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cessna1052....?
can i ask some questions...?
the offer is so impressive...........
can i ask if the emirates accepts a fresh starter in A/C maintenance??? (new graduates)as a trainee??? or little bit of experience in A/C maintenance???
because next year (2008)
i'm gonna finish my 2yr A/C maintenance course...........
having my OJT this oct.....
give some info and advice for this...
thanks and happy flying....
can i ask some questions...?
the offer is so impressive...........
can i ask if the emirates accepts a fresh starter in A/C maintenance??? (new graduates)as a trainee??? or little bit of experience in A/C maintenance???
because next year (2008)
i'm gonna finish my 2yr A/C maintenance course...........
having my OJT this oct.....
give some info and advice for this...
thanks and happy flying....
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zenflyer,
i have no idea about the "dodo" thing... but i think CRM is Crew/Cockpit Resource Management, i had a chance to study it back in college and i remember it is training about crew relationships and focuses on eliminating the failure of communications in the cockpit.
i have no idea about the "dodo" thing... but i think CRM is Crew/Cockpit Resource Management, i had a chance to study it back in college and i remember it is training about crew relationships and focuses on eliminating the failure of communications in the cockpit.
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A dodo is a flightless bird, and that's what you are once you start your training. As flightless birds go, they are easy prey to winged predators that commonly inhabit cockpits and flight lounges. These winged predators will extract from you all kinds of information which for the life of you can be answered by six simple statements namely:"Sir Yes Sir!", "Sir No Sir!", Sir Can't Afford Sir!", "Sir Try to Find Out Sir!","Sir No Reason Sir!" and "Sir No Relation Sir!". Other variations to these six answers may be allowed as long as it starts with a Sir and ends with a Sir. In other words, everything that goes against CRM ( Crew Resource Management) is the so-called "Dodo" way. PAL used to be like that, especially before that infamous pilot action way back 1998. The equally famous "your time will come" line is also an attribute of the "dodo" mindset. And like the real dodo, which once inhabited the island of Mauritius and is now extinct, this mindset should also go the way of the dodo.
As college graduates, we believe that we are already adults and should deserve to be treated as such. We have been taught that we have to be assertive, to be inquisitive and to be fully responsible for all our actions and dealings in life. That, in a nutshell, is the general philosophy of CRM. It is in making full use of all available resource in the immediate environment (you, your crew, your aircraft systems, ATC, etc.) in arriving at a decision that has been well thought of and executed. It is the atmosphere of the workplace that enhances such a decision making process. And in order to be a productive member of that process, one should also be well-trained, disciplined and mentally balanced. Pride and an over-inflated ego has no place in this kind of work environment.
But as I posted before, old habits die hard. PAL management has been working hard to rid itself of these stereotypes and it is up to the new guys to help them see it through. I am hoping, bluecrush, that you don't get to meet these types when you get into the flight line. But, forewarned is forearmed.
Good luck on your new career and may you have blue skies and fair winds always!
As college graduates, we believe that we are already adults and should deserve to be treated as such. We have been taught that we have to be assertive, to be inquisitive and to be fully responsible for all our actions and dealings in life. That, in a nutshell, is the general philosophy of CRM. It is in making full use of all available resource in the immediate environment (you, your crew, your aircraft systems, ATC, etc.) in arriving at a decision that has been well thought of and executed. It is the atmosphere of the workplace that enhances such a decision making process. And in order to be a productive member of that process, one should also be well-trained, disciplined and mentally balanced. Pride and an over-inflated ego has no place in this kind of work environment.
But as I posted before, old habits die hard. PAL management has been working hard to rid itself of these stereotypes and it is up to the new guys to help them see it through. I am hoping, bluecrush, that you don't get to meet these types when you get into the flight line. But, forewarned is forearmed.
Good luck on your new career and may you have blue skies and fair winds always!
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Thanks for the eye opener sir! I may have met a winged predator back when i had my panel impact interview and boy he was really intimidating hehe!
I hope we have more pilots like you sir. thanks!
I hope we have more pilots like you sir. thanks!
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bluecrush198.............
i got the fresh info that i get from the PAL.......
again....they accept a OJT applicants..............
and hiring a new PILOTS and FLIGHT ATTENDANTS..........
i got the fresh info that i get from the PAL.......
again....they accept a OJT applicants..............
and hiring a new PILOTS and FLIGHT ATTENDANTS..........
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Hi Guys,
Just registered today, and would like to join you if you don't mind. My brother and myself would like to change our career-to be a pilot, but my older brother is already 37 years old and he is dead serious to take up the course MPL in Clark Aviation in Pampanga do you think it's worthwhile to invest considering that his age? and bec. of his age and neophyte do you think Airline company will consider his age to fly their plane?..
You reply will greatly appreciated..
Just registered today, and would like to join you if you don't mind. My brother and myself would like to change our career-to be a pilot, but my older brother is already 37 years old and he is dead serious to take up the course MPL in Clark Aviation in Pampanga do you think it's worthwhile to invest considering that his age? and bec. of his age and neophyte do you think Airline company will consider his age to fly their plane?..
You reply will greatly appreciated..
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Please be sure of your information gentlemen the MPL is accredited by the ATO. Thank you an2ni a good two cents. I agree age is a factor but this course helps people get on with their dream and as we know the shortage of pilots is huge so if you are 40 you still have 20 years service and probably more in the future (up to 65).
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sir Toulost is right, his age might be a problem if he is planning to apply AB-Initio now. but if he has flight hours in his bag, well that might be a different story. if your going to apply for the CIA MPL, i bet those guys have already set an age limit for their training, you know how the business goes...
but there are other ways to go if you are really determined to fly.
I have read in newspapers that MPL is recognized by ICAO and ATO but im not sure about the outcome of their training...
but there are other ways to go if you are really determined to fly.
I have read in newspapers that MPL is recognized by ICAO and ATO but im not sure about the outcome of their training...
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Is anybody here can tell me..
I hope you are doing well.I was in the Philippines about 15 months ago.I have got my CPL/IR .Recently i noticed that there is an Air-Taxi in my country hiring local pilots who are having at least 450 hours of Total flying Time.However i just have got 270 hours.That is why i want to go to the Philippines and build up another 150 hours y C172.
I have heard that there is some flying schools or flying clubs in the Philippines that can help me out.It's going like this for example you will pay for 10 hours of flying time by C172 and they will endorse on your Logbook about 100 hours of flying time.(It's just because i have a very short time and don't have enough money to pay for real flying.
If you know the address of these kind of flying schools just kindely send it to me please and if you have some good advices just don't hesitate to tell me.
Regards
I have heard that there is some flying schools or flying clubs in the Philippines that can help me out.It's going like this for example you will pay for 10 hours of flying time by C172 and they will endorse on your Logbook about 100 hours of flying time.(It's just because i have a very short time and don't have enough money to pay for real flying.
If you know the address of these kind of flying schools just kindely send it to me please and if you have some good advices just don't hesitate to tell me.
Regards
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yeah...i agree with that sir toulost.....
in CIA....no age limit is required....according to the application form.
and also the license has not yet recognized by the ATO and the FAA..
as a adult....of course everyday we getting older.
as a result...our body starts to detriorate slowly......
im sorry if i give some wrong info.....
that true sir.....
i'm quite young.....
because i havent know all the info like the professionals.....
and i need to study more to have a successful profession....
for me....i try my best to got the best info and advices...
to start my carrer right and accurately to have a good "AIRWORTHINESS"
thanks and happy flying...
in CIA....no age limit is required....according to the application form.
and also the license has not yet recognized by the ATO and the FAA..
as a adult....of course everyday we getting older.
as a result...our body starts to detriorate slowly......
im sorry if i give some wrong info.....
that true sir.....
i'm quite young.....
because i havent know all the info like the professionals.....
and i need to study more to have a successful profession....
for me....i try my best to got the best info and advices...
to start my carrer right and accurately to have a good "AIRWORTHINESS"
thanks and happy flying...
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@kurimaw
a friend of mine who works in the ATO, confirmed that MPL is recognized by the ATO. peace..
in CIA....no age limit is required....according to the application form.
and also the license has not yet recognized by the ATO and the FAA..
and also the license has not yet recognized by the ATO and the FAA..
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i got in CIA just recently. the age limit is 40 and the only requirement is a 4-year degree... one can provide a copy of their diploma & transcript to justify their education. and yes... the MPL is recognized by our ATO (from what my dad's friend at Cebu Pac tells him). we'd like to see a source stating the MPL is recognized by the ICAO.
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I have heard that there is some flying schools or flying clubs in the Philippines that can help me out.It's going like this for example you will pay for 10 hours of flying time by C172 and they will endorse on your Logbook about 100 hours of flying time
sad but true...I know some flying schools that pad hours and worst even give away PPLs to those who did'nt even solo the plane. They do this mainly to attract other students and to keep theirs as well. Because of this "padding" system, the PHIL. License is not that much recognized nor respected in other parts of the world. Foreign examiners complain about PPL holders that don't even know how to decode simple METARS or TAFs and for CPL/IRs to read an approach plate. Yes that is the easiest and cheapest way to bulid hours but lives are at stake here. 100 hours is a hundred hours and you would definitely learn something new and different while you're actually flying it. That's where you develop your decision making too, to go or not to go and for me that is the crucial part. I know you want that job in a charter company but think twice. One hour at a time and you will notice it's a thousand already...Just my two cents.
Fly safe
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But what I do know is that when they started, the regulations concerning MPL applicability here in the Philippines were not yet fully ironed out. Since we take our regulations from western aviation governing bodies, I guess its natural to have a rough start since even the FAA and JAA are still thinking about it because of missing framework.
In December 2006 the JAA formally adopted the
proposals concerning training for the MPL, which
were included in amendment 7 to JAR-FCL1. Some
of these proposals are controversial, going beyond
the requirements set forth by ICAO and have created
much debate across the industry. The MPL is,
however, now firmly embedded within the
international flight crew licensing framework and
training has commenced for the issue of the first MPL.
proposals concerning training for the MPL, which
were included in amendment 7 to JAR-FCL1. Some
of these proposals are controversial, going beyond
the requirements set forth by ICAO and have created
much debate across the industry. The MPL is,
however, now firmly embedded within the
international flight crew licensing framework and
training has commenced for the issue of the first MPL.
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"I have heard that there is some flying schools or flying clubs in the Philippines that can help me out.It's going like this for example you will pay for 10 hours of flying time by C172 and they will endorse on your Logbook about 100 hours of flying time."
Pathetic. Please tell me you're not seriously considering this. And if you are, better make sure none of the outfits you're wanting to work for don't find out. That's an instant bust, and good riddance, I say.
"It's just because i have a very short time and don't have enough money to pay for real flying."
In that case, we'll all be better off if you just stayed home and pretend-fly on the computer. You've barely started and you're already thinking of ways to shortcut your career? Do us all a favor, please, and quit before you kill a planeload.
Pathetic. Please tell me you're not seriously considering this. And if you are, better make sure none of the outfits you're wanting to work for don't find out. That's an instant bust, and good riddance, I say.
"It's just because i have a very short time and don't have enough money to pay for real flying."
In that case, we'll all be better off if you just stayed home and pretend-fly on the computer. You've barely started and you're already thinking of ways to shortcut your career? Do us all a favor, please, and quit before you kill a planeload.