... what the hell are they all about?
Can you really get online and apply from "anywhere"?
Or, written for most iCadets to "get":
yo all yez homies.me n me crew gonna do fly'in stuff 'cauze fly'in ROCKS! n all.when me n me peeps slip on in ta cathy 4 da gig n say stuff like "yo waz-up" all da chicks gonna go "yeah, yooz rock!" n all!!all yooz haytas out dair n all yooz dorks beta chill cauze we rock n yooz dont.but me peeps n me wanna no yo waz-up n how do yez becum pilots enyway?i'm gona be jus like m&m n p-diddly n 50cent wit me own crew n stuff like dat!!!!all yooz beta look out!!! c yez in da cocpit captin!!!!!!
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I was sent a email 2 weeks ago saying "we are pleased to advise you that you are shortlisted for the Stage 2 Interview".
Im still waiting to hear, anyone else in the same boat?
Im still waiting to hear, anyone else in the same boat?
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Originally Posted by ChinaBeached
Aile.... Tell me more?!!!!! I am REALLY passionate about this breaking news!
Just one question, the TWO THOUSAND EIGHT HUNDRED AND TEN posts before yours on ONE HUNDRED AND FORTY ONE pages..... what the hell are they all about?
Can you really get online and apply from "anywhere"?
Or, written for most iCadets to "get":
yo all yez homies.me n me crew gonna do fly'in stuff 'cauze fly'in ROCKS! n all.when me n me peeps slip on in ta cathy 4 da gig n say stuff like "yo waz-up" all da chicks gonna go "yeah, yooz rock!" n all!!all yooz haytas out dair n all yooz dorks beta chill cauze we rock n yooz dont.but me peeps n me wanna no yo waz-up n how do yez becum pilots enyway?i'm gona be jus like m&m n p-diddly n 50cent wit me own crew n stuff like dat!!!!all yooz beta look out!!! c yez in da cocpit captin!!!!!!
Just one question, the TWO THOUSAND EIGHT HUNDRED AND TEN posts before yours on ONE HUNDRED AND FORTY ONE pages..... what the hell are they all about?
Can you really get online and apply from "anywhere"?
Or, written for most iCadets to "get":
yo all yez homies.me n me crew gonna do fly'in stuff 'cauze fly'in ROCKS! n all.when me n me peeps slip on in ta cathy 4 da gig n say stuff like "yo waz-up" all da chicks gonna go "yeah, yooz rock!" n all!!all yooz haytas out dair n all yooz dorks beta chill cauze we rock n yooz dont.but me peeps n me wanna no yo waz-up n how do yez becum pilots enyway?i'm gona be jus like m&m n p-diddly n 50cent wit me own crew n stuff like dat!!!!all yooz beta look out!!! c yez in da cocpit captin!!!!!!
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I'll repost this because it got buried under a lot of nonsense:
I interviewed last month for the "transition" CPP job in HK. If you'd like some info. on it I wrote a gouge. PM me if you'd like it.
Take care everyone!
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Mr. T - I apparently didn't read your post clearly and missed the fact that you said you got a reply two weeks ago. Did you interview in SFO by any chance?
Mr. Fusion - check P.M.'s
Mr. Fusion - check P.M.'s
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Aim High?
Aiminghigh, your either an idiot, a troll, or a hypocrite if you really believe your username.....probably all three
Your post smacks of SJS and a general lack of decency, evidenced by asking current CX pilots if "we've all had it easy throughout life". Quite the opposite actually, most of us have done the hard yards in GA and the Military, ie poverty and hardship, to gain the requisite experience necessary to even be invited for an interview with CX. Having done those hard yards, made it through the recruiting process, the training and upgrade process and being suitably remunerated (yes, I know
) we expect to be paid what we are worth. Yes, like a king. Show me a king who has anything like the responsibility we have every day?
If you can't see that, then bugger off till you can.
The breathless, headlong rush here is vomit inducing to watch. All the excuses I see paraded out just as pathetic, and your attempts to avoid and justify ignoring the advice by current, serving pilots living and working here are even more so.
You will be sorry, probably sooner rather than later, for accepting these T and Cs. So be it, just don't expect a shoulder to cry on.
Nosey
Your post smacks of SJS and a general lack of decency, evidenced by asking current CX pilots if "we've all had it easy throughout life". Quite the opposite actually, most of us have done the hard yards in GA and the Military, ie poverty and hardship, to gain the requisite experience necessary to even be invited for an interview with CX. Having done those hard yards, made it through the recruiting process, the training and upgrade process and being suitably remunerated (yes, I know) we expect to be paid what we are worth. Yes, like a king. Show me a king who has anything like the responsibility we have every day? If you can't see that, then bugger off till you can.
The breathless, headlong rush here is vomit inducing to watch.
All the excuses I see paraded out just as pathetic, and your attempts to avoid and justify ignoring the advice by current, serving pilots living and working here are even more so. You will be sorry, probably sooner rather than later, for accepting these T and Cs. So be it, just don't expect a shoulder to cry on.
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Originally Posted by AIMINGHIGH123
What`s wrong with a 700 sqft flat?? I live in a 450 sqft 1 bed flat in London with my gf and we think its perfect size. So many people on this forum expect to live like a king from day one, have you all had it that easy throughout life? I would jump at the chance to even have an interview with CX and would be very happy with there T+Cs if offered.
But the current "housing allowance" if you can call it that begins at HK$10K/mo and tops out at HK$36K/mo. as a Senior Captain 7. In 2007 the real housing allowance began at HK24K/mo. and the people I know there are already way past HK$36K/mo. It is a very large difference, and if you are looking to make a career of CX you have to look pretty far into the future and ask if you can raise a family comfortably on that compensation.
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Originally Posted by NoseGear
Aiminghigh, your either an idiot, a troll, or a hypocrite if you really believe your username.....probably all three Your post smacks of SJS and a general lack of decency, evidenced by asking current CX pilots if "we've all had it easy throughout life". Quite the opposite actually, most of us have done the hard yards in GA and the Military, ie poverty and hardship, to gain the requisite experience necessary to even be invited for an interview with CX. Having done those hard yards, made it through the recruiting process, the training and upgrade process and being suitably remunerated (yes, I know) we expect to be paid what we are worth. Yes, like a king. Show me a king who has anything like the responsibility we have every day?
If you can't see that, then bugger off till you can.
The breathless, headlong rush here is vomit inducing to watch. All the excuses I see paraded out just as pathetic, and your attempts to avoid and justify ignoring the advice by current, serving pilots living and working here are even more so.
You will be sorry, probably sooner rather than later, for accepting these T and Cs. So be it, just don't expect a shoulder to cry on.
Nosey
If you can't see that, then bugger off till you can.
The breathless, headlong rush here is vomit inducing to watch. All the excuses I see paraded out just as pathetic, and your attempts to avoid and justify ignoring the advice by current, serving pilots living and working here are even more so.
You will be sorry, probably sooner rather than later, for accepting these T and Cs. So be it, just don't expect a shoulder to cry on.
Nosey
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Fusion:
1) get a sense of humour;
2) the CX ship has not sailed at all. It is rapidly sinking into a sewered, putrid quagmire due the weight of the likes of yourself hoping, trying & crying like an immature naive child to make it so. That way these "standards" can be at the suitable entry level for your attitude, morality, maturity & skill level.
My ship hasn't sailed, far from it. I just refused, twice, to sail on the type of ship you want to be on.
And the others who have been "fast tracked"!! Sane people scoff at emails stating "you have been fastracked / selected for this great opportunity!". They are viewed as rip-off schemes & shonky scams generated from countries with loose laws. But if the same comes from CX? "Shortlisted"??! Yet none of you ask why....
Fusion, "trolls" are bottom dwellers living on scraps beneath bridges. Nah mate, that's for the likes of you believing that is a good lifestyle & existence. Those of us with a spine, integrity, experience & knowledge don't want the likes of you polluting our industry. Because until you drag the rest of it & us down to your level you will not be satisfied. Justify your pathetic reasoning as much as you can & will, but you will & always will be a septic scar on all that others achieved in the past at CX.
And still the droves of immbecilic posts will come asking questions insulting to the intelligence of what used to be called a professional airman. Call or email the damn flying school if you want to know which aircraft CX utilise in ADL! Look up the damn regs about license conversion!! Speak to a financial advisor about the contract at CX & a probable financial situation in 20+ years!! IDIOTS!!!
But least of all don't take the advice of ANYONE that with international airline experience at CX or other! It may detract from your naive short cited & ignorant short term plans. (Now look up "irony").
But of course, it's all FREE!!!!!!!!!!
1) get a sense of humour;
2) the CX ship has not sailed at all. It is rapidly sinking into a sewered, putrid quagmire due the weight of the likes of yourself hoping, trying & crying like an immature naive child to make it so. That way these "standards" can be at the suitable entry level for your attitude, morality, maturity & skill level.
My ship hasn't sailed, far from it. I just refused, twice, to sail on the type of ship you want to be on.
And the others who have been "fast tracked"!! Sane people scoff at emails stating "you have been fastracked / selected for this great opportunity!". They are viewed as rip-off schemes & shonky scams generated from countries with loose laws. But if the same comes from CX? "Shortlisted"??! Yet none of you ask why....
Fusion, "trolls" are bottom dwellers living on scraps beneath bridges. Nah mate, that's for the likes of you believing that is a good lifestyle & existence. Those of us with a spine, integrity, experience & knowledge don't want the likes of you polluting our industry. Because until you drag the rest of it & us down to your level you will not be satisfied. Justify your pathetic reasoning as much as you can & will, but you will & always will be a septic scar on all that others achieved in the past at CX.
And still the droves of immbecilic posts will come asking questions insulting to the intelligence of what used to be called a professional airman. Call or email the damn flying school if you want to know which aircraft CX utilise in ADL! Look up the damn regs about license conversion!! Speak to a financial advisor about the contract at CX & a probable financial situation in 20+ years!! IDIOTS!!!
But least of all don't take the advice of ANYONE that with international airline experience at CX or other! It may detract from your naive short cited & ignorant short term plans. (Now look up "irony").
But of course, it's all FREE!!!!!!!!!!
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Originally Posted by ChinaBeached
Fusion:
1) get a sense of humour;
2) the CX ship has not sailed at all. It is rapidly sinking into a sewered, putrid quagmire due the weight of the likes of yourself hoping, trying & crying like an immature naive child to make it so. That way these "standards" can be at the suitable entry level for your attitude, morality, maturity & skill level.
My ship hasn't sailed, far from it. I just refused, twice, to sail on the type of ship you want to be on.
And the others who have been "fast tracked"!! Sane people scoff at emails stating "you have been fastracked / selected for this great opportunity!". They are viewed as rip-off schemes & shonky scams generated from countries with loose laws. But if the same comes from CX? "Shortlisted"??! Yet none of you ask why....
Fusion, "trolls" are bottom dwellers living on scraps beneath bridges. Nah mate, that's for the likes of you believing that is a good lifestyle & existence. Those of us with a spine, integrity, experience & knowledge don't want the likes of you polluting our industry. Because until you drag the rest of it & us down to your level you will not be satisfied. Justify your pathetic reasoning as much as you can & will, but you will & always will be a septic scar on all that others achieved in the past at CX.
And still the droves of immbecilic posts will come asking questions insulting to the intelligence of what used to be called a professional airman. Call or email the damn flying school if you want to know which aircraft CX utilise in ADL! Look up the damn regs about license conversion!! Speak to a financial advisor about the contract at CX & a probable financial situation in 20+ years!! IDIOTS!!!
But least of all don't take the advice of ANYONE that with international airline experience at CX or other! It may detract from your naive short cited & ignorant short term plans. (Now look up "irony").
But of course, it's all FREE!!!!!!!!!!
1) get a sense of humour;
2) the CX ship has not sailed at all. It is rapidly sinking into a sewered, putrid quagmire due the weight of the likes of yourself hoping, trying & crying like an immature naive child to make it so. That way these "standards" can be at the suitable entry level for your attitude, morality, maturity & skill level.
My ship hasn't sailed, far from it. I just refused, twice, to sail on the type of ship you want to be on.
And the others who have been "fast tracked"!! Sane people scoff at emails stating "you have been fastracked / selected for this great opportunity!". They are viewed as rip-off schemes & shonky scams generated from countries with loose laws. But if the same comes from CX? "Shortlisted"??! Yet none of you ask why....
Fusion, "trolls" are bottom dwellers living on scraps beneath bridges. Nah mate, that's for the likes of you believing that is a good lifestyle & existence. Those of us with a spine, integrity, experience & knowledge don't want the likes of you polluting our industry. Because until you drag the rest of it & us down to your level you will not be satisfied. Justify your pathetic reasoning as much as you can & will, but you will & always will be a septic scar on all that others achieved in the past at CX.
And still the droves of immbecilic posts will come asking questions insulting to the intelligence of what used to be called a professional airman. Call or email the damn flying school if you want to know which aircraft CX utilise in ADL! Look up the damn regs about license conversion!! Speak to a financial advisor about the contract at CX & a probable financial situation in 20+ years!! IDIOTS!!!
But least of all don't take the advice of ANYONE that with international airline experience at CX or other! It may detract from your naive short cited & ignorant short term plans. (Now look up "irony").
But of course, it's all FREE!!!!!!!!!!
http://www.rage-anon.org/
I'm sure they have a chapter open in your country too "mate."
Do come back and see us when you're back on your meds and stable.
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Ha! You confuse anger with pitiful despair at the bottom feeders who want to keep digging lower.
You applied and FAILED a far far lower standard of interview than your predecessors!!
3000 hrs TT, 2500 hrs CRJ and kids with ZERO hours beat you into a job??!!
Yes, a failured nuclear engineer & now failed iCadet. Hide all loose & sharp objects when depressed, my 2 cents worth.
And yet you ASK / BEG to be treated like this?! What's more argue against the likes of us trying say the same damn thing! We know it, see it, and oppose it. You know it, see it & seek to be a part of it. Such integrity? Or more of a sell-out?
I & many thousands of pilots have one for you.
So you "understand" the negative comments you say? Obviously you say one thing but do another. Maybe the personality psych testing revealed too much in the CX interview?
"Everything good with them" you say. No. The wannabe but failed sell-outs like you have & continue to ensure things will not be the same & our collective terms & conditions are lowered.
And yet STILL you applied & chased it! And what's more tell others to do the same? You tell others to take what you laugh at. Do you have any character or integrity at all?
Ummm..... But wasn't it CX who told YOU "to f*** (yourself) and find a new job"????
Such wisdom. Join low & hope? "Better (LONG TERM) opportunities"? Dozens of posts highlighting them but laziness, ignorance, naivety & arrogance prevents anyone from looking.
So, there's the caliber of iCadet failure offering advice & direction. Fella, if you're going to granstand have the runs on the board first.
You applied and FAILED a far far lower standard of interview than your predecessors!!
3000 hrs TT, 2500 hrs CRJ and kids with ZERO hours beat you into a job??!!
Attended one in HK a couple weeks back (never had an initial interview) and was turned down.
My background:
- USA Regional FO
- 3,000 Total Hours (2,500 in the CRJ7)
- Nuclear Engineering major (probably a dead give-away as to who I am )
- USA Regional FO
- 3,000 Total Hours (2,500 in the CRJ7)
- Nuclear Engineering major (probably a dead give-away as to who I am )
For me, it was just another example of how my services are worth less than the generation before me: Shareholders demand continually increasing profit margins, so the front-line workers get squeezed more and more.
Thank you Capitalism. :middlefinger:
Thank you Capitalism. :middlefinger:
(Where's the middle finger emoticon?)
The negative comments related to this job are (understandably) posted by people who have a better job now, whether it be with Cathay or someone else. Good for them. But keep in mind you don't have their job: Criticism is easy to dish out when everything's good with numero uno.
"Everything good with them" you say. No. The wannabe but failed sell-outs like you have & continue to ensure things will not be the same & our collective terms & conditions are lowered.
I almost laughed at the final interview when the HR rep said "okay, so let's say you take the job, and yeah it'll be fun and exciting for the first year or two..." FIRST YEAR OR TWO?!? Try the first half-hour into my first ID..) this job may not be for you.
If (for some reason) they actually raise it again, and you don't get that raise, and there's better opportunities out there, tell them to f*** themselves and find a new job.
Such wisdom. Join low & hope? "Better (LONG TERM) opportunities"? Dozens of posts highlighting them but laziness, ignorance, naivety & arrogance prevents anyone from looking.
So, there's the caliber of iCadet failure offering advice & direction. Fella, if you're going to granstand have the runs on the board first.
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