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$75,000 USD will give you an MPL if you pass all the exams. It is one year residential course, 6 months ground school for all your navs and techs to JAA ATPL standard. Then 70 hours actual flying, followed by step by step progressive simulator from a level 2 type device upto level 4 or for ease Full Flight Sim, over 60 hours on FFS, this to gain your A320 rating and then 12 t/o and landings in the actual A320.
If sponsored by Cebu you then will fly right hand seat with MPL!!!If not sponsored the world is your oyster as you can go to where you want if the company and country accredit the MPL which many countries are starting to do.
No exams at the ATO all in house. Touloust, to answer your question with regard to approval immediately maybe i can help a little. For the MPL you need firstly a location, ground school course and equipment which are CBT and books,most schools are residential so rooms, canteens etc...
Next comes light training a/c and all the associated fees!! next 3 different types of simulator, std 2,3, 4 (4 being a FFS). Finally access tothe real a/c to fly circuits. Don't forget all the staff instructors, managers, cleaners, accountants. Ah thats the word accountant (money) as you can see start up costs are high and most set ups will stagger this to be cost effective umless you have a bottomless pit!!! Unlikely if you know the cost of aviation. Only telling you what i know and found on the web, i hope this helps.
Very cost effective course with a type rating, check the web guys it is not hard.
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If sponsored by Cebu you then will fly right hand seat with MPL!!!If not sponsored the world is your oyster as you can go to where you want if the company and country accredit the MPL which many countries are starting to do.
No exams at the ATO all in house. Touloust, to answer your question with regard to approval immediately maybe i can help a little. For the MPL you need firstly a location, ground school course and equipment which are CBT and books,most schools are residential so rooms, canteens etc...
Next comes light training a/c and all the associated fees!! next 3 different types of simulator, std 2,3, 4 (4 being a FFS). Finally access tothe real a/c to fly circuits. Don't forget all the staff instructors, managers, cleaners, accountants. Ah thats the word accountant (money) as you can see start up costs are high and most set ups will stagger this to be cost effective umless you have a bottomless pit!!! Unlikely if you know the cost of aviation. Only telling you what i know and found on the web, i hope this helps.
Very cost effective course with a type rating, check the web guys it is not hard.
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ok... if it is accredited by the ATO....
what future will i have if i got this kind of license....
can i use the MPL instead of ATPL in other airline companies???
can cebupac pilots apply in PAL as a direct F/O or capt. with this kind of license???
and what is the best way to became a successful pilot???
in a traditional way (PPL,CPL,IR)
or the MPL??
thanks and happy flying
what future will i have if i got this kind of license....
can i use the MPL instead of ATPL in other airline companies???
can cebupac pilots apply in PAL as a direct F/O or capt. with this kind of license???
and what is the best way to became a successful pilot???
in a traditional way (PPL,CPL,IR)
or the MPL??
thanks and happy flying
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calmpilot,
"padding" happens here in the philippines but i don't think its a good idea. i can't imagine a pilot who doctored his flying hours in an emergency situation! if you really love flying and you care for your passengers, i would suggest you earn those hours.
MPL sounds like a good deal, but it has not proven itself yet for me. i have no idea what airlines would hire MPL holders. looks like foreign investors took the quick way of getting accreditation from ATO and i think that's through their accountants hehe! (pampadulas)
"padding" happens here in the philippines but i don't think its a good idea. i can't imagine a pilot who doctored his flying hours in an emergency situation! if you really love flying and you care for your passengers, i would suggest you earn those hours.
MPL sounds like a good deal, but it has not proven itself yet for me. i have no idea what airlines would hire MPL holders. looks like foreign investors took the quick way of getting accreditation from ATO and i think that's through their accountants hehe! (pampadulas)
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bluecrush198,
we all know that this is happening to our country. but disclosing it to a forum its not a good idea either. in fact we are not sure if they (alpha aviation) did or did not make (pampadulas). bottom line is, our country look bad don't make it look worst. sorry if i have to point this out.
we can't prove mpl at this time, mpl can prove itself by a year or two. how can a newly implemented program with less than a year of implementation prove itself.
@Toulost
I'm not a student of CIA nor connected with CIA. But I'm planning to enroll in CIA. I don't get you wrong, we all know you have a point.
looks like foreign investors took the quick way of getting accreditation from ATO and i think that's through their accountants hehe! (pampadulas)
we can't prove mpl at this time, mpl can prove itself by a year or two. how can a newly implemented program with less than a year of implementation prove itself.
@Toulost
I'm not a student of CIA nor connected with CIA. But I'm planning to enroll in CIA. I don't get you wrong, we all know you have a point.
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AIRWORTHINESS is the most important in this kind of profession..
not only in the aircraft...but also the people who use and maintain the aircraft....
the forum i read a lot is about the argue of the advantages and disadvantages of MPL....
the most related example is a person has no idea how to drive a vehicle.....
a persons that starts to study and drive a sedan within 70hrs..
after 70hrs... he can now starts to drive a Provincial BUS carrying many passengers......
too risky ha...
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MPL is not proven yet....! but there is a main reason why this kind of license implemented and invented.....
because of PILOT SHORTAGE....around the world
but there is a good benefit for that....
we know all that there is a major corruption of our country....
we cannot erase that forever...because politics is dirty...right??
the problem right now is how to resolve the problem in aviation....
the needs of pilot and maintenance(manpower)in our country...
and we need to help each other how to resolve this kind of problem to avoid the delays of flight and maintain the heavy jets "airworthy"
because PAL and CEBUPAC has a re-fleeting program....
"And then it snowballs into one giant recipe for disaster...."
i get the meaning of this line.....
if pilot has a little experience in GenAv..... there is a big risk of fatal accident....if he/she brings a large aircraft...
because some pilot not only learns how to fly and land the aircraft...
but also the advance maneuvers of aircraft....
and it starts in a small aircraft....
crosswind landings, slideslip technique, touch and go, STOL,
any mistake of these maneuvers can lead to a fatal disaster....
the maneuvers like crosswind landing and slideslip technique is used in approach in the famous KAI TAK airport. in hong kong....but now it is already closed....
even the pinoy professional pilots know that place
as a young dreaming pilot.....
and never been experienced in flying (virgin)
i rely most of the advice in this forum and helps me a lot to plan my carrer and achieve to it.....
thanks to the professionals here....it helps me a lot
and i learn a lot of things.......
to all person havent experience yet(virgin)in flying....
let's rely and listen to the advice of the professionals....
either fact or opinion/ truth or lie....
important is have a sufficent idea before entering this kind of risky professions......
and becoming a pilot is not a shortcut or easy way....
do it step by step.......hinay hinay lang.....
thanks and happy flying...
not only in the aircraft...but also the people who use and maintain the aircraft....
the forum i read a lot is about the argue of the advantages and disadvantages of MPL....
the most related example is a person has no idea how to drive a vehicle.....
a persons that starts to study and drive a sedan within 70hrs..
after 70hrs... he can now starts to drive a Provincial BUS carrying many passengers......
too risky ha...!MPL is not proven yet....! but there is a main reason why this kind of license implemented and invented.....
because of PILOT SHORTAGE....around the world
but there is a good benefit for that....
we know all that there is a major corruption of our country....
we cannot erase that forever...because politics is dirty...right??
the problem right now is how to resolve the problem in aviation....
the needs of pilot and maintenance(manpower)in our country...
and we need to help each other how to resolve this kind of problem to avoid the delays of flight and maintain the heavy jets "airworthy"
because PAL and CEBUPAC has a re-fleeting program....
"And then it snowballs into one giant recipe for disaster...."
i get the meaning of this line.....
if pilot has a little experience in GenAv..... there is a big risk of fatal accident....if he/she brings a large aircraft...
because some pilot not only learns how to fly and land the aircraft...
but also the advance maneuvers of aircraft....
and it starts in a small aircraft....
crosswind landings, slideslip technique, touch and go, STOL,
any mistake of these maneuvers can lead to a fatal disaster....
the maneuvers like crosswind landing and slideslip technique is used in approach in the famous KAI TAK airport. in hong kong....but now it is already closed....
even the pinoy professional pilots know that place
as a young dreaming pilot.....
and never been experienced in flying (virgin)
i rely most of the advice in this forum and helps me a lot to plan my carrer and achieve to it.....
thanks to the professionals here....it helps me a lot
and i learn a lot of things.......
to all person havent experience yet(virgin)in flying....
let's rely and listen to the advice of the professionals....
either fact or opinion/ truth or lie....
important is have a sufficent idea before entering this kind of risky professions......
and becoming a pilot is not a shortcut or easy way....
do it step by step.......hinay hinay lang.....
thanks and happy flying...
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@an2ni
yup, i'm starting on Monday. just incase you were wondering, i don't think Cebu Pacific isn't sponsoring me
. my dad was telling me "san ka papadala pagkatapos? India? Vietnam?"
i'm not in any position to defend or critique the MPL, all i know is that we'll find out early next year when the first batch of CIA graduates take to the skies.
yup, i'm starting on Monday. just incase you were wondering, i don't think Cebu Pacific isn't sponsoring me
. my dad was telling me "san ka papadala pagkatapos? India? Vietnam?" i'm not in any position to defend or critique the MPL, all i know is that we'll find out early next year when the first batch of CIA graduates take to the skies.
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when did you took the exam? yah we can here good and bad things about mpl, but for me i already did my research and already asked my cousin (pilot in pal). sent you pm.. good luck to you...
when did you took the exam? yah we can here good and bad things about mpl, but for me i already did my research and already asked my cousin (pilot in pal). sent you pm.. good luck to you...
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hi..
so MPL is not a way to recover the number of pilot..am i rite??..correct me if im wrong..
MPL is a shortcut way to be a right seat in a320...but not good enough like ppl taking the CPL using the long way PPL>CPL>ME>IR>ATPL...
their hv learnt many thing like kurimaw said..
So the long way hv alot of experience n not like MPL...
sO think the best n no regrets!
so MPL is not a way to recover the number of pilot..am i rite??..correct me if im wrong..
MPL is a shortcut way to be a right seat in a320...but not good enough like ppl taking the CPL using the long way PPL>CPL>ME>IR>ATPL...
their hv learnt many thing like kurimaw said..
So the long way hv alot of experience n not like MPL...
sO think the best n no regrets!
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to kurimaw - OJT applicants at PAL
" i got the fresh info that i get from the PAL.......
again....they accept a OJT applicants..............
and hiring a new PILOTS and FLIGHT ATTENDANTS.......... "
Hi Kurimaw,
just want to ask, what kind of OJT jobs PAL has right now? Btw if Im not mistaken (from the previous posts) you're currently an aircraft mechanic right? Just want to ask where we can study to be an aircraft mechanic? BTW are you applying to PAL Av school too? what batch? Thanks!
again....they accept a OJT applicants..............
and hiring a new PILOTS and FLIGHT ATTENDANTS.......... "
Hi Kurimaw,
just want to ask, what kind of OJT jobs PAL has right now? Btw if Im not mistaken (from the previous posts) you're currently an aircraft mechanic right? Just want to ask where we can study to be an aircraft mechanic? BTW are you applying to PAL Av school too? what batch? Thanks!
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zenflyer..........?
i don't know what are the OJT jobs can be accepted by pal.....
because i checked the website of PAL ..3days ago......
i think that PAL will recommend the maintenance students will have the OJT in Lufthansa hangar in Villamor..... because it is also owned by LT(macroasia)
about the pilots....there is a logtime of 500hrs in GenAv...and have a CPL,IR radio license...
Steward....it least have a 60 units in college and 18-24 yrs old...?
more info...visit the PAL website...
www.philippineairlines.com
actually....i'm a 2nd yr. student right now and finish my 2yr course this march as a A/C technician at PATTS.....and having my OJT in Oct..
not yet a mechanic....
but i'll try to call the PAL if they accept OJT applicants as a A/C maintenance..........
PALav accepts only degree holders....so i'm not qualified because i got only 72units after i finish my course....
unless if i proceed to degree...(another2yrs)
because in a A/C maintenance
when it comes into the license (A/P license) will be the same....
either 2yr or 4yr degree holder....
thanks and happy flying....
i don't know what are the OJT jobs can be accepted by pal.....
because i checked the website of PAL ..3days ago......
i think that PAL will recommend the maintenance students will have the OJT in Lufthansa hangar in Villamor..... because it is also owned by LT(macroasia)
about the pilots....there is a logtime of 500hrs in GenAv...and have a CPL,IR radio license...
Steward....it least have a 60 units in college and 18-24 yrs old...?
more info...visit the PAL website...
www.philippineairlines.com
actually....i'm a 2nd yr. student right now and finish my 2yr course this march as a A/C technician at PATTS.....and having my OJT in Oct..
not yet a mechanic....
but i'll try to call the PAL if they accept OJT applicants as a A/C maintenance..........
PALav accepts only degree holders....so i'm not qualified because i got only 72units after i finish my course....
unless if i proceed to degree...(another2yrs)
because in a A/C maintenance
when it comes into the license (A/P license) will be the same....
either 2yr or 4yr degree holder....
thanks and happy flying....
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an2ni,
dude, we are all adults here in this forum. and its a free world... try to read the forum rules alright?
kurimaw,
PAL accepts A/C mech OJTs but i don't think they will let you come close to an aircraft because all A/C maintenance of the PAL fleet from S-1s to D-Checks are being handled by LTP. I have a batch mate who worked for PAL as a trainee but all he did was line support vehicle maintenance. If you are a graduate of a 2yr ATC course, you need at least 2yrs work experience before you get your ATO A&P licence. ATO will allow you to take the A&P exams but they will not release your actual licence until you give them proof of your 2yr experience as a proby/junior mech. I am currently taking the A&P exams and had a chance to talk to a few ATC graduates and informed me about this.
Honestly, I don't think MPL is a good solution for the pilot shortage problem. but hey, we haven't seen the outcome of their training program. for me, students who are currently training for the MPL w/out sponsorship gambled their time and money, but if your 50% financed by an airline then why not hehe!
dude, we are all adults here in this forum. and its a free world... try to read the forum rules alright?
kurimaw,
PAL accepts A/C mech OJTs but i don't think they will let you come close to an aircraft because all A/C maintenance of the PAL fleet from S-1s to D-Checks are being handled by LTP. I have a batch mate who worked for PAL as a trainee but all he did was line support vehicle maintenance. If you are a graduate of a 2yr ATC course, you need at least 2yrs work experience before you get your ATO A&P licence. ATO will allow you to take the A&P exams but they will not release your actual licence until you give them proof of your 2yr experience as a proby/junior mech. I am currently taking the A&P exams and had a chance to talk to a few ATC graduates and informed me about this.
Honestly, I don't think MPL is a good solution for the pilot shortage problem. but hey, we haven't seen the outcome of their training program. for me, students who are currently training for the MPL w/out sponsorship gambled their time and money, but if your 50% financed by an airline then why not hehe!
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yah we are all adult here, putting down your own country is like putting down yourself, anyway we have different view. sorry if i criticized your post.. sorry again..
back to the topic..
cheers..
back to the topic..
cheers..
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wow patriotism!
kinda hard to find here in the Philippines nowadays
! hehe its all good! all are entitled to their opinions.
what's up fellow PAL av applicants? haven't heard from you in a long time... im just about to finish my final medical, hope 2 hear from you guys soon.
kinda hard to find here in the Philippines nowadays! hehe its all good! all are entitled to their opinions.what's up fellow PAL av applicants? haven't heard from you in a long time... im just about to finish my final medical, hope 2 hear from you guys soon.
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yah...thats true bluecrush198.....
you can take the A/P license exam...but you must have a experience at least 2yrs.....
and your license will be freeze....and there is a age require to have this kind of license......
bluecrush198.......
can i ask if you have some friends or batch in BSAMT.....
have taken first the ATC course then proceed into BSAMT...?
and how many years will be left to finish the course...
and how do they manage to study the course while working???
thanks and happy flying....
you can take the A/P license exam...but you must have a experience at least 2yrs.....
and your license will be freeze....and there is a age require to have this kind of license......
bluecrush198.......
can i ask if you have some friends or batch in BSAMT.....
have taken first the ATC course then proceed into BSAMT...?
and how many years will be left to finish the course...
and how do they manage to study the course while working???
thanks and happy flying....
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thank you very much sir Toulost, i am afraid of this situation, i have heard rumors before of PAL av prioritizing the kids of currently employed pilots in PAL. i had a chance to meet them, some were really eager but most of them are forced by the opportunity. i hoped leaving blank the "Relatives in PAL" section of my application form would not affect my status but i think its not possible. tomorrow i will check on my status personally in PAL medical, because i am not yet cleared in my dental, i have to schedule for an extraction of my 3rd molar but our family surgeons out in vacation and I'm having a hard time finding another surgeon i can trust. I will definitely assert my self more from now on because the pressure is on hehe! thanks again sir!
kurimaw,
yup, i had 5 batch mates who took ATC then proceeded to AMT. they finished both courses in 4 1/2 years (including summer classes). one of them was working in chowking baclaran while taking up AMT coz his parents supported only his ATC course. we graduated at the same year and now he works in Cebu Pac as a Base Maintenance mechanic trainee while taking the A&P exams at ATO.
kurimaw,
yup, i had 5 batch mates who took ATC then proceeded to AMT. they finished both courses in 4 1/2 years (including summer classes). one of them was working in chowking baclaran while taking up AMT coz his parents supported only his ATC course. we graduated at the same year and now he works in Cebu Pac as a Base Maintenance mechanic trainee while taking the A&P exams at ATO.
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thank for that bluecrush198.........
right now....i'm thinking whether if i proceed in BSAMT or other courses after i finish my ATC...
and start to work and have a experience in A/C maintenance while studying.....
i remember that you gave me a advice that having a work and study at the same time is a very hectic schedule.......
i hope that i can do it....because our job is very hectic......
goodluck to your profession bro......
thanks and happy flying.......
right now....i'm thinking whether if i proceed in BSAMT or other courses after i finish my ATC...
and start to work and have a experience in A/C maintenance while studying.....
i remember that you gave me a advice that having a work and study at the same time is a very hectic schedule.......
i hope that i can do it....because our job is very hectic......
goodluck to your profession bro......
thanks and happy flying.......
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paolylo,
well, i bet CIA folks will try their best to look for airlines that would absorb their graduates. seems like they have a lot of connections not only here in the Philippines but also in foreign countries. well, best of luck to you bro! keep us posted!
well, i bet CIA folks will try their best to look for airlines that would absorb their graduates. seems like they have a lot of connections not only here in the Philippines but also in foreign countries. well, best of luck to you bro! keep us posted!