Cathay Pacific Cadet Pilot Programme
...and just when those joining now may be looking at upgrade to F/O, Hong Kong International Airport will become slot-limited. This means that the aircraft may get bigger, but not more numerous, and upgrades will be into 'dead men's shoes'.
Unless they set up another hub in some other country willing to let a Hong Kong airline do that
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Unless they set up another hub in some other country willing to let a Hong Kong airline do that
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iCadets dreaming of basings
Gentlemen, the fundamental reason bases even exist within CX is cost-saving: CX spends so much for its HKG-expat housing that basing people around the world becomes the much cheaper option. Basings are a hassle (immigration/taxation/rostering issues etc etc) but worthwhile in order to save on housing costs.
If you accept to join CX in HKG without proper (indexed) expat housing, you have removed the very reason that makes it cost-effective for CX to offer bases.
If you haven't even joined this (Hong Kong-based) airline yet and you're already dreaming of basings, good luck to you... there are hundreds of far more senior FOs and SOs (and Captains!) who have been in the company for years waiting for a base ahead of you. While the company would save plenty of money by basing them, they won't save much by putting you on a base, so guess what? They won't.
If you accept to join CX in HKG without proper (indexed) expat housing, you have removed the very reason that makes it cost-effective for CX to offer bases.
If you haven't even joined this (Hong Kong-based) airline yet and you're already dreaming of basings, good luck to you... there are hundreds of far more senior FOs and SOs (and Captains!) who have been in the company for years waiting for a base ahead of you. While the company would save plenty of money by basing them, they won't save much by putting you on a base, so guess what? They won't.
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why is it wrong of me to ask how long a base outside of HK would take?
Is that not the purpose of the forums, to inquire on things we do not know about cx before accepting an offer. I now understand that it will take a decade at the minimum to get on a base in north america/europe. That will def. have a factor on my decision to get on with cx. I don't quite agree with this mentality that one should not look past at living in hk for the rest of your career. If cx is a means for you to be able to be part of a great career company and be able to live in your home base than for sure!! Why not stick it out in hk for 5 years or so. That would be great, and maybe that was the case before. However that does not seem to be the case now, and therefore im not interested...period. I'm sure most pilots before were planning on staying for as little time as they could in hk regardless of whatever housing allowance they got, assuming hk was not their home base of course.
Please try and understand that this is comming from someone who has time and would be doing the quick transition to SO. Also I say all of this in thinking that they will never bring back the deso or defo. They will always find a way to find cadets, they will lower their acceptace standards before they will increase TC'S. This is how airlines operate and I find through my experience that management can be very vindictive. Before they will show you that they are wrong they will lower whatever standards that can to prove their point. If they arent getting enough cadets now it is simply because they haven passed their standards. They will find a way, and lowering acceptance standards will be the first. Most of you will say, im wrong due to the fact that have added this HKPA which was a result of nobody accepting their offer, and maybe if this continues they will add another 10,000, and thats always better, but that will most likely be it , if that.
My advice would be to take the current offer if you are truly ok with living in hk for the rest of your career. The offer wont get much better.
It's actually an amazing opportunity IMHO if you're in your ealry 20's. Sure it might be tough making ends meet with the cost of living, and perhaps that is how you'll gain your life experience, and again IMO that's better than flying experience.
It will get better as you put your time in. As someone said on a previous post, you may even be surprised.
Hope for the best, but expect the worst!
my two cents anyways,
its a sad thing
Another question! are waiting times for fo basing the same on the freighter? or is all the same.
thanx again
Is that not the purpose of the forums, to inquire on things we do not know about cx before accepting an offer. I now understand that it will take a decade at the minimum to get on a base in north america/europe. That will def. have a factor on my decision to get on with cx. I don't quite agree with this mentality that one should not look past at living in hk for the rest of your career. If cx is a means for you to be able to be part of a great career company and be able to live in your home base than for sure!! Why not stick it out in hk for 5 years or so. That would be great, and maybe that was the case before. However that does not seem to be the case now, and therefore im not interested...period. I'm sure most pilots before were planning on staying for as little time as they could in hk regardless of whatever housing allowance they got, assuming hk was not their home base of course.
Please try and understand that this is comming from someone who has time and would be doing the quick transition to SO. Also I say all of this in thinking that they will never bring back the deso or defo. They will always find a way to find cadets, they will lower their acceptace standards before they will increase TC'S. This is how airlines operate and I find through my experience that management can be very vindictive. Before they will show you that they are wrong they will lower whatever standards that can to prove their point. If they arent getting enough cadets now it is simply because they haven passed their standards. They will find a way, and lowering acceptance standards will be the first. Most of you will say, im wrong due to the fact that have added this HKPA which was a result of nobody accepting their offer, and maybe if this continues they will add another 10,000, and thats always better, but that will most likely be it , if that.
My advice would be to take the current offer if you are truly ok with living in hk for the rest of your career. The offer wont get much better.
It's actually an amazing opportunity IMHO if you're in your ealry 20's. Sure it might be tough making ends meet with the cost of living, and perhaps that is how you'll gain your life experience, and again IMO that's better than flying experience.
It will get better as you put your time in. As someone said on a previous post, you may even be surprised.
Hope for the best, but expect the worst!
my two cents anyways,
its a sad thing
Another question! are waiting times for fo basing the same on the freighter? or is all the same.
thanx again
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After following this thread for over a year, to put it ALL together in one ball, this is what I consider to be the iCadet program. Please note in no way am I degrading or promoting this program, just a keen observer pointing out some facts.
You finish your training in ADL after the time of your course, 61 weeks for ab-initio, 30 weeks for advanced with more than 250hrs and a CPL, 12 weeks for transition with ATPLs + 1500hrs. During these times you will be getting an allowance of AUD$100 a week.
Children's Education Allowance
Officers with the rank of First Officer or higher and living in HK are paid a children's education allowance. This equates to 50% of education costs for children aged 3 -4 years. For children aged between 5 and 18 years attending a recognized International School in HK, Cathay will reimburse 75% of the rate for the International School, or 90% of the rate for ESF schools (Primary or Secondary, as appropriate) in HK, whichever rate is the higher.
Retirement/Provident Fund
Cathay Pacific contributes the equivalent of 15.5% of its officer's salary into the Provident Fund. Officers may also elect to transfer the benefit entitlements from previous employment to the Provident Fund.
Travel and Rebated Cargo Benefits
After the applicable qualifying period, concessional travel on Cathay Pacific and most other major arilines will be available to officers and their spouses. Officer's parents will also enjoy discounts of Cathay Pacific flights. In addition, employees are entitled to a bookable free return no-subload ticket of a Cathay Pacific flight each year. Rebated Cargo is a staff benefit offered for staff to ship cargo at a discounted freight charge.
Loss of Licence Insurance
Cathay Pacific insures the Officer's flying licence to a maximum of 24 months salary.
Death Benefit
Cathay Pacific insures for the death of an officer equivalent to the sum of 60 months' salary.
Medical and Dental Benefits
The medical scheme covers consultations, medication, surgery and hospitalisation charges at a company appointed panel of doctors and at recommended hospitals. The dental plan is an optional benefit which provides access to comprehensive dental care in HK. You may select from a choice of three dental clinics and the specific treatments and procedures that are covered under the plan. Such benefits may also be extended to your spouse and dependants.
Travel Insurance
This optional benefit pays for loss of cash or personal belongings, the cancellation of a pre-paid holiday or unexpected medical treatment anywhere in the world for you, your spouse and dependants.
Critical Illness Insurance
This optional insurance will pay a cash benefit if you are diagnosed with a critical illness.
Income Protection Insurance
This optional insurance provides up to 50% of your salary if you become disabled and are unable to work for an extended period.
Housing Allowance
HKD$10,000
As an SO, you will be given a P2X rating on the aircraft you fly. The training that SOs are given for their P2X rating includes everything a new FO would receive, except they are not given base training (takeoff and landing training in the real aircraft), since they are only allowed to operate at altitudes of 10,000ft or above.
SOs log their P2X hours with this:
(flight time - 1.5 hours) divided by 2 for an ultra-long haul flight (4 crew), and (flight time - 1.5 hours) times two thirds for a three-crew flight.
SOs are on the B744, B773ER, A340 and A330
Airbus SOs do a cross crew qualification course which allows them to operate A330 and A340 after a year on the A340
B744 SOs can do a difference course to operate on both pax and freight versions
Not sure any more about “TEMP BASES for SOs”, anyone want to shed some info on that?
Upon upgrade to JFO you will start off by doing short haul sectors, basically doing duties of a FO for less pay.
Rough figures for a 1st year SO:
Income: $398148
Taxation
Tax free Threshold (Single):$108000
1st 40000 2%: $800
2nd 40000 7%: $2800
3rd 40000 12%: $4800
Remainder ($170148) 17%: $28925 (excluding Hourly Duty Pay, 13th month & Profit Share)
Total: $37325
Provisional Tax (First year only & depending when you start in Hong Kong): $41057
Gross tax: $78382 (19.7% of gross salary)
Net salary: $319766 or $26647 per month
Spending/month
Rent: $5000 (on top of $10,000 allowance which makes it $15,000)
Food: $4000
Home Phone: $500
Mobile: $120
Internet: $200
Electricity: $1000
Gas: $300
Water: $150
Public Transport: $1000
Miscellaneous: $3000
Total: $15270
To settle all the debates and arguments regarding this iCadet program, the reason why all the current CX pilots are so against this is because CX has a history for changing T&Cs when they see fit. To make sure you all understand, the A scalers back in the day used to get good pay, good packages (like one free annual first class ticket for each family member). Then new joiners were not offered these “very good” T&Cs, meanwhile the current ones didn’t complain but CX changed their T&Cs to the newer lower ones. I don’t need to be a 20 year CX pilot to see how things have changed.
These were all just rough figures and are in no way exact representations. Anyone feel free to correct me if I am wrong, and add any more points that I may have missed.
That’s it folks there you have it
. Think long and hard about all the factors before considering the iCadet program, especially those with spouses or kids or lots of flying experience.
You finish your training in ADL after the time of your course, 61 weeks for ab-initio, 30 weeks for advanced with more than 250hrs and a CPL, 12 weeks for transition with ATPLs + 1500hrs. During these times you will be getting an allowance of AUD$100 a week.
Children's Education Allowance
Officers with the rank of First Officer or higher and living in HK are paid a children's education allowance. This equates to 50% of education costs for children aged 3 -4 years. For children aged between 5 and 18 years attending a recognized International School in HK, Cathay will reimburse 75% of the rate for the International School, or 90% of the rate for ESF schools (Primary or Secondary, as appropriate) in HK, whichever rate is the higher.
Retirement/Provident Fund
Cathay Pacific contributes the equivalent of 15.5% of its officer's salary into the Provident Fund. Officers may also elect to transfer the benefit entitlements from previous employment to the Provident Fund.
Travel and Rebated Cargo Benefits
After the applicable qualifying period, concessional travel on Cathay Pacific and most other major arilines will be available to officers and their spouses. Officer's parents will also enjoy discounts of Cathay Pacific flights. In addition, employees are entitled to a bookable free return no-subload ticket of a Cathay Pacific flight each year. Rebated Cargo is a staff benefit offered for staff to ship cargo at a discounted freight charge.
Loss of Licence Insurance
Cathay Pacific insures the Officer's flying licence to a maximum of 24 months salary.
Death Benefit
Cathay Pacific insures for the death of an officer equivalent to the sum of 60 months' salary.
Medical and Dental Benefits
The medical scheme covers consultations, medication, surgery and hospitalisation charges at a company appointed panel of doctors and at recommended hospitals. The dental plan is an optional benefit which provides access to comprehensive dental care in HK. You may select from a choice of three dental clinics and the specific treatments and procedures that are covered under the plan. Such benefits may also be extended to your spouse and dependants.
Travel Insurance
This optional benefit pays for loss of cash or personal belongings, the cancellation of a pre-paid holiday or unexpected medical treatment anywhere in the world for you, your spouse and dependants.
Critical Illness Insurance
This optional insurance will pay a cash benefit if you are diagnosed with a critical illness.
Income Protection Insurance
This optional insurance provides up to 50% of your salary if you become disabled and are unable to work for an extended period.
Housing Allowance
HKD$10,000
As an SO, you will be given a P2X rating on the aircraft you fly. The training that SOs are given for their P2X rating includes everything a new FO would receive, except they are not given base training (takeoff and landing training in the real aircraft), since they are only allowed to operate at altitudes of 10,000ft or above.
SOs log their P2X hours with this:
(flight time - 1.5 hours) divided by 2 for an ultra-long haul flight (4 crew), and (flight time - 1.5 hours) times two thirds for a three-crew flight.
SOs are on the B744, B773ER, A340 and A330
Airbus SOs do a cross crew qualification course which allows them to operate A330 and A340 after a year on the A340
B744 SOs can do a difference course to operate on both pax and freight versions
Not sure any more about “TEMP BASES for SOs”, anyone want to shed some info on that?
Upon upgrade to JFO you will start off by doing short haul sectors, basically doing duties of a FO for less pay.
Rough figures for a 1st year SO:
Income: $398148
Taxation
Tax free Threshold (Single):$108000
1st 40000 2%: $800
2nd 40000 7%: $2800
3rd 40000 12%: $4800
Remainder ($170148) 17%: $28925 (excluding Hourly Duty Pay, 13th month & Profit Share)
Total: $37325
Provisional Tax (First year only & depending when you start in Hong Kong): $41057
Gross tax: $78382 (19.7% of gross salary)
Net salary: $319766 or $26647 per month
Spending/month
Rent: $5000 (on top of $10,000 allowance which makes it $15,000)
Food: $4000
Home Phone: $500
Mobile: $120
Internet: $200
Electricity: $1000
Gas: $300
Water: $150
Public Transport: $1000
Miscellaneous: $3000
Total: $15270
To settle all the debates and arguments regarding this iCadet program, the reason why all the current CX pilots are so against this is because CX has a history for changing T&Cs when they see fit. To make sure you all understand, the A scalers back in the day used to get good pay, good packages (like one free annual first class ticket for each family member). Then new joiners were not offered these “very good” T&Cs, meanwhile the current ones didn’t complain but CX changed their T&Cs to the newer lower ones. I don’t need to be a 20 year CX pilot to see how things have changed.
These were all just rough figures and are in no way exact representations. Anyone feel free to correct me if I am wrong, and add any more points that I may have missed.
That’s it folks there you have it
. Think long and hard about all the factors before considering the iCadet program, especially those with spouses or kids or lots of flying experience.
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I know it is possible to roughly find out what we at CX get paid by searching the internet but please could you not publicly post our income on the internet. If you remove the pay scales but leave the rest I think people wont mind too much. Everyone knows roughly what it is if they have done their research and if they get offered the job they can see it like you posted (almost correct) and make a slightly more informed decision.
Thanks.
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Em777ER: I must say, well put together. I few numbers I believe a bit wayward on either side of the equation but by & large I believe closer to the penalty spot than ball park.
So, if you don't enjoy a night out on the town, a meal at a restaurant, holidays away from home for at least 10 years you may be able to afford a deposit on a property. Deposit only (30% of property value required). This is not considering inflation, etc. As per a previous post, maybe in 20-25 years you can own that same shoebox. Not counting the cost of kids or an unemployed spouse for perhaps 12 months.... That'll mean a bigger place for necessity, not as a luxury.
Now you've got to furnish that place. Around 3-4 months saving at least. Again, little to no room for much if at all else. Renovate? Keep multiplying!
All this on a NON-INDEXED "allowance", considering HK's 22% INCREASE in housing recently? This "opportunity" keeps getting better!! Hong Kong Rents Third Most Expensive in the World - Hong Kong - WSJ
A quiet night out in HK will set you back a min of $500 HKD. That x 4 is $2000 a month just to have a small percentage of what's called "quality of life". A meal at a half decent restaurant is not included.
Hope your Valentine enjoys Maccas Happy Meal vouchers & you learn to brew your own. This is the "opportunity" so many if you are desperate & blindly begging for.
So, if you don't enjoy a night out on the town, a meal at a restaurant, holidays away from home for at least 10 years you may be able to afford a deposit on a property. Deposit only (30% of property value required). This is not considering inflation, etc. As per a previous post, maybe in 20-25 years you can own that same shoebox. Not counting the cost of kids or an unemployed spouse for perhaps 12 months.... That'll mean a bigger place for necessity, not as a luxury.
Now you've got to furnish that place. Around 3-4 months saving at least. Again, little to no room for much if at all else. Renovate? Keep multiplying!
All this on a NON-INDEXED "allowance", considering HK's 22% INCREASE in housing recently? This "opportunity" keeps getting better!! Hong Kong Rents Third Most Expensive in the World - Hong Kong - WSJ
A quiet night out in HK will set you back a min of $500 HKD. That x 4 is $2000 a month just to have a small percentage of what's called "quality of life". A meal at a half decent restaurant is not included.
Hope your Valentine enjoys Maccas Happy Meal vouchers & you learn to brew your own. This is the "opportunity" so many if you are desperate & blindly begging for.
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CX Cadetship
I have been reading this forum with great interest and I have realised most CX pilots don't want us to join CX because of the poor T&C's.
Can you blame us (wannabes)? Who wouldn't say yes to an all expenses paid training to become a pilot? This is the cheapest way for some of us who can't afford the exorbitant price to becoming a pilot. Getting paid to eat sandwiches, hell, who cares, bottom line you get paid; even though it ain't enough in Hong Kong.
How many airlines take international students to be part of their cadet scheme?
The fact is that some of you pessimists don't want us there to share the experience of discovering the world without us doing anything in the cockpit.
Do some of you dorks think that living in a scoff tin apartment and eating rice and pig intestines, is really an issue for us wannabes?
Some of us don't have the required finance to get the flying licenses and that's why we have opted for the CX cadetship regardless of the unfair conditions. 6 yrs waiting to become a First Officer, it's really not an issue for some of us who are young
Fine, Hong Kong isn't the cheapest place on the planet and I don't argue with that but the fact that some of you are giving us advise about this bad cadet scheme is sickening.
If most of you dorks were in our shoes you would probably understand why we are joining this scheme.
Even if we wannabes got the licenses for flying after paying through our noses. Only God knows how long it will take us to get that first job.
Can you blame us (wannabes)? Who wouldn't say yes to an all expenses paid training to become a pilot? This is the cheapest way for some of us who can't afford the exorbitant price to becoming a pilot. Getting paid to eat sandwiches, hell, who cares, bottom line you get paid; even though it ain't enough in Hong Kong.
How many airlines take international students to be part of their cadet scheme?
The fact is that some of you pessimists don't want us there to share the experience of discovering the world without us doing anything in the cockpit. Do some of you dorks think that living in a scoff tin apartment and eating rice and pig intestines, is really an issue for us wannabes?
Some of us don't have the required finance to get the flying licenses and that's why we have opted for the CX cadetship regardless of the unfair conditions. 6 yrs waiting to become a First Officer, it's really not an issue for some of us who are young
Fine, Hong Kong isn't the cheapest place on the planet and I don't argue with that but the fact that some of you are giving us advise about this bad cadet scheme is sickening.
If most of you dorks were in our shoes you would probably understand why we are joining this scheme.
Even if we wannabes got the licenses for flying after paying through our noses. Only God knows how long it will take us to get that first job.
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Hi there boy I'm quoting and giving some reactions to you which you really have to nail in your brains!!
Listen you nazi pilot, okay this is maybe the cheapest way to become an airline pilot, but this hasn't really to be the reason to enroll this CPP! You have to be motivated, so motivated that you save every cent of your money for flight training! Guys like you which say that only the main reason is that the flight training is for 'free' make me sick of it! If you really want to be a member of the group, you have to be motivated!
Listen 'big' boy, these 'dorks' are professionals, and if you look on the left-top of this site, you read professional pilot rumours network, so these 'dorks' which says that the T&C's are like hell, can be true, but it can't also. Because the most things here on this site are rumours! And if you really do some (good) research you'll see the real benefits package and compare it with the T&C's which the 'dorks' are talking about, and then conclude if it is bull**** or not. I've done a lot of research, and these 'dorks' gave the right answers. But if you can live under these T&C's it is okay for you. And just learn this 'big' boy, these 'dorks' are captains with a lot of hours on the big jets, if you see these 'dorks' on the metro station, on your own flight to your vacation, or god knows where, you will drool!! You will lick their arse!! Don't call them 'dorks' because these are the people from which you really can learn something from!!
I'll say to you dearest, what do you want to do on the same seat for 6 years?? The first year 1 to 2 years are great! Listen, this is what I also hear from the real cadets in Adelaide and a few who are already a S/O on the 747, it is and it will be really boring after the 2 years, you think sitting back behind is fun? What did you want to do? Your pants off and suckin' your own d*ck? Come on dude, be an adult and show some professionality!!
The dork here on the location where you are (planet) is you.
Listen, to enroll this CPP you really have to be highly motivated. That is the main factor. If you are highly motivated, you will do your research, learn that booklet your arse off and do everything for CX!
No dearest, you are not motivated to be an airline pilot, you are motivated for FREE training you 'big' boy..
I hope God will forgive me for my unprofessionally words in this post, but this one really frustrated me..
I have been reading this forum with great interest and I have realised most CX pilots don't want us to join CX because of the poor T&C's.
Can you blame us (wannabes)? Who wouldn't say yes to an all expenses paid training to become a pilot? This is the cheapest way for some of us who can't afford the exorbitant price to becoming a pilot. Getting paid to eat sandwiches, hell, who cares, bottom line you get paid; even though it ain't enough in Hong Kong.
Can you blame us (wannabes)? Who wouldn't say yes to an all expenses paid training to become a pilot? This is the cheapest way for some of us who can't afford the exorbitant price to becoming a pilot. Getting paid to eat sandwiches, hell, who cares, bottom line you get paid; even though it ain't enough in Hong Kong.
How many airlines take international students to be part of their cadet scheme? The fact is that some of you pessimists don't want us there to share the experience of discovering the world without us doing anything in the cockpit.
Do some of you dorks think that living in a scoff tin apartment and eating rice and pig intestines, is really an issue for us wannabes?
The fact is that some of you pessimists don't want us there to share the experience of discovering the world without us doing anything in the cockpit. Do some of you dorks think that living in a scoff tin apartment and eating rice and pig intestines, is really an issue for us wannabes?
Some of us don't have the required finance to get the flying licenses and that's why we have opted for the CX cadetship regardless of the unfair conditions. 6 yrs waiting to become a First Officer, it's really not an issue for some of us who are young
Fine, Hong Kong isn't the cheapest place on the planet and I don't argue with that but the fact that some of you are giving us advise about this bad cadet scheme is sickening.
If most of you dorks were in our shoes you would probably understand why we are joining this scheme.
Even if we wannabes got the licenses for flying after paying through our noses. Only God knows how long it will take us to get that first job.
If most of you dorks were in our shoes you would probably understand why we are joining this scheme.
Even if we wannabes got the licenses for flying after paying through our noses. Only God knows how long it will take us to get that first job.
Listen, to enroll this CPP you really have to be highly motivated. That is the main factor. If you are highly motivated, you will do your research, learn that booklet your arse off and do everything for CX!
No dearest, you are not motivated to be an airline pilot, you are motivated for FREE training you 'big' boy..
I hope God will forgive me for my unprofessionally words in this post, but this one really frustrated me..
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Captain Weird,
What do you give a s$%t about what he does. Seems you took this dork accusation a little to close to heart. Either it is true or you just need to get a life. The guy is 17 years old. This opportunity for a 17 year old is great. He will be 23 by the time he's FO and even if it takes him 20 years to get on the left seat he will be 43! come on now, he will have made a good life for himself. If he gets through interviews that will have been enough and cx will see him as being motivated. I don't now how you equate his unwillingness to take the long route with lack of motivation. It's an opportunity!
You better get used to the fact that CX has decided to go through this route of excepting young guys! deal with it and maybe show them a few things.
Im sure it's not the first time someone called you a dork. I promise you it wont be the last either
It's a forum dont take it so personally.
What do you give a s$%t about what he does. Seems you took this dork accusation a little to close to heart. Either it is true or you just need to get a life. The guy is 17 years old. This opportunity for a 17 year old is great. He will be 23 by the time he's FO and even if it takes him 20 years to get on the left seat he will be 43! come on now, he will have made a good life for himself. If he gets through interviews that will have been enough and cx will see him as being motivated. I don't now how you equate his unwillingness to take the long route with lack of motivation. It's an opportunity!
You better get used to the fact that CX has decided to go through this route of excepting young guys! deal with it and maybe show them a few things.
Im sure it's not the first time someone called you a dork. I promise you it wont be the last either
It's a forum dont take it so personally.
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Solrac, I really don't now how you interpretate my post but I will explain some things..
That this is a huge opportunity for young guys, yes, we know. It is not bad, I don't blame him. But what he posts here is not really professionally, not? Calling captain dorks, is that wat you do? Do you find that ok?
I didn't like his statements to call the people from who we can learn from 'dorks'.. and I hope you won't call them dorks too.
I don't say to him that he must not apply at the scheme, if he wants this, he can give it a try, but yelling that this is a 'free' opportunity is not the best motivation to enroll this CPP..
And calling me a dork? C'me on, don't be stupid.. Don't take it personally, right..
That this is a huge opportunity for young guys, yes, we know. It is not bad, I don't blame him. But what he posts here is not really professionally, not? Calling captain dorks, is that wat you do? Do you find that ok?
I didn't like his statements to call the people from who we can learn from 'dorks'.. and I hope you won't call them dorks too.
I don't say to him that he must not apply at the scheme, if he wants this, he can give it a try, but yelling that this is a 'free' opportunity is not the best motivation to enroll this CPP..
And calling me a dork? C'me on, don't be stupid.. Don't take it personally, right
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:S the arguing is never going to end!
I have a quick question, with respect to flying in Flight sim, which of the default aircraft most closely represent the flying characteristics of the grob? Cessna, mooney etc?
Thanks!
I have a quick question, with respect to flying in Flight sim, which of the default aircraft most closely represent the flying characteristics of the grob? Cessna, mooney etc?
Thanks!
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captain.weird and all the other 'dorks'
Please do not for a second think that the narrow-minded and childish perspectives of slotsdown are representive of the viewpoints of ALL wannabes.
Please do not for a second think that the narrow-minded and childish perspectives of slotsdown are representive of the viewpoints of ALL wannabes.
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No need to apologise or feel responsible, in any way ,for another user.
Despite the tendency in this forum to stereotype either side (wanabees-current pilots), WE are responsible for OUR OWN posts!
No need to apologise or feel responsible, in any way ,for another user.
Despite the tendency in this forum to stereotype either side (wanabees-current pilots), WE are responsible for OUR OWN posts!