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Old 1st May 2007, 12:43
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right then… i guess ill just have to wait it out....

thanks for all the info guys… with finishing my degree in a month, I was really scared of having to wait till next year for another intake…. Phew….

Is there any particular advice you can give me in regards to securing a position? I did apply to the airforce here, but had to rescind since uni had started,… though it was difficult. the most difficult part of it would have to be general knowledge on current affairs. Eg. Who the current minister of health was. Is it to that extent to which I need to be informed of Philippine airlines, Philippines, and the local government? any other prep advice you guys can give me woul dbe much appreciated...

Also, with all the industry airlines encouraging the push towards MCPLs, its really got me considering taking the chance and going CIA should PAL not be able to accommodate me. So I have a question if someone would be able to help. Say I were to graduate both schools, which has better standing to the airlines? Someone who has been jet rated with only 70 hours actual flying experience, or someone with 200+ hours and not jet rated?

I too knows the pain of the wait…would be killing you guys…. but like you all said: “good things comes to those who wait”

So hopefully wont be too much longer…

See you all in PALav this September!!?!!

Thanks again!
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Old 1st May 2007, 12:59
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bluecrush

i do hope so mate that we will end up with good results.

sydav

as bluecrush mentioned you should really prepare your self to be physically fit such as proportionate height and weight, healthy well being is a must in order to get your self in at av school. prepare for the worst just kidding mate! to enlighten you with the process here is how it goes.

stage 1 orientation- the day pal av school will share you nice to know things. such as history, pictures and how the training goes. at the end and you feel like joining the corps of cadets. they will ask you to log on the specific day you want to have your interview. normally 5 diff days will be given interview scheds were morning and afternoon

stage 2 impact panel interview- you will be interviewed by not less than 5 persons from av school, flight ops dept,corporate affairs and ultimately hrd. take my word you have to IMPRESSED them that you will be a good pilot for pal.

if you passed you can proceed to stage3

stage 3 initial medical- weight, height and vision will be checked here sounds easy but not for everyone. you must pass and be approved by the pal medical.

stage 4 psychomotor - this will test your speed and accuracy

stage 5 psychological exam- long exam. blue crush and me stucked in here waiting for the results as of now.

stage 6 final medical- long process i think.. from what anasi shared. this will really determine if your fit to become a pilot literally in and out of your body.

then ranking of applicants. from i remember from engr.meneses top 20 will be 2007 alpha. corrections are welcome

to kurimaw

finish a bachelors degree, work experience is not necessary, but good scholastic record will matter. avoid to much 3, ultimately avoid 5!

good luck to us!
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Old 1st May 2007, 13:11
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regarding your inquiry which is better pal av or cia mpl here is a qoute from a senior in this thread. ( its choosing between a rigorous flying on the right seat of a320 or an easy fair job as an wide body SO)
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Old 1st May 2007, 13:27
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are there any concessions given to the course you have completed?

i know in my course there is a publically known failure rate of an average of 8 subjects throughout the course. which is kind of stupid when you think of it. since the course only accepts the top 5% of the state, and then in that percentage who do go on to study the course, there is a significantly high failure rate, as well as a significantly higher drop out rate. Of the 60 people i started my course with, only 6 are due to finish on time, another 4 next sem... and the rest staggered on to further years...

also, should you have graduated with honors, would that be of an advantage at all? or would it make no significance what you studied, and where. I was just wondering if standards were taken into consideration. also, with many carrer opportunities in my industry, people seem to use their final year thesis projects as a platform. now, does pal consider the same? or do thesis projects regardless of cost/matter make no impact? haha just wondering, cos im in the final stages of thesis completion, and was wondering if i should pitch it a little to impress the airline execs, rather than industry engineers.

ahh soo many questions soo little time..... i should just head over there asap... haha. you guys have been all too kind to respond to my queries. many thanks!
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Old 1st May 2007, 17:44
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kurimaw,

well its up to you coz it really wont matter what college degree you have when you want to be a pilot. true, AMT subjs are really old and thats because aircraft systems and technology are also old. for me, its just a matter of what kinds of things you want to learn and what would keep you driven while earning your degree. hehe yeah i know most instructors in PATTS has a price but its really up to you if you want to learn or get your tuitions worth.

and let me tell you that when you apply for PAL av you will also pay more or less 10thou for the medical and psychological tests.

hmm... if im not mistaken, your training manuals are for the flight crew of an A320 and B747-400. lufthansa technik philippines is an MRO station w/c means maintenance, repair and overhaul facility. i dont think it would be necessary to read it coz you wont actually fly the plane there. but it would also pay to be familiar with various a/c systems and operations so you wont annoy chief mechanics by asking too much questions like when i was there hehe!

no, LTP does not require their trainees to be familiar with the a/c, once you are in you will soon realize that people working there are very understanding. they will teach you everything you need to know and will always be in a mechanics side untill you gain their trust, then they will leave you to do the work (sometimes alone) while they drink coffee and smoke outside the hangar hehe!

you can familiarize yourself with any a/c type or model, its all up to you but don't memorize it all! thats why it is S.O.P. for mechanics to check the maintenance manual, task cards, illustrated parts catalog, ATA chapters etc. while working just to be sure they won't miss any procedures.

sydav,

i don't think PAL will ask you about your thesis when you apply here. but that really depends on the panelists in your interview. they may ask awkward questions depending on their mood. but if you are qualified and they see determination in you, then im sure they will give you a chance.

dj852 & anansi_boy,

hehe im looking forward to seeing you guys in clark hehe! anansi, can you tell me what kind of eye tests they conducted on your final medical?
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Old 2nd May 2007, 02:51
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bluecrush198.......


proceeding to a degree is a good advantage....
but earning money to support your flying carrer..
is most needed........2M...




i've downloaded this manual because, every seminar that the our organization given to us....there is always a missing piece......



like the seminar of landing gear of 747-400 and A320....given to us last feb...

the (xerox)manuals about the landing gear that given to us.........
only the structures and assembly...and parts....
and the missing piece is landing gear operation in the cockpit....

for ex.....the nose steering tiller....overrides the rudder
and other ECIAS display that didn't mention in our seminar....



LTP is a good company specially in maintenance.....
i hope that reading the important part of aircraft manual
related to maintenace...good enough to have idea and to related if the senoir mechanic asks me a questions....


bluecrush198...?


during your training....what rating that you familiarized most????
CFM,CF6, APU or Composit and repair?



dj852...............


finish a bachelors degree, work experience is not necessary, but good scholastic record will matter. avoid to much 3, ultimately avoid 5!



that's true......ultimately AVOID 5 and avoid too much 3
getting a grade of 5 is damn


but right now.......


patience is the best thing that i can do right now....going to my career as a pilot.....(step-by-step)

wait and see what happends in future...


thanks for all advices....



goodluck and happy flying!!!
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Old 2nd May 2007, 05:04
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blue crush

any news?
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Old 2nd May 2007, 06:41
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Hey guys!

Eye tests done include far vision, colour vision and depth perception. It's a lot like the initial medical process.

I think having good grades is a measure of your ability and discipline. In my humble opinion, these are traits that every pilot must have. Graduating with honors may not seem to be important, but it won't hurt to have additional 'impact' points during your interview.

A tip that might help other applicants is focusing on one stage of the process at a time. Think positive but always be prepared for the worst, life will be a lot easier.
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Old 2nd May 2007, 07:33
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kurimaw,

well we cant really expect much from the organizers of seminars coz they are always under budget and they are not professionals but merely students like you. and i think 1 day of seminar will not be sufficient to cover the whole B747 landing gear subject but its just to familiarize you how it works. believe me, when your in LTP senior mechs will not be the one asking questions, it will be you bro! when i was there i really did not focus on 1 system like powerplant, fuels, hydraulics or structures. i was exposed to all systems, they would assign me where they needed more manpower.

dj852,

hehe i called sir narmon earlier but he said no new results of the psycho exam are in yet he said he will inform the applicants who passed. maybe tom "daw" but he's not sure. right now im trying to keep my weight down hehe and i might have my blood tested tom just to be prepared.

anansi_boy,

thank for the info! i'm kinda worried about using the PC too much it might affect my vision but if its similar to the initial medical we had i dont think it would be a problem hehe!
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Old 2nd May 2007, 08:42
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anansi

during the final medical are there exams which will be done by pal medical? goodluck to you bro.

blue crush

im setting my mind that results should come at the end of the week so ill not be expecting it everyday.

to all us hope for the best and prepare for the worst.

some day w'ell be in the skies.
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Old 2nd May 2007, 11:29
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where's everybody from?

I'm, just trying to get a general gist of the dynamics.

since some of the program will be undertaken in manila, i was just wondering where non-local students would reside, ie. if like clark, there is accomodation services if required at the expense of students, or if accomodation in manila would have to be found on my own accord.

dj, how long have you been in Philippines for? and did you find it difficult to navigate around manila? Im from cebu, and rarely go to manila, except on times when id visit the family there... so i really dont have much directional sense when im there usually...
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Old 2nd May 2007, 11:55
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info bout accomodations in clark. wid cia they have dorm style up to a hotel like serviced rooms meaning it comes wid a chamber maid to fix your stuffs etc.. it all depends on the bucks you are willing to spend. in pal av school cause the training is semi military style i would like to address it as barracks with aircons from what i remember four trainees in a room again at the trainees' expense. i dont have any idea of price range.

i grew in manila actually finish my h.s. and uni here then moved to sydney after my graduation. i was looking for avenues on how to start my life there such as residency issues jobs as well when i decided to go home here in manila to try my luck here in pal. now here i am trying to get the best out of here mate.

but i still call australia home.(love the place so much)
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Old 2nd May 2007, 12:15
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ahhh right.... sweet

im the other way round i guess... still call philippines home, though ive been here all my life pretty much. hahaha

im not too familiar with manila and since i will be leaving here in about 6 weeks was looking for accomodation in manila... anywhere you can suggest?
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Old 2nd May 2007, 13:40
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i would suggest that u get a serviced apartment example oakwood in ayala center priced bit hefty like 100 usd a day or you can get a hotel at malate area that would be perfect if you will be working your way in to pal, cause the place is near at p.l.c. prices might range 20-30 usd a night. you know wat better check the net it might give you accurate figures.
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Old 3rd May 2007, 01:21
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next batch is october? Allied bank loan?

hi Sydav,

mr. Narmon said that there's another batch coming october so i dont think applications are closed yet. when did you submit your application? i wasnt aware that the batches are called alpha, bravo. so DJ and Anansi you guys will be in the Alpha batch this June? I think though that there was first batch earlier that started training in March? So if thats true October will be the 3rd batch?

Anyways Sydav as for acommodations, the first few 3-4 months of training will be in the PAL learning center in Ermita, Manila area so if you're gonna be renting a place you might not want to rent long term since we're probably only going to be in Manila for 4 months for ground school. if you're on a tight budget there are a few pension houses neaby walking distance to PAL Center. Im not sure the exact cost but its probably cheap since its pretty bare (no aircon, bunkbeds, shared CR) but you should probably get used to it since thats what the acommodations are going to be like in flight school in Clark =) I dont think you should you worry about the acommodations when we're in Clark since we're required to stay in their barracks (bunkbeds, 4 in a room, and no-aircon).

Btw DJ, Anansi, and other PAL enrollees are you guys going to be paying the tuition yourselves or will you be taking out the student loan with Allied Bank? Do you know anyone who took out the loan and what are the requirements? Thanks!!
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Old 3rd May 2007, 02:10
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bluecrush198......


thanks for the info about in LTP... and PALav...
so in the future.....i'm prepare enough...



hmm......


LTP allows their employees/trainees to study while working (working student)?
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Old 3rd May 2007, 02:36
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Background of PAL AV applicants?

Hi guys,

Just wondering if any of you know what the typical background of the PAL applicants (those who are applying) and the successful applicants (those who actually get in) are. I've heard that the number of applicants range in the hundreds to thousands each batc? Is this true? if so then competition to get in would be really tight!

Although PAL cadet training is ab-initio, do they prefer applicants with actual PPL even CPL's and with flying time? Or an aviation degree at an aviation college? I'm applying to PAL AV schooll and would like to get an idea of my chances of actually getting in. I have no aviation education background of flying time (apart from taking a 120 minute orientation flight at Omni) However I am fluent in English, have an undegrad degree in Economics (and a few Masters degree credits too) from a top college and five years of work experience in officer level. I don't know if all this will help though if a lot of the other applicants have actual aviation experience. Would any of you guys know? Thanks!
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Old 3rd May 2007, 03:06
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basically you must meet the initial requirements like single,below 30 and graduate of any 4yr degree course from a reputable university, height 5'4 minimum and physically FIT.

ppl or cpl is not required even if youre ppl holder if you ever get accepted you will start from zero. so aviation backround might be an advantage at some manners but not a necessity. backround of trainess varies such as some are fresh grads from college and others have work experience like some get in at the age of 21 and some at 29 hope your getting my point. as long as your qualified everyone is given the chance to apply.

all the best to us. good luck
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Old 3rd May 2007, 03:33
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hey guys! sir narmon txtd me this morning and told me i passed the psychological exam and im scheduled for final medical on may17. whew!

kurimaw,

i think they will allow you to study while working but it depends on your schedule. mechanics in LTP work in 3 shifts daily thats 12am-8am, 8am-4pm and 4pm-12am. i think they change shifts every 2 or 3 months. you can work out a deal with the school your enroling in.

zenflyer,

as long as you have any college degree and meet their requirements you can apply... i prefer to take the loan coz i think they would be forced to hire you so you can pay the loan hehe but my dad thinks its stupid coz the loan's interest will kill you and so he will pay for my tuition but ill pay him back.
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Old 3rd May 2007, 04:23
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last question bluecrush198......


what are the requirements needed to have a OJT/trainee in LTP??

is any batch of applicants are scheduled like in PALav???

and should i start now to call LTP...? or later after my 1st sem...
before the start of 2nd sem..this oct?



thanks and happy flying............!
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