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@DanBuster
So you're saying your own salary (forget the housing allowance for once, please) has not changed since Day 1 when you arrived in CX? If it has (and I am assuming it has), that means you now earn more than you did when you started. By the same token, I think we can assume that by the time these new joiners get to Fo and then Captain, they will also earn a little more than they do as SOs. Therefore, a 700sqft flat will not be their lot for life. It certainly isn't mine or any other LEP's.
True, very few live in 3-bed houses with gardens in Hong Kong. But for many, living in a city makes up for the lack of space. I choose not to commute because I like being in a city. In not many cities in the world could you afford that same house+garden lifestyle.
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Still no-one has attempted to answer my simple question - is there a better deal out there? I've been looking (albeit from the perspective of one with some seniority), but haven't found one yet.
Yes, we all agree (and blimey has it been rammed down everyone's throat on here) that the package is not what it once was (for those able to join on expat terms). It's still a lot better deal than many out there.
Some have said go the low-cost cadet route - the choice between a) paying for their own training and then doing 6 sectors a day on 319s or 737s flying to some scummy airport in Eastern Europe, and b) having your entire training paid for, then flying long-haul on shiny jets isn't really a choice at all for many is it? If you think about it, and are honest with yourselves, if you were offered the same choice at the same age as these guys, wouldn't you have at least considered it?
Short-term approach, maybe, but who can guarantee a long-term career any more?
So you're saying your own salary (forget the housing allowance for once, please) has not changed since Day 1 when you arrived in CX? If it has (and I am assuming it has), that means you now earn more than you did when you started. By the same token, I think we can assume that by the time these new joiners get to Fo and then Captain, they will also earn a little more than they do as SOs. Therefore, a 700sqft flat will not be their lot for life. It certainly isn't mine or any other LEP's.
True, very few live in 3-bed houses with gardens in Hong Kong. But for many, living in a city makes up for the lack of space. I choose not to commute because I like being in a city. In not many cities in the world could you afford that same house+garden lifestyle.
MrFusion
Still no-one has attempted to answer my simple question - is there a better deal out there? I've been looking (albeit from the perspective of one with some seniority), but haven't found one yet.
Yes, we all agree (and blimey has it been rammed down everyone's throat on here) that the package is not what it once was (for those able to join on expat terms). It's still a lot better deal than many out there.
Some have said go the low-cost cadet route - the choice between a) paying for their own training and then doing 6 sectors a day on 319s or 737s flying to some scummy airport in Eastern Europe, and b) having your entire training paid for, then flying long-haul on shiny jets isn't really a choice at all for many is it? If you think about it, and are honest with yourselves, if you were offered the same choice at the same age as these guys, wouldn't you have at least considered it?
Short-term approach, maybe, but who can guarantee a long-term career any more?
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Originally Posted by Dan Buster
Ha! You confuse anger with pitiful despair at the bottom feeders who want to keep digging lower.
You applied and FAILED a far far lower standard of interview than your predecessors!!
Yes, a failured nuclear engineer & now failed iCadet. Hide all loose & sharp objects when depressed, my 2 cents worth.
And yet you ASK / BEG to be treated like this?! What's more argue against the likes of us trying say the same damn thing! We know it, see it, and oppose it. You know it, see it & seek to be a part of it. Such integrity? Or more of a sell-out?
I & many thousands of pilots have one for you.
So you "understand" the negative comments you say? Obviously you say one thing but do another. Maybe the personality psych testing revealed too much in the CX interview?
"Everything good with them" you say. No. The wannabe but failed sell-outs like you have & continue to ensure things will not be the same & our collective terms & conditions are lowered.
And yet STILL you applied & chased it! And what's more tell others to do the same? You tell others to take what you laugh at. Do you have any character or integrity at all?
Ummm..... But wasn't it CX who told YOU "to f*** (yourself) and find a new job"????
Such wisdom. Join low & hope? "Better (LONG TERM) opportunities"? Dozens of posts highlighting them but laziness, ignorance, naivety & arrogance prevents anyone from looking.
So, there's the caliber of iCadet failure offering advice & direction. Fella, if you're going to granstand have the runs on the board first.
So, there's the caliber of iCadet failure offering advice & direction. Fella, if you're going to granstand have the runs on the board first.
...and game, set, match to ChinaBeached Nice Slam Dunk Sir
... and this isn't a real game...
... Sigh.
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Still no-one has attempted to answer my simple question - is there a better deal out there?
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Well you got me on a typo! Odd that you found that one but nothing in my post from 21st May. Genius.
And my thousands of usernames? Clutching at straws now! Nah, just the one but have fun going back through those posts. It may be the most study you've done in years! (You may even find a typo to hang an argument on....)
Nuclear engineer, guess not. iCadet, guess not. A lower paying job to handcuff yourself into even lower terms & conditions to arrogantly back slap yourself over & vainly screw over as many other pilots as possible? I'm sure with this demonstrated ignorant determination you persue failure with, you'll find one.
Can you please post your blog for all to see? Have watched "An Idiot Abroad", now some humour to pass the time: "An Idiot Who Soars"? How much wisdom can a failure offer the world? Consistency??
Lastly, yanky boy, say "buoy". Now say "buoyancy". Yeah..... Your grasp of English is an envy!!!!
And my thousands of usernames? Clutching at straws now! Nah, just the one but have fun going back through those posts. It may be the most study you've done in years! (You may even find a typo to hang an argument on....)
But what I'm looking for is different than most people.
Can you please post your blog for all to see? Have watched "An Idiot Abroad", now some humour to pass the time: "An Idiot Who Soars"? How much wisdom can a failure offer the world? Consistency??
Lastly, yanky boy, say "buoy". Now say "buoyancy". Yeah..... Your grasp of English is an envy!!!!
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They've already improved the package once. No where near enough, but they did improve it. So it works in practise too guys. Hold off joining until we are all on equal terms!
It's called supply and demand, it's an essential component of a free market.
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Let's try and agree somewhere first:
Agreed! More money is always good. But this iCadet programme started being advertised way before last year, even though they only recently improved it. And we did have a recession recently - not a long one, admittedly, but we didn't know that at the time. P.S. We also got a long overdue pay-rise recently, but I know that shouldn't be mentioned...
As I've explained before, my contract has just been improved, not degraded. Future contracts can't be degraded, as they don't exist yet. They are matching mine, in face. However, I am with you 100% when it comes to not wanting to see my fellow pilots' contracts degraded, and will be standing by you if it comes to that. But it hasn't yet.
Again, they won't be doing the job for less than me. The exact same, in fact. As I say above, though, if they attempt to reduce your contract to match ours, I'd be with you 100% - that's not something you signed up for.
Sadly, this is where we disagree - this IS a long-term career for me, and for many others already here in the same boat. It does signal the death-knell for expatriate terms, no doubt, but as I've said repeatedly here, it's still a good package.
As I understand it, the company has to pay equal terms to everyone now that the possibility of race discrimination is out there. So, the company can do one of two things: 1) pay everyone expat terms, be they from HK or elsewhere, or 2) pay everyone into the future on local terms, whatever they are. I'd love 1), absolutely, but I've never imagined it was a realistic goal - the company was never going to pay me expat benefits when I'm not an expat. I'm also pretty sure that would mean the end of the cadet programme - why would they bother training people from scratch if they could hire who they wanted onto expat terms? Maybe no bad thing for someone like yourself, but someone like me wouldn't be here if that had happened. I preferred to have a job on local terms than no job at all. CX was the only realistic option into flying for me.
This whole argument, I think, boils down to your perspective: if you've joined on expat terms, you can't understand how anyone could want to join on less, and you fear for your own conditions. Totally understand - really I do. If, however, you've never had expat terms, you look and think: ok, it's not what it might have been had I been able to join a few years ago, but is it still a good package? To that, I, and many others, would say yes.
You are missing the main point to all this. First off, why does CX even need an icadet program on a degraded contract? They made BILLIONS in profit last year. If anything thing the conditions should be getting better for ALL OF US, not worse! I shudder to think what they will throw at us when a recession actually hits.
I am concerned that you, as a current CX pilot, think that the degradation of our future colleagues contracts is ok. This is a dangerous approach, as it puts your contract and my contract under heavy pressure to be reduced, and certainly not improved.
How will you and I maintain or better our own contracts, when we have guys sitting beside us, doing the same job for much less?
Every guy that we convince to hold off and wait, puts pressure on CX to improve this crappy icadet contract to the original S/O terms and conditions. Have some pride in your profession and fight for it to be a viable long term career for us AND for the guys who wish to join us, don't just sit back and watch it rot away.
As I understand it, the company has to pay equal terms to everyone now that the possibility of race discrimination is out there. So, the company can do one of two things: 1) pay everyone expat terms, be they from HK or elsewhere, or 2) pay everyone into the future on local terms, whatever they are. I'd love 1), absolutely, but I've never imagined it was a realistic goal - the company was never going to pay me expat benefits when I'm not an expat. I'm also pretty sure that would mean the end of the cadet programme - why would they bother training people from scratch if they could hire who they wanted onto expat terms? Maybe no bad thing for someone like yourself, but someone like me wouldn't be here if that had happened. I preferred to have a job on local terms than no job at all. CX was the only realistic option into flying for me.
This whole argument, I think, boils down to your perspective: if you've joined on expat terms, you can't understand how anyone could want to join on less, and you fear for your own conditions. Totally understand - really I do. If, however, you've never had expat terms, you look and think: ok, it's not what it might have been had I been able to join a few years ago, but is it still a good package? To that, I, and many others, would say yes.
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Fusion, you've been spanked, now take it like a man for once
Woof, your just another one trying to justify the current T and Cs. Due to a lack of response, they HAD to increase them by adding the housing component. How long do you think they could wait if they had no one applying before they resorted to another increase? Supply is YOU, demand is from them...you take away your supply, they must increase the contract to attract you back. At the current rate, it would not be long at all, and I am talking weeks rather than months.
Woof, your just another one trying to justify the current T and Cs. Due to a lack of response, they HAD to increase them by adding the housing component. How long do you think they could wait if they had no one applying before they resorted to another increase? Supply is YOU, demand is from them...you take away your supply, they must increase the contract to attract you back. At the current rate, it would not be long at all, and I am talking weeks rather than months.
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Has anyone here mentioned that any cadet with +1500 hours gets to keep the remainder of their training allowance which, by a rough calculation, equates to (at worst) around 50'000GBP by my reckoning.
That sure goes some way to making up for the lack of housing allowance.
VFE.
That sure goes some way to making up for the lack of housing allowance.
VFE.
Has anyone here mentioned that any cadet with +1500 hours gets to keep the remainder of their training allowance which, by a rough calculation, equates to (at worst) around 50'000GBP by my reckoning.
That sure goes some way to making up for the lack of housing allowance.
VFE.
That sure goes some way to making up for the lack of housing allowance.
VFE.
Mr Fusion I'm not going to highlight and quote from your posts but plain and simple you are an idiot. You defend yourself with stupid comments but you just make yourself look like more of an idiot. Did it occur to you that by accepting a cheap contract flying a RJ in the US is the reason why you are a still cheap pilot flying an RJ and you want to do the same at CX..
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Let's see the bigger picture. The International Cadet program combined with the Hong Kong Pilot Allowance (HKPA) is CX's long-term plan to slowly reduce bases. In 10-15 years more than 50% of all pilots will be on HKPA terms. A HKPA pilot doesn't cost the company more than a based guy, actually at the moment a HKPA pilot is cheaper considering whats going on with the bases at the moment.
I have no problem with CX paying less for less experienced applicants. However, let's face it being on different contracts and housing schemes divides the pilot group. While us on B-scale and expat benefits want to improve Pay, Rostering and working conditions the HKPA group will focus on improving housing as this would be the main financial gain for them.
As soon as HKPA pilots are representing the majority of the CX pilot group, they might see improvements to their HKPA while the now minority of pilots on expatriate terms will see no improvements on the items they see their priority, like pay for example. Similar what happened to the A-scalers.
That is probably the main reason why most CX pilots posting here opposing the ICadet program.
Most ICadet applicants probably haven't had much exposure to the airline industry and just see the positive like getting a sponsored pilots license, travel the world, flying a widebody jet etc.
I highly recommend for potential applicants to read the book "The 49ers - The True Story" from John Warham. Things haven't changed that much. At least you know then what to expect for the next 30 - 35 years at CX.
I have no problem with CX paying less for less experienced applicants. However, let's face it being on different contracts and housing schemes divides the pilot group. While us on B-scale and expat benefits want to improve Pay, Rostering and working conditions the HKPA group will focus on improving housing as this would be the main financial gain for them.
As soon as HKPA pilots are representing the majority of the CX pilot group, they might see improvements to their HKPA while the now minority of pilots on expatriate terms will see no improvements on the items they see their priority, like pay for example. Similar what happened to the A-scalers.
That is probably the main reason why most CX pilots posting here opposing the ICadet program.
Most ICadet applicants probably haven't had much exposure to the airline industry and just see the positive like getting a sponsored pilots license, travel the world, flying a widebody jet etc.
I highly recommend for potential applicants to read the book "The 49ers - The True Story" from John Warham. Things haven't changed that much. At least you know then what to expect for the next 30 - 35 years at CX.
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Originally Posted by ChinaBeached
Well you got me on a typo! Odd that you found that one but nothing in my post from 21st May. Genius.
And my thousands of usernames? Clutching at straws now! Nah, just the one...
Nuclear engineer, guess not. iCadet, guess not. A lower paying job to handcuff yourself into even lower terms & conditions to arrogantly back slap yourself over & vainly screw over as many other pilots as possible? I'm sure with this demonstrated ignorant determination you persue failure with, you'll find one.
Can you please post your blog for all to see? Have watched "An Idiot Abroad", now some humour to pass the time: "An Idiot Who Soars"? How much wisdom can a failure offer the world? Consistency??
Can you please post your blog for all to see? Have watched "An Idiot Abroad", now some humour to pass the time: "An Idiot Who Soars"? How much wisdom can a failure offer the world? Consistency??
Lastly, yanky boy, say "buoy". Now say "buoyancy". Yeah..... Your grasp of English is an envy!!!!
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Fusion, you've been spanked, now take it like a man for once
My shoulder's always available for you to cry on buddy.
Originally Posted by flyhardmo
Mr Fusion I'm not going to highlight and quote from your posts but plain and simple you are an idiot. You defend yourself with stupid comments but you just make yourself look like more of an idiot. Did it occur to you that by accepting a cheap contract flying a RJ in the US is the reason why you are a still cheap pilot flying an RJ and you want to do the same at CX..
Hmm, so I accepted a "cheap" RJ contract job. I wonder what I was thinking OH YES there are no "good paying" RJ jobs in the USA! Obviously I should blame myself because I took the job...
... Nah, instead I should blame the real culprit: Corporate greed that has crunched the numbers and realized that aircraft incidents, accidents or even loss of life is acceptable risk compared to the profit saved on labor costs.
AND WE'VE COME FULL CIRCLE...
This is exactly what Cathay is thinking with their Cadet Pilot Programme and their double SO long-haul crew concept. Why waste another dime on labor when you've already invested in the safest, most advanced aircraft available, flying under the protection of a safe and reliable air traffic control system? Mmmmm I smell larger bonuses for management, yay!
And unfortunately, this is the new reality and it is here to stay. If most Cathay pilots were that disturbed by the CPP package, they would put their jobs on the line instead of their mouths. But like USA legacy carriers and the regional airline industry they initially endorsed, they know not what they do...
Like yourself and everyone else in this thread, I don't like it one bit. However the difference is I wouldn't EVER discourage anyone to reject an interview or hold back an application. I'd rather see someone make their own informed decision rather than be bullied by a group of cowardly anonymous internet egos who may/may not be pilots. As I've mentioned before, I have no stake in this: I am only here to offer information.
...And feed the trolls.
BECAUSE IT'S FUN!!! And I know you're enjoying this as much as I am... right?
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Well you've sunk to a new low. Accusations of racism are pathetic & cheap even for the likes of you. You attempted to ridicule my typo as poor English skills & I gave evidence as to yours.You bought mention & reference toward my nationality & I did yours to compare & contrast English styles YOU raised argument about. In turn you fly the flag of racism when you have no argument.
You failed at your iCadet interview & boast of it to the height of arrogance of being able help others with your blog. Those of us with experience of CX, the interview processes, the airline culture over more than your pitiful & failed grasp, who value our profession & self worth who know from experience and FACTS the bigger long term situation are trying protect our industry from the sell-outs like yourself.
You draw on an arguement of "racism"! You want to highlight facts as you see them. And based on what? The fart of experience you had of HK & CX, least of zero widebody jet industry knowledge or experience? And what's more you seek to continually boast about sharing such self proclaimed knowledge, facts & experience??!!
I'd be taking the advice of the zero hour 18 year old who SUCCEEDED where a 3000 HR TT, 2500 hr RJ FO FAILED.
You haven't the capacity to accept another's point of view, particularly those whom you asked & tried to be colleagues with. Despite so many others telling you to shut up, you're wrong & your entire attitude reeks of shear single minded conceipt & arrogance, you continue.
You've reached the MDA, you've been told to go-around by your vastly more experienced colleague sitting beside you yet you know better & continue to descend, eh??!! 'Cause that's exactly what you're doing here. You'll argue into a CFIT due your arrogant nature.
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Wow! From what self-appointed grandeur to you speak from? The ATC over Calicut, India, Indonesia, polar nav & comms, NAT crossings when HF is unreadable, Afghanistan terrain experience & procedures...... Not to mention differing aircraft makes, models & the Boeing vs Airbus vs... debates of software design????? Or by chance is it you have ZERO experience of any of this but argue from a position of dogged arrogance in the hope of satisfying a mis-placed self belief??
When the aircraft fails, when ATC is wrong & makes mistakes, when pilots make mistakes it is the not the likes of yourself any of us want to be near in the sky. Because after all, you'd be right & all the world wrong: even into the ground which is a higher level than the sewer you seek to stoop down to.
You failed at your iCadet interview & boast of it to the height of arrogance of being able help others with your blog. Those of us with experience of CX, the interview processes, the airline culture over more than your pitiful & failed grasp, who value our profession & self worth who know from experience and FACTS the bigger long term situation are trying protect our industry from the sell-outs like yourself.
You draw on an arguement of "racism"! You want to highlight facts as you see them. And based on what? The fart of experience you had of HK & CX, least of zero widebody jet industry knowledge or experience? And what's more you seek to continually boast about sharing such self proclaimed knowledge, facts & experience??!!
I'd be taking the advice of the zero hour 18 year old who SUCCEEDED where a 3000 HR TT, 2500 hr RJ FO FAILED.
You haven't the capacity to accept another's point of view, particularly those whom you asked & tried to be colleagues with. Despite so many others telling you to shut up, you're wrong & your entire attitude reeks of shear single minded conceipt & arrogance, you continue.
You've reached the MDA, you've been told to go-around by your vastly more experienced colleague sitting beside you yet you know better & continue to descend, eh??!! 'Cause that's exactly what you're doing here. You'll argue into a CFIT due your arrogant nature.
Lastly,
the safest, most advanced aircraft available, flying under the protection of a safe & reliable ATC
When the aircraft fails, when ATC is wrong & makes mistakes, when pilots make mistakes it is the not the likes of yourself any of us want to be near in the sky. Because after all, you'd be right & all the world wrong: even into the ground which is a higher level than the sewer you seek to stoop down to.
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Is this some kind of a debate competition? People applauding, taking sides and giving points? You should both accept the fact that you will never agree on ANY subject and move on, at least for the shake of this thread.
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I think the moderators gave up on this one as a lost cause a looong time ago. 
Does anyone know of a more mature forum (or thread) whereby potential candidates can actually discuss preparation for this scheme without the constant rhetoric from those against it?
Many thanks,
VFE.
Does anyone know of a more mature forum (or thread) whereby potential candidates can actually discuss preparation for this scheme without the constant rhetoric from those against it?
Many thanks,
VFE.
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VFE, there is enough decent information within this (admittedly) long thread for you to get to the final stage...I speak from personal experience.
FWIW, the Cadet scheme is FAR from perfect, and CX, like the UK major airline I work for can and have shown utter contempt for their employees (I have just read the 49ers book) - having said that, short of someone like BA starting their old cadet scheme and allowing you to actually fly the aircraft from day 1, rather than this P2X rating b*llocks, there's not a huge amount out there which is much better.
To be honest, the industry is heading for the gutter anyway...
FWIW, the Cadet scheme is FAR from perfect, and CX, like the UK major airline I work for can and have shown utter contempt for their employees (I have just read the 49ers book) - having said that, short of someone like BA starting their old cadet scheme and allowing you to actually fly the aircraft from day 1, rather than this P2X rating b*llocks, there's not a huge amount out there which is much better.
To be honest, the industry is heading for the gutter anyway...
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agreed, its true that there may not be much better cadetships out there... i just ask wannabes though, whats wrong with getting a job and self funding these days? with proper research and the right attitude, wannabes will realise that they are better off in the long run if they do the hard yards for a few years. the package really is far from perfect.
i used to be excited about this cpp and wanted to know EVERYTHING about CX (even about their escape routes, like why would i need to know them) and interview preparations! i probably learnt too much (from an icadet wannabes point of view), but it helped in making the informed decision to wait for the day direct entry opens again (i know its a long shot), rather than the day to get invited for stage 1 interview.
i suggest to anyone (i'm looking at you VFE), before investing your time (and possible money) into preparation for the interviews and what not, really do look at the facts and figures, and at least make an informed decision about going for this icadet program.
yes there is a bit of garbage on this thread but honestly some of those who are "against it" have some good reasons to back it up. if it weren't for those against it to give us insight on the real $hit (rather than just the sugar coated cx bull$hit), this thread would still be filled with hundreds of naive wannabes asking to PM each other when they wana catch up at the headland and hold hands for stage 2. the point im trying to make is, constructive criticism should not be perceived just as bad words in these discussions. think hard and clear about everything before singing such a contract!
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i used to be excited about this cpp and wanted to know EVERYTHING about CX (even about their escape routes, like why would i need to know them) and interview preparations! i probably learnt too much (from an icadet wannabes point of view), but it helped in making the informed decision to wait for the day direct entry opens again (i know its a long shot), rather than the day to get invited for stage 1 interview.
i suggest to anyone (i'm looking at you VFE), before investing your time (and possible money) into preparation for the interviews and what not, really do look at the facts and figures, and at least make an informed decision about going for this icadet program.
without the constant rhetoric from those against it?
my 2cents
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to wait for the day direct entry opens again (i know its a long shot)
So, whilst I appreciate you feel the current deal isn't right for you and you turned it down, effectively waiting for a better one - I'm just not sure you'll find one unless you go looking in the sandpit.
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Orwell:
Point taken & I agree. But regrettably you have to fight fire with fire. Allowing a self-appointed omniscient guy preaching rubbish that he obviously has zero experience, knowledge or comprehension about is wrong. It influences others whereby overwhelming evidence that they are easily fooled or led.
VFE:
You have a "dream" & seek "the fairy tale". Well that's not "life". In life you have to slay a few dragons to get to climb the tower to get to the princess. Too many wannabes are trying to take the "free" express elevator to the tarted up, mutton dressed as lamb princess. What you'll find is a warted toad that you can't wait to kiss, but it will turn into an ugly, mean & greedy step sister taking advantage of you for the rest of your career. It's not all easy street as too many seek. That comes with the good AND the bad.
Voice:
So unlike your previous posts, you concede there are / could be better options out there? But as you note it takes people to get off their pretty & sweet comfort zone for a better LONG TERM prospect. GA offers OPTIONS when youve earned & own your own dedtiny as a result of thise hard earned credentials & experience. I'm talking 20-30 years long term which is a higher value than the age of many or most applicants. Hence this long term approach is too alien to them, and it isn't part of the first 5 pages of the fairy tale.
Point taken & I agree. But regrettably you have to fight fire with fire. Allowing a self-appointed omniscient guy preaching rubbish that he obviously has zero experience, knowledge or comprehension about is wrong. It influences others whereby overwhelming evidence that they are easily fooled or led.
VFE:
You have a "dream" & seek "the fairy tale". Well that's not "life". In life you have to slay a few dragons to get to climb the tower to get to the princess. Too many wannabes are trying to take the "free" express elevator to the tarted up, mutton dressed as lamb princess. What you'll find is a warted toad that you can't wait to kiss, but it will turn into an ugly, mean & greedy step sister taking advantage of you for the rest of your career. It's not all easy street as too many seek. That comes with the good AND the bad.
Voice:
So unlike your previous posts, you concede there are / could be better options out there? But as you note it takes people to get off their pretty & sweet comfort zone for a better LONG TERM prospect. GA offers OPTIONS when youve earned & own your own dedtiny as a result of thise hard earned credentials & experience. I'm talking 20-30 years long term which is a higher value than the age of many or most applicants. Hence this long term approach is too alien to them, and it isn't part of the first 5 pages of the fairy tale.
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Nope - my post said "I'm just not sure you'll find one unless you go looking in the sandpit." I never said there weren't any better deals, just that I hadn't found them!
To my mind, the deals in the sandpit may compensate (give) well, but take away a hell of lot more in other areas.
So unlike your previous posts, you concede there are / could be better options out there?
To my mind, the deals in the sandpit may compensate (give) well, but take away a hell of lot more in other areas.