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Old 3rd Aug 2012, 17:08
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hopefully that spells good news for those waiting for the ab-initio to open up

I do hope that MI doesn't go overseas to look for pilots to fly these 737s.

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Especially so when we have the proper Cadet Program, self-funded guys from SFC, STATA and from abroad who are Singaporeans.

I swear I will loose it if I see another advertisement in India and Malaysia asking their locals to apply for Pilot jobs in Singapore.
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Old 4th Aug 2012, 11:51
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I'm sure we'll see advertisements in Malaysia for cadet pilot recruitment. You may think there's enough Singaporeans for the job. Problem is that many of them don't make it through the interviews.
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Maybe it is time to change the passing standards of the interview then.

I highly doubt some Malaysian guy educated in some Kampong school in a random Johor Bahru pineapple plantation with some half-f**k Malaysian "Degree" is better than a:

JC/Poly Educated Singaporean who has studied in the rigor of the Singaporean Education System and made it on to University and legitimately and passed out with a degree recognized by the Singaporean Ministry of Education.

If the former can get through and the latter cannot because he failed to meet interview standards, that just shows how the Malaysian management in SIA is being biased towards locals and just taking in more of their kind.

Worse still if people from India start flooding SIA. That would be the end of our airline

Singapore Airlines will soon become Nasi Lemak Airlines or PrataJet.
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Old 4th Aug 2012, 12:56
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Just FYI, the Malaysians who are flying in Singapore Airlines were not plucked out from some obscure farm who has no interest in flying or can't speak English to save his life. Many of the Malaysians who are in SIA are degree holders from NTU, NUS or overseas universities. They speak English no problem at all. In fact, some of them speak English, Mandarin, Malay and Cantonese.

And, saying that the passing standards of the interview should be changed is counter productive. Why would the company want to compromise the standards of cadets just for the sake of getting more locals? That would be the easy way out. If they can't get enough locals of the proper calibre, they will just hire overseas (which is what they are doing).

Just stating the 'hard truths'.
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Old 4th Aug 2012, 13:10
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Well then, why not go the extra mile and pay USAF and US Navy Topgun Pilots USD500,000 then to migrate to Singapore and fly our aircraft.

They speak English better than any one of us on either side of the Causeway. They definitely fly better. They are much fitter and younger with much more flight time in challenging conditions. And they all have degrees from top notch Military Academies.

Do you see my point? There are always "better" pilots in whatever sense of the term. This just leads to a slippery slope of finding the best and leaving the ones you already have at home to rot. This is what is happening to Singapore in the bigger picture.

The point is to grow and nurture Singaporean talent. Not to put them through some interview and kick them out because they failed the standard but to train them up to be at the level SIA wants them to be.
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wow, not that i'm really interested in getting into a verbal tangle with you, but @SingaporeAirlines, don't you think that's going a little too far? your vitriolic stance against foreigners has been made very clear, thank you very much. i'm just about as Singaporean as you can get, but when you possess an attitude like that, i cannot imagine the multiplicity of ways as a future pilot of SIA, that you will be breeding negativity with all the people that you work with.

don't get me wrong, i am in not a champion for foreigners and neither am i someone who is completely free from xenophobic sentiment. your need to blame someone for the current situation that has befallen the aviation industry has been at times, rather amusing. but when it comes to a lowblow in the form of your last post, i feel insulted on behalf of every other pilot cadet hopeful out there, that immaturity of such a level has permeated through our ranks.

so thank you once again for your bumptious views on how lowering interview standards will lead to building a more capable flight ops department vis-à-vis a better SIA. as far as i know, pilot cadets who have successfully passed the interviews do so because of their attitude, determination, and passion for working with others within the industry. without the right attitude, i doubt that SIA would even hire an ATPL holder.

train more Singapore cadets up to the standards that SIA demands, you say. sure, an aviator's skill can be honed but please share with me, how would you suggest that we change a person's attitude? just as i don't expect you to agree with most of this discourse, i don't expect your attitude to change overnight, or even over time.

i assume that you're here in this forum because you're hoping to join SIA as a cadet pilot. but may i ask you if you've ever thought about the hundreds, if not, thousands of other pilots that you wil be flying with, or becoming batchmates with? there are going to be foreigners whether you like it or not.

as with the many others who have visited this site in hope of deriving some knowledge or tips for their upcoming interview(s), i am one who has greatly benefitted from the help that i have received from here. the positive mindset and teamwork that was previously prevalent in this thread is what i hope all future pilot cadets, ie, the people that i will be working with to posses.

so in a nutshell, it would be greatly beneficial to everyone here if we saw more productive banter from you instead of languishing on problems that are otherwise immaterial to the topic of getting through the interviews and eventually, becoming an SIA pilot.
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Old 4th Aug 2012, 14:56
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^ what he said.

Company policies will not be influenced by what is typed out here by anonymous contributors. So, why don't we stop complaining and lamenting about how the situation is like, and help out one another.
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SingaporeAirlines, your comments prove that you do not have the right attitude / mindset to be a commercial pilot.

Everyone knows that this industry is tough. Only the best get selected. You need to do your homework. Find out what are they looking for when they select cadet pilots. These are people that they select will be in command of a large commercial jet with hundreds of lives at any one flight. I'm sure you can appreciate the enormity of what is at stake, and therefore understand the circumstances. No airline will spoon-feed potential candidates just to pass the interviews and most certainly not degrade their selection criteria just to "grow and nurture Singaporean talent". Don't worry, talented Singaporeans will go through.

Anyway for those who are really interested and have the right attitude, the next batch of cadets should be starting their ground school sometime in October.
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Old 4th Aug 2012, 16:08
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Flying.Monekyz, any word on where they will be reopening up recruitment?
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No words on that just yet. Watch this space.
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Simply put I find it rather ridiculous that countries with smaller populations than us and larger aviation fleets than Singapore can find their own to fly their planes and we need to go to 3rd World Countries to pay 3rd World Educated cadets to fly our latest Boeings and Airbuses.

Maybe you guys would like to know why I am so against these people flying for our national carrier.

I too was once a young chap like you guys many years back. Tried applying for the SIA Cadet Program many times. In my 6th attempt, they called me for my 1st interview. Failed. Tried again. This time went to the 2nd interview and failed and was told there is no point applying again.

Went to New Zealand and did the Massey program and got my CPL/MECIR. Tried to get into SIA again and failed. All this whilst SIA was taking in Malaysians, Indians and HKers by the boatload and here I was a born and brought up 5th Gen Singaporean Malay getting rejected.

No attitude to be a commercial pilot you say?

I went on to banner-towing for a while and flying small twin otters in Papau New Guinea and was eventually given a gig on a King Air 350. One thing led to another and I was offered my first jet job in a Bruneian outfit flying Learjets.

Now I am happily employed by a small company in the region flying Gulfstream G550s.

My life was not easy. I had the determination and passion and went against all odds to achieve it.

If maybe even one of the interviews had seen that I could have saved my parents' precious life savings and gotten a job with SIA. But no.

Anyway all's well that ends well and I am living a content life now.

But not every Singaporean who has taken the path less travelled is lucky. Just saying.

Happy Landings.
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^^From the look of things you just sound like a bitter person in life.

The truth is not everyone has the abilities and skills to make it all the way, sure devotion, determination and hard work will help but only to an extent, in the end you need to have the right stuff. The sooner you accept that and move on the better for you.

And no matter what you think or do SIA will keep on hiring '3rd world cadets' from their respective countries and you can't do jack about it.

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Old 6th Aug 2012, 09:53
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Move on buddy. You should know who controls SIA. As long as people say "we need foreign talents in this country", you'll continue to see them here.

Since you took the difficult route, I'm sure you cherish your flying career now. With your experience, you're probably a better aviator than some of SIA trainees that took the easy way. So don't feel sore about it. Life is too short man.
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Old 6th Aug 2012, 10:03
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Move on buddy. You should know who controls SIA. As long as people say "we need foreign talents in this country", you'll continue to see them here.

Since you took the difficult route, I'm sure you cherish your flying career now. With your experience, you're probably a better aviator than some of SIA trainees that took the easy way. So don't feel sore about it. Life is too short man.
Thanks buddy and all the best to you too Happy Landings and Majulah Singapura!(In 3 Days!)
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From "Silkair Defects to Boeing - 54 firm 737-800s & Max "

It's rather disconcerting to see a thread that was originally meant to discuss SilkAir's acquisition of Boeing 737 has diverted to a xenophobic route.

Dear Singapore Airlines,

You as a pilot should know very well by now that one's academic record is just one factor of consideration of pilot recruitment. Not all PhD rocket scientists qualify to be aviators. So while the strength of our recent graduates in academics and extracurricular activities is tremendous, there are more to just good results in order to fly.

I have seen too many cases of Singaporeans with outstanding results messing up their interviews, thinking that they should rightfully get the job. A Singaporean friend of mine on his second round can't even tell the panel what engines are on SQ's 777!

I believe the reason airlines here aren't able to find sufficient suitable Singaporeans to be cadet pilots are as follows:

1. Not all Singaporeans want to be pilots.
2. Not all Singaporeans who want to be pilots qualify to be pilots.
3. Not all Singaporeans who want to be pilots get support to be pilots.
4. Not all Singaporeans who want to be pilots have the skills to be pilots. I'm no musician, even if you strap me to a guitar.
5. Not all Singaporeans who want to be pilots are medically fit to be pilots.
6. Not all Singaporeans who want to be pilots behave and think like pilots.
7. Not all Singaporeans who want to be pilots prepare themselves for the interview, just like my Singaporean friend above.
And I'm sure there are plenty of other reasons. Though we have a population of over 5 million, after all the filtering / shortlisting / selection, there really aren't many left. Did I mention those that were terminated during their training phase? And surely you'll know that when it comes to cadet pilots, the SIA group is now competing with Jetstar and Tiger, and if you look at the Tiger's ads in the papers on Saturday and today, they strictly wants Singaporeans and PRs only. The pool of "suitable" candidates are only so big.

I can't help but to sense this strong sour feeling that you emitted for not being able to score your dream job. I'm sure you were academically qualified, otherwise you won't be called up for the interview. Did you do one of SQ's management's favourite activities AKA POST-MORTEM? What happened in your interviews? What did you do that may have resulted in you not being selected? Did you say anything wrong? Maybe it was the way you presented yourself, the way you answered their questions... etc etc etc. Remember the interviewers are looking for "the right fit". Maybe you just did not have the right fit for them.

Not trying to put you down but I'm not sure how successful you're gonna get for "spreading the cause". Unless you're the next PM and change the policy, I believe you're beating a dead horse / barking up the wrong tree.

This reply is also posted in the SIA Cadet Pilot thread for the information of aspiring cadet pilots, so as to enable them to be better informed and prepared for interviews, and hopefully selected by the airline for a fulfilling career.
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Thank you for the long reply my friend. Of course I did a post mortem of my interview. I am a postgraduate degree holder you know haha

Let me bring to everyone's attention the plight of the Singaporean Malay. Disowned by his country, barred from serving in many branches of the Army, Navy and Air Force and yet not being part of the community up North across the causeway. Such is the plight of the Malay man in Singapore. The Indians in Singapore also face discrimination but to a slightly lesser degree than us.

When I walked into the interview room on the day of the interview, the HR Person, the Senior Captain and a Management Pilot (All Chinese) gave me a smirk I had never before seen in my life? I said, "Good Morning Sirs! It's a pleasure to meet you gentlemen today. My name is (not gonna say) and I'm delighted that you gave me the opportunity today to try for the cadet pilot program".

Their reply, "So....you want to be pilot is it? I look at your qualification I don't think you have what it takes leh?"

I see Poly Diploma holders who are of the right race just ease in to the program and here I was, an NUS Applied Mathematics Upper 2nd Hons graduate just being told that I do not have what it takes.

Happened back in NS too when I appealed to go in to the Army and I was told I did not make the security clearance and that I had to go join Civil Defense.

My family has been on Singapore long before Sang Nila Utama came to this island and I somehow fail the security clearance to some PRC idiot who just scooted his way across here to make a quick buck?

I answered every single question they threw at me to the best of my abilities and nothing came out of it. It was shocking that my application was so low on the pile that it took me 6 times to apply to even get called to the first interview only to get rejected.

Anyway to those who think I am only here to spread vile, please feel free to PM me your aviation questions and I shall be more than glad to answer them to the best of my abilities.

Some of you already have and I shall get back to you soon

All the best people.
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Old 8th Aug 2012, 18:52
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@SingaporeAirlines, you will be surprised how many people are asked that question during the interview. I won't be surprised if it's to throw people off and to guage how they "come back" from it.
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Bang, I've seen Malay cadet pilots of various background, from diploma holders to CPL/IR holders, from both side of the causeway, making through the interviews. Some of those are undergoing training even as we speak. So this argument about the right race to me is a waste of time. Yes you may see there are more people of the "right race" being selected. That's also because proportionately there are more people of your so-called "right race" in this country. That doesn't mean that Malay candidates are disadvantaged in the selection process. I suppose luck wasn't on your side on the day of your interview.

I've conducted many interviews myself and I sometimes use that statement too. It's not meant to put down the candidates but rather see how they react and respond.
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Bang, I've seen Malay cadet pilots of various background, from diploma holders to CPL/IR holders, from both side of the causeway, making through the interviews. Some of those are undergoing training even as we speak. So this argument about the right race to me is a waste of time. Yes you may see there are more people of the "right race" being selected. That's also because proportionately there are more people of your so-called "right race" in this country. That doesn't mean that Malay candidates are disadvantaged in the selection process. I suppose luck wasn't on your side on the day of your interview.

I've conducted many interviews myself and I sometimes use that statement too. It's not meant to put down the candidates but rather see how they react and respond.
You know what brother. Perhaps you are right. Maybe that day was just plain unlucky for me. But you would be surprised that my inbox is full now from onlookers of this forum asking me for advice and telling me their story.

A handful are from potential Malay and Indian cadets telling me how they felt they were discriminated. Maybe we are all losers haha. Or maybe they were discriminated. Surely you agree that racism is a problem in Singapore? I would not go too deeply into this but yes, I shall leave this point at that.

But I am happy that you give everyone a fair shot. Too bad I never kena you during my interview.
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