easyjet pilots to strike??
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jaw,
I dont think easyjet want to lose any pilots ,or in the future.
It costs them a small fortune to train people.
Therefore its in their interests to keep terms and conditions on a professional footing.
Look at southwest.
I dont think easyjet want to lose any pilots ,or in the future.
It costs them a small fortune to train people.
Therefore its in their interests to keep terms and conditions on a professional footing.
Look at southwest.
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It seems to be a fairly simple riposte for all you outsiders to say "well, if you don't like it just leave then." And go where?? It's nice for all the vultures to recommend we all just opt for unemployment rather than stand up to being dicked around 24/7 - I imagine you all think you will walk into our jobs and be grateful for it.
Well screw the lot of yer. If EZY employed us on the basis of no night flights, stable 6 on 3 off rostering, and 800 flying hours a year I think we've got a right to stand up for ourselves. In the long run it might do the other poor sods (ryan, baby etc)around the country some good to demonstrate that being "low cost" doesn't mean there's no price to pay.
Well screw the lot of yer. If EZY employed us on the basis of no night flights, stable 6 on 3 off rostering, and 800 flying hours a year I think we've got a right to stand up for ourselves. In the long run it might do the other poor sods (ryan, baby etc)around the country some good to demonstrate that being "low cost" doesn't mean there's no price to pay.
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Reading the posts on this particular forum it seems that many people are worried about several aspects of an impending ballot for industrial action regarding the present negotiations.
We must all ask ourselves where would we like our airline to be in 6-12 months, what environment do we want it to have, what kind of culture (it seems pretty much a blame one at the moment!) and can we see ourselves still enjoying our work (not many do at the moment).
We have an opportunity at this time to try and create a better lifestyle for us all in the long term and if we do not all support one another, Easy/Go, Capts/FO's & BALPA PC, we may as well go belly up now and give the Easy management free reign over the rest of out working time with this company.
"A journey of a thousand miles starts with one step" ..........
we have made that step and if we do not complete this journey will we look back and lament an opportunity lost? If you think things are bad now, imagine the delight management will take in using a "victory" over the Flight Deck in continuing with the present way we are percieved and treated.
Many people seem to be looking for ways to justify not withdrawing our labour, but I feel we should have no guilt in that respect. We are fighting for reasonable working conditions/lifestyle which is not only our right, but it enhances SAFETY!!.
We are also presenting managment with a system which should improve productivity, efficiency and improve morale, all of which should offset any increase cost the company forsee and improve the longevity of this company.
At the moment the companies training costs must be set to increase anyway just to replace those pilots who are/will be leaving as a result of the present state of affairs. With the the expansion of the company as well, apparently requiring approx. 60 new Capts. alone, then having the goodwill of the pilot force is the only way I can see this being achieved.
On this particular subject (commands!) it is distubing that FO's coming up for their command assessments may have been told that these will be delayed 6-12 months depending on their sickness , sim, discretion, etc. records. They are therefore worried that going on strike will also affect this process negatively. I can only say that it is of great concern that the company may be threatening people in this way and that, again, if we all support BALPA/one another, and we all act together, then where will the new commanders come from if everyone is delayed 6-12 months? In a previous company the cabin crew went on strike....... they were all sacked....only to be reinstated en masse, of course, the company couldn't continue operating! What happened at Aer Lingus?
I hope this isn't too much of a ramble as I'm home, sick with the flu so my single brain cell is under even more duress than normal.
However I need to restate that we must all support the BALPA negotiating team. They are trying to improve your working conditions/lifestyle, which will also enhance the company at the same time, and it would be very sad indeed if thro' our in-action now we remain disheartened and unhappy such that the first step will have been wasted and the journey not completed.
Take care
We must all ask ourselves where would we like our airline to be in 6-12 months, what environment do we want it to have, what kind of culture (it seems pretty much a blame one at the moment!) and can we see ourselves still enjoying our work (not many do at the moment).
We have an opportunity at this time to try and create a better lifestyle for us all in the long term and if we do not all support one another, Easy/Go, Capts/FO's & BALPA PC, we may as well go belly up now and give the Easy management free reign over the rest of out working time with this company.
"A journey of a thousand miles starts with one step" ..........
we have made that step and if we do not complete this journey will we look back and lament an opportunity lost? If you think things are bad now, imagine the delight management will take in using a "victory" over the Flight Deck in continuing with the present way we are percieved and treated.
Many people seem to be looking for ways to justify not withdrawing our labour, but I feel we should have no guilt in that respect. We are fighting for reasonable working conditions/lifestyle which is not only our right, but it enhances SAFETY!!.
We are also presenting managment with a system which should improve productivity, efficiency and improve morale, all of which should offset any increase cost the company forsee and improve the longevity of this company.
At the moment the companies training costs must be set to increase anyway just to replace those pilots who are/will be leaving as a result of the present state of affairs. With the the expansion of the company as well, apparently requiring approx. 60 new Capts. alone, then having the goodwill of the pilot force is the only way I can see this being achieved.
On this particular subject (commands!) it is distubing that FO's coming up for their command assessments may have been told that these will be delayed 6-12 months depending on their sickness , sim, discretion, etc. records. They are therefore worried that going on strike will also affect this process negatively. I can only say that it is of great concern that the company may be threatening people in this way and that, again, if we all support BALPA/one another, and we all act together, then where will the new commanders come from if everyone is delayed 6-12 months? In a previous company the cabin crew went on strike....... they were all sacked....only to be reinstated en masse, of course, the company couldn't continue operating! What happened at Aer Lingus?
I hope this isn't too much of a ramble as I'm home, sick with the flu so my single brain cell is under even more duress than normal.
However I need to restate that we must all support the BALPA negotiating team. They are trying to improve your working conditions/lifestyle, which will also enhance the company at the same time, and it would be very sad indeed if thro' our in-action now we remain disheartened and unhappy such that the first step will have been wasted and the journey not completed.
Take care
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MORE RESIGNATIONS AT EZY
It keeps getting worse and worse - apparently the BRS Base Captain and another highly respected Training Captain have resigned to join the up-and-coming Astraeus. I understand that another member of the EZY Training Dept is also about to throw in the towel.
Maybe somebody from EZY (No Sig?) would like to tell us the wisdom of the $1.5M decision to make 13 of their new 700's CAT IIIB capable when their own Training Dept cannot do the necessary training.......
or why the CAA at a recent audit expressed serious concerns about the lack of a defined and accountable management structure.....
or why the CAA has queried the lack of applications for various training/ops positions.....
Ed Winter, GO's Transformation Director was overheard last week openly expressing his opinion that the whole merger/takeover has been a complete disaster from start to finish, blaming the dictatorial and intransigent attitudes of EZY management.
If I were a betting man, I'd put money on it that the whole outfit is about to implode in a BIG way! Apparently the threatened strike action would cost EZY £2M a day - probably about time the Shareholders clawed-back the Managers' £10M bonus - I reckon they'll be needing it!
C'mon No Sig, haven't heard from you for a while....what's going on?
It keeps getting worse and worse - apparently the BRS Base Captain and another highly respected Training Captain have resigned to join the up-and-coming Astraeus. I understand that another member of the EZY Training Dept is also about to throw in the towel.
Maybe somebody from EZY (No Sig?) would like to tell us the wisdom of the $1.5M decision to make 13 of their new 700's CAT IIIB capable when their own Training Dept cannot do the necessary training.......
or why the CAA at a recent audit expressed serious concerns about the lack of a defined and accountable management structure.....
or why the CAA has queried the lack of applications for various training/ops positions.....
Ed Winter, GO's Transformation Director was overheard last week openly expressing his opinion that the whole merger/takeover has been a complete disaster from start to finish, blaming the dictatorial and intransigent attitudes of EZY management.
If I were a betting man, I'd put money on it that the whole outfit is about to implode in a BIG way! Apparently the threatened strike action would cost EZY £2M a day - probably about time the Shareholders clawed-back the Managers' £10M bonus - I reckon they'll be needing it!
C'mon No Sig, haven't heard from you for a while....what's going on?
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Ladies & Gentlemen
Your fight for humane treatment and fair conditions is against one individual.
An individual who has already lost the suppport and confidence of 'The City' and whose arrogance will surely, if he is not disposed of quickly, bring down what could and should be another Southwest.
Good Luck !
Your fight for humane treatment and fair conditions is against one individual.
An individual who has already lost the suppport and confidence of 'The City' and whose arrogance will surely, if he is not disposed of quickly, bring down what could and should be another Southwest.
Good Luck !
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First, I can't help remarking that these problems have only been around since BALPA got involved. BALPA did me and my colleagues in a previous airline a huge dis-service a while ago, and I trust them not one jot.
Second, I must say that I agree that there are substantial numbers of substantial questions over the running of this airline. The management team might be capable (just, and with much criticism) of running a ten-aircraft operation, but what they have undertaken, both in pure terms and in terms of the requisite management of change, is clearly now beyond them.
Other operators might be criticised (often are!) for over-heavy management structures, and may have cut back, but at least they have appropriate numbers of appropriately skilled AND TRAINED people in place to run the operation, and don't resort to the sort of bully-boy tactics exlained to me at length over a beer in a pub recently, regarding promotion (highlighted by Pilt-downMan), the managing of those who may appear not to squeeze sufficiently maleably into the company mould, and the very basic issue of training and qualification of senior managers.
I agree, this airline is heading for very big trouble. But at least it will enable all of us outside to see we were right not to be taken in by the 'spin'.
Second, I must say that I agree that there are substantial numbers of substantial questions over the running of this airline. The management team might be capable (just, and with much criticism) of running a ten-aircraft operation, but what they have undertaken, both in pure terms and in terms of the requisite management of change, is clearly now beyond them.
Other operators might be criticised (often are!) for over-heavy management structures, and may have cut back, but at least they have appropriate numbers of appropriately skilled AND TRAINED people in place to run the operation, and don't resort to the sort of bully-boy tactics exlained to me at length over a beer in a pub recently, regarding promotion (highlighted by Pilt-downMan), the managing of those who may appear not to squeeze sufficiently maleably into the company mould, and the very basic issue of training and qualification of senior managers.
I agree, this airline is heading for very big trouble. But at least it will enable all of us outside to see we were right not to be taken in by the 'spin'.
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Reading "Stalling Attitude" and "Hot Shots" comments you would think EJ are finding it hard to find Direct Entry Captains. I have applied three times over the last three months and have not even received an acknowledgement
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First, I can't help remarking that these problems have only been around since BALPA got involved.
Months before Balpa became recognised at EZ the management made their 2002 offer. This was OVERWHELMINGLY rejected (circa 90%) by the whole pilot workforce. The offer was rejected because it fsiled to address key Terms and Conditions matters that our Pilots' Council believed were essential. There was NO input from Balpa there.
Later, when Balpa became the official recognised Union at EZ, they supervised the negotiating process up to the present day - making sure it has all been legal - very important.
So, if you have a personal axe to grind with Balpa go and grind it elsewhere because these problems were around long before they gat involved.
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Where do you get your info re CAA audits?
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From the Times:-
January 22, 2003
Easyjet's pilots look at strike
By Russell Hotten and Ingrid Mansell
PILOTS at easyJet, Europe’s largest low-cost carrier, are considering strike action over a dispute about flying hours and whether they should be served in-flight food.
The British Air Line Pilots Association (Balpa) is carrying out an “indicative” strike ballot over the next two weeks ahead of another round of talks with easyJet’s management.
Jim McAuslan, Balpa’s general secretary, has sent a letter to its 750 members at easyJet, claiming the airline’s current offer is “unacceptable”.
He writes: “I have to tell you that the gap between us may not be bridged. (We want) you to indicate whether you will be prepared to support some form of industrial action.”
Although a pay deal has been approved, Balpa says it cannot press on with completing the deal because other issues are unresolved. The biggest outstanding dispute concerns rotas.
Mr McAuslan met Ray Webster, easyJet’s chief executive, on Friday and plans to meet again early next month.
An easyJet spokesman said: “We are disappointed that Balpa has raised the issue of industrial action. This seems unnecessary when talks are still going on.”
January 22, 2003
Easyjet's pilots look at strike
By Russell Hotten and Ingrid Mansell
PILOTS at easyJet, Europe’s largest low-cost carrier, are considering strike action over a dispute about flying hours and whether they should be served in-flight food.
The British Air Line Pilots Association (Balpa) is carrying out an “indicative” strike ballot over the next two weeks ahead of another round of talks with easyJet’s management.
Jim McAuslan, Balpa’s general secretary, has sent a letter to its 750 members at easyJet, claiming the airline’s current offer is “unacceptable”.
He writes: “I have to tell you that the gap between us may not be bridged. (We want) you to indicate whether you will be prepared to support some form of industrial action.”
Although a pay deal has been approved, Balpa says it cannot press on with completing the deal because other issues are unresolved. The biggest outstanding dispute concerns rotas.
Mr McAuslan met Ray Webster, easyJet’s chief executive, on Friday and plans to meet again early next month.
An easyJet spokesman said: “We are disappointed that Balpa has raised the issue of industrial action. This seems unnecessary when talks are still going on.”
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Russell Hotten reads PPRuNe?
Nothing like a bit of publicity to focus the minds of the Directors.
I friend of mine, who was an MD in an Engineering firm used to say "Identify your key staff - then don't annoy them unless you have to".
Not a bad way to run a profitable business. "easyDirectors" had better get focused before they are down the road.
Nothing like a bit of publicity to focus the minds of the Directors.
I friend of mine, who was an MD in an Engineering firm used to say "Identify your key staff - then don't annoy them unless you have to".
Not a bad way to run a profitable business. "easyDirectors" had better get focused before they are down the road.
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Engee73 - one imagines that you mean the sort of highly experienced pilots with 2500 hours total time and / or 2.5 year's airline flying under their belt ?
Wherein to perhaps help make the point.....:
“Twas a dark and stormy night when, the newly the promoted, Captain Billy Whizz was called from standby to do an unexpected sub-charter down to Corfu, as he strode confidently out to the aircraft - resplendent in his shiny-new four bar epaulets – he was looking forwards to doing something different to the normal low-cost route structure. His effo was the also looking forward to it as well, having not long completed an approved course at Oxford, with a total of only 290 hours, she had been lucky to gain a job with this low-cost airline and only last week had completed her line-training, apart from which Billy Whizz was also a bit of a dish ! Their relaxed, some might have said, over-confident demeanour was soon to be severely put to the test.”
Look, in general, it’s all a bit of a no-brainer to everyday flog backwards and forwards on scheduled services to airports with 10000’ of concrete and an ILS at each end. However there have been more than a few so called ‘experienced’ FO’s who – hungry for command - when put in the sim and unexpectedly presented with a scenario such as the above, have not been up to the task when things started going wrong.
There's experience, and there's experience - imho.
Wherein to perhaps help make the point.....:
“Twas a dark and stormy night when, the newly the promoted, Captain Billy Whizz was called from standby to do an unexpected sub-charter down to Corfu, as he strode confidently out to the aircraft - resplendent in his shiny-new four bar epaulets – he was looking forwards to doing something different to the normal low-cost route structure. His effo was the also looking forward to it as well, having not long completed an approved course at Oxford, with a total of only 290 hours, she had been lucky to gain a job with this low-cost airline and only last week had completed her line-training, apart from which Billy Whizz was also a bit of a dish ! Their relaxed, some might have said, over-confident demeanour was soon to be severely put to the test.”
Look, in general, it’s all a bit of a no-brainer to everyday flog backwards and forwards on scheduled services to airports with 10000’ of concrete and an ILS at each end. However there have been more than a few so called ‘experienced’ FO’s who – hungry for command - when put in the sim and unexpectedly presented with a scenario such as the above, have not been up to the task when things started going wrong.
There's experience, and there's experience - imho.
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Who knows when we may also find ourselves in difficult employment conditions - I hope not.
But, to add my ha'porth, if you are shareholders perhaps a mass presence at the AGM or tabling questions, or even calling for a SGM/EGM might concentrate minds without financially ruining everyone.
If not shareholders, or anway, if there have been material changes to terms and conditions since you started working for a company and there has been no attempt by your line management to explain/justify/ask for cooperation this may be leading towards constructive dismissal, even if you resign ?
In my experience, fieldworkers always get dumped on (out of sight and out of mind) even when they get to spend time in the office (not many of us want to do that). Does anyone talk to line management, and get replies ?
Good luck
But, to add my ha'porth, if you are shareholders perhaps a mass presence at the AGM or tabling questions, or even calling for a SGM/EGM might concentrate minds without financially ruining everyone.
If not shareholders, or anway, if there have been material changes to terms and conditions since you started working for a company and there has been no attempt by your line management to explain/justify/ask for cooperation this may be leading towards constructive dismissal, even if you resign ?
In my experience, fieldworkers always get dumped on (out of sight and out of mind) even when they get to spend time in the office (not many of us want to do that). Does anyone talk to line management, and get replies ?
Good luck
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To answer your question:
" one imagines that you mean the sort of highly experienced pilots with 2500 hours total time and / or 2.5 year's airline flying under their belt ?"
No. I do not mean the above. I am talking about (for e.g.) an ex-RBA captain currently in the RHS and others with at least double the sort of experience you are talking about.
I am also not competing personally with applicants from but rather addressing the enquiry as best I can, as a Captain with easy's recruitment team.
There are no 2500 hour captains with easyJet.
Thanks for your humble opinion.
To answer your question:
" one imagines that you mean the sort of highly experienced pilots with 2500 hours total time and / or 2.5 year's airline flying under their belt ?"
No. I do not mean the above. I am talking about (for e.g.) an ex-RBA captain currently in the RHS and others with at least double the sort of experience you are talking about.
I am also not competing personally with applicants from but rather addressing the enquiry as best I can, as a Captain with easy's recruitment team.
There are no 2500 hour captains with easyJet.
Thanks for your humble opinion.
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Engee73 - W.r.t. “There are no 2500 hour captains with easyJet”
Really, does this also include the influx of folks from Go too ?...... e.g. I know one chap ( whom I believe is now a training captain ) who got his B737 command with only very ‘modest’ hours’ – so as such there is a precedent ( sort of ) - mind you, he IS bloody sharp and his TT when he moved seats was nearly all on the B737; So maybe he’s the exception to the rule ?!
However, w.r.t. your ex RBA colleague, one's inclined to say that this seems quite unusual, i.e. that you have an 'experienced' ( 5000+ hours ) chap in the RHS ( which, as you’ll know, is indeed more than some / many of your LHS folks ), and wherein one must particularly wonder why such an adroit and experienced pilot is not being rapidly moved into the LHS ( as per the normal MO of the eJ meritocracy ), especially so when you’ve a growing demand for good quality LHS’ers ( which I know you dispute is not the case, in as much that you’ve suitable FO’s galore ! – apparently )...... and one wonders if this particular example has more to do with the 'old boys club' At Large, which has now come home to roost ?
That said, why is it that a considerable number of the eJ senior blokes are either looking to, or have recently, ‘jumped ship’ – because, as such, this seems greatly at variance with the hype that it’s ‘so good’ at eJ - maybe they know something that you don’t ?!
Ps. (hence the edit)
As a chap with several thousand hours on B737's and many years experience of working in airlines, and other industries, purely out of curiosity - as to who / what they're about - I once applied to eJ.
However, almost laughably, the initial response recieved back from their recruitment department was nine ( yes, 9 ) MONTHS later - and it wasn't even a reply, just some soddin' email shot about how great the eJ recruitment team are, and veritably nothing more than 'hype & spin personified !'
Now if the people in the eJ recruitment team ( though wherein I do NOT include Engee73 ) are a reflection of the efficiency of rest of the eJ management(?), then all I can say is gawd help the lot of 'em.
Really, does this also include the influx of folks from Go too ?...... e.g. I know one chap ( whom I believe is now a training captain ) who got his B737 command with only very ‘modest’ hours’ – so as such there is a precedent ( sort of ) - mind you, he IS bloody sharp and his TT when he moved seats was nearly all on the B737; So maybe he’s the exception to the rule ?!
However, w.r.t. your ex RBA colleague, one's inclined to say that this seems quite unusual, i.e. that you have an 'experienced' ( 5000+ hours ) chap in the RHS ( which, as you’ll know, is indeed more than some / many of your LHS folks ), and wherein one must particularly wonder why such an adroit and experienced pilot is not being rapidly moved into the LHS ( as per the normal MO of the eJ meritocracy ), especially so when you’ve a growing demand for good quality LHS’ers ( which I know you dispute is not the case, in as much that you’ve suitable FO’s galore ! – apparently )...... and one wonders if this particular example has more to do with the 'old boys club' At Large, which has now come home to roost ?
That said, why is it that a considerable number of the eJ senior blokes are either looking to, or have recently, ‘jumped ship’ – because, as such, this seems greatly at variance with the hype that it’s ‘so good’ at eJ - maybe they know something that you don’t ?!
Ps. (hence the edit)
As a chap with several thousand hours on B737's and many years experience of working in airlines, and other industries, purely out of curiosity - as to who / what they're about - I once applied to eJ.
However, almost laughably, the initial response recieved back from their recruitment department was nine ( yes, 9 ) MONTHS later - and it wasn't even a reply, just some soddin' email shot about how great the eJ recruitment team are, and veritably nothing more than 'hype & spin personified !'
Now if the people in the eJ recruitment team ( though wherein I do NOT include Engee73 ) are a reflection of the efficiency of rest of the eJ management(?), then all I can say is gawd help the lot of 'em.
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Re your post of 21 Jan. Very very well said and the quick you cut to is:
“We have an opportunity at this time to try and create a better lifestyle for us all in the long term and if we do not all support one another, Easy/Go, Capts/FO's & BALPA PC, we may as well go belly up now and give the Easy management free reign over the rest of out working time with this company.”
And:
“Many people seem to be looking for ways to justify not withdrawing our labour, but I feel we should have no guilt in that respect. We are fighting for reasonable working conditions/lifestyle which is not only our right, but it enhances SAFETY!!.”
Members of Easy
A number of questions someone may wish to answer:
1. Why do you feel that you have to run away from your “management” rather than very justifiably confront them?
2. Where do you think you will all go in the present climate?
3. What possible option has the “management” in the face of definite and legal withdrawal of labour, other than serious negotiation and change?
4. What would be the attitude of the institutional shareholders to a catastrophic plummeting of share price following the first day of labour withdrawal?
5. What would their attitude be specifically towards the Easy CEO?
6. In the event of a stand-off with these shareholders would your Chairman stick with the CEO, defending him as a competent professional manager with a great track record at Easy?
Rumbo de Pista
Re your post of 21 Jan. Just so we can all judge BALPA’s own track record, what exactly are the details of:
“BALPA did me and my colleagues in a previous airline a huge dis-service a while ago, and I trust them not one jot.”
Re your post of 21 Jan. Very very well said and the quick you cut to is:
“We have an opportunity at this time to try and create a better lifestyle for us all in the long term and if we do not all support one another, Easy/Go, Capts/FO's & BALPA PC, we may as well go belly up now and give the Easy management free reign over the rest of out working time with this company.”
And:
“Many people seem to be looking for ways to justify not withdrawing our labour, but I feel we should have no guilt in that respect. We are fighting for reasonable working conditions/lifestyle which is not only our right, but it enhances SAFETY!!.”
Members of Easy
A number of questions someone may wish to answer:
1. Why do you feel that you have to run away from your “management” rather than very justifiably confront them?
2. Where do you think you will all go in the present climate?
3. What possible option has the “management” in the face of definite and legal withdrawal of labour, other than serious negotiation and change?
4. What would be the attitude of the institutional shareholders to a catastrophic plummeting of share price following the first day of labour withdrawal?
5. What would their attitude be specifically towards the Easy CEO?
6. In the event of a stand-off with these shareholders would your Chairman stick with the CEO, defending him as a competent professional manager with a great track record at Easy?
Rumbo de Pista
Re your post of 21 Jan. Just so we can all judge BALPA’s own track record, what exactly are the details of:
“BALPA did me and my colleagues in a previous airline a huge dis-service a while ago, and I trust them not one jot.”
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ECWK;
Crew food and perhaps other items:
You alluded to changing conditions and grounds for constructive dismissal; if I understand it correctly, under EU labour law, most of which applies in UK, it is illegal to change T's & C's of a contract without mutal consent, agreed negotiation or correct termination of contract procedures. It is not allowed to whilly nilly downgrade an employees T's & C's of service.
Surely BALPA should be able to confirm this?
Regarding the comment about running away from management rather than confronting them: if you are not prepared to stand up for your dignity and self-respect, and not be the door mat of the unscrupulous, why bother to join a union? It's a very expensive route to do no more than conduct annual pay negotiations, and even that has not proved successful, yet.
One reason for membership is to generate unity to battle the robber barons. Now's your chance, and it likely to be the last one. Remember all the bar room whinging you've heard for years in every airline. Not solving this deep seated critical matter, then whinging will be high on the rhichter scale for ever more.
It's amazing that 3 years ago, a senior member of the board made the statement, twice, that the quality of life issue had to be solved quickly as it was critical to the survival of the airline. Absolutely nothing was done and the chickens are coming home.
Bon Chance.
Crew food and perhaps other items:
You alluded to changing conditions and grounds for constructive dismissal; if I understand it correctly, under EU labour law, most of which applies in UK, it is illegal to change T's & C's of a contract without mutal consent, agreed negotiation or correct termination of contract procedures. It is not allowed to whilly nilly downgrade an employees T's & C's of service.
Surely BALPA should be able to confirm this?
Regarding the comment about running away from management rather than confronting them: if you are not prepared to stand up for your dignity and self-respect, and not be the door mat of the unscrupulous, why bother to join a union? It's a very expensive route to do no more than conduct annual pay negotiations, and even that has not proved successful, yet.
One reason for membership is to generate unity to battle the robber barons. Now's your chance, and it likely to be the last one. Remember all the bar room whinging you've heard for years in every airline. Not solving this deep seated critical matter, then whinging will be high on the rhichter scale for ever more.
It's amazing that 3 years ago, a senior member of the board made the statement, twice, that the quality of life issue had to be solved quickly as it was critical to the survival of the airline. Absolutely nothing was done and the chickens are coming home.
Bon Chance.
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I was not including GO, I was under the impression that they required 3000 hours. Easyjet requiress 3000 factored hours (see the website) and when recruiting direct entry captains also required recent experience in the LHS. Which is why there are some very experienced FO's (The RBA man in question was with Virgin in the RHS for 2 years) in the company at present.
It is (currently!) policy to promote from within which is why we are not accepting applications from direct entry captains. This is subject to change at a moments notice.
That said, why is it that a considerable number of the eJ senior blokes are either looking to, or have recently, ‘jumped ship’ – because, as such, this seems greatly at variance with the hype that it’s ‘so good’ at eJ - maybe they know something that you don’t ?!
If you check my post I have not defended the current conditions at easy and I regard myself as well informed.
The recruitment team is given very little in the way of resoucres and they do their best. If any applicant is serious about applying for easy and hasn't had a response for that long it might be worth trying again, in fact if you were serious you might have updated after 6 months. the limitations of the website (due to the few IT resoucres available to the recruitment team) are such that the window that comes up when you press send is in effect you initial response.
They are working on it
easy: It could be great.
I was not including GO, I was under the impression that they required 3000 hours. Easyjet requiress 3000 factored hours (see the website) and when recruiting direct entry captains also required recent experience in the LHS. Which is why there are some very experienced FO's (The RBA man in question was with Virgin in the RHS for 2 years) in the company at present.
It is (currently!) policy to promote from within which is why we are not accepting applications from direct entry captains. This is subject to change at a moments notice.
That said, why is it that a considerable number of the eJ senior blokes are either looking to, or have recently, ‘jumped ship’ – because, as such, this seems greatly at variance with the hype that it’s ‘so good’ at eJ - maybe they know something that you don’t ?!
If you check my post I have not defended the current conditions at easy and I regard myself as well informed.
The recruitment team is given very little in the way of resoucres and they do their best. If any applicant is serious about applying for easy and hasn't had a response for that long it might be worth trying again, in fact if you were serious you might have updated after 6 months. the limitations of the website (due to the few IT resoucres available to the recruitment team) are such that the window that comes up when you press send is in effect you initial response.
They are working on it
easy: It could be great.