easyjet pilots to strike??
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ezyOps Generic PPRuNe User ID
Use of PPRuNe by ezyOps Staff
Due to the new dictatorial management regime within ezyOps and attempts by that collective, to track down and silence certain members of staff, it has become necessary to create a generic user ID.
This will allow easyJet Operations staff to continue posting on PPRuNe, however reduce the possibility of individual persecution.
Any future postings made using this "EZYOPS" user ID may therefore be from any member of staff (operations or crewing) within the easyJet Network Management Centre (aka EZYOPS)
Due to the new dictatorial management regime within ezyOps and attempts by that collective, to track down and silence certain members of staff, it has become necessary to create a generic user ID.
This will allow easyJet Operations staff to continue posting on PPRuNe, however reduce the possibility of individual persecution.
Any future postings made using this "EZYOPS" user ID may therefore be from any member of staff (operations or crewing) within the easyJet Network Management Centre (aka EZYOPS)
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Mate I 've read a lot of your posts over the last few weeks and whilst I agree with a lot you say I have to say your lack of respect for anyone other than pilots does your case no good in the slightest.
I think you'll find that the boys and girls refered to at the top of this thread are protecting themselves from the very people you have an issue with.
They could be a valuble ally if you showed a tad more respect!
Mate I 've read a lot of your posts over the last few weeks and whilst I agree with a lot you say I have to say your lack of respect for anyone other than pilots does your case no good in the slightest.
I think you'll find that the boys and girls refered to at the top of this thread are protecting themselves from the very people you have an issue with.
They could be a valuble ally if you showed a tad more respect!
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hey hey hey Mr Splitter!
Blackdog may well shoot from the mouth a bit too fast sometimes, but I don't read his post the same way you did.
I think he's saying that the persecution of ops staff posting here was caused by other folk who didn't like the truth being posted and wish to censor that truth on this forum, and elsewhere. He's very probably right.
ezyops, be real careful to keep your collective posts sensible and rational, one maverick amongst you will do your cause irreperable harm. Good for you, be fair, be honest, and think real hard before you post (I know, I'm guilty there too, but you have a group to let down in a flash of passion, I have only myself) and do what is necessary to make your point.
We must all resist intimidation of this sort.
Blackdog may well shoot from the mouth a bit too fast sometimes, but I don't read his post the same way you did.
I think he's saying that the persecution of ops staff posting here was caused by other folk who didn't like the truth being posted and wish to censor that truth on this forum, and elsewhere. He's very probably right.
ezyops, be real careful to keep your collective posts sensible and rational, one maverick amongst you will do your cause irreperable harm. Good for you, be fair, be honest, and think real hard before you post (I know, I'm guilty there too, but you have a group to let down in a flash of passion, I have only myself) and do what is necessary to make your point.
We must all resist intimidation of this sort.
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Splitter,
Firstly I am NOT your MATE laddie.
Secondly there is a severe lack of respect across the board towards its pilots.That starts from the TOP of course.
Finally,if we made the Gross Cockups that come out of the Orange shed on a regular basis YOU wouldnt even have a job.
Therefore I suggest you wind your neck in and get on with your job LaDDIE.
Thats assuming your not in the CANTEEN like half of EASYLAND!
Contragulations on being able to read.
One of the 40 has a cookery O level.
Firstly I am NOT your MATE laddie.
Secondly there is a severe lack of respect across the board towards its pilots.That starts from the TOP of course.
Finally,if we made the Gross Cockups that come out of the Orange shed on a regular basis YOU wouldnt even have a job.
Therefore I suggest you wind your neck in and get on with your job LaDDIE.
Thats assuming your not in the CANTEEN like half of EASYLAND!
Contragulations on being able to read.
One of the 40 has a cookery O level.
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It's a stalling tactic. We all know who the real villain of the piece is - they're banking on us giving the new guy a chance, the feeling that he might be more acceptable, or that we need to give him time to come up with something.
In the extra two weeks given to RW to avoid crisis, the best he can come up with is to wash his hands at Pilate's bowl and dump the problem on someone else while he works out his retirement plan ahead of the next AGM when he will get his golden handshake and b**ger off back to NZ.
No Way Ray!
In the extra two weeks given to RW to avoid crisis, the best he can come up with is to wash his hands at Pilate's bowl and dump the problem on someone else while he works out his retirement plan ahead of the next AGM when he will get his golden handshake and b**ger off back to NZ.
No Way Ray!
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This is such a typical airline thing.
Confrontational management out of their depth.
I just cannot understand what their objectives are.
They think they are running a business.
They are destroying a business, and as a result of the obscene renumeration system think they are doing a good job.
Easy are a business who have achieved sucess largely because poorly managed competition.
They have now achieved the same status as the competition.
I hope things change soon.
Confrontational management out of their depth.
I just cannot understand what their objectives are.
They think they are running a business.
They are destroying a business, and as a result of the obscene renumeration system think they are doing a good job.
Easy are a business who have achieved sucess largely because poorly managed competition.
They have now achieved the same status as the competition.
I hope things change soon.
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According to REUTERS this afternoon EasyJet has announced that it has reached a "grass roots" labour agreement with its pilots and that it hoped the agreement would be put to the vote of all EasyJet pilots by the end of the week.
Any details anybody??
Any details anybody??
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One highlight is that instead of five periods of seven days leave per year they will get just four! Aparently this is to 'bring them into line' with other easy workers (who don't have to flog their guts out to the extent that the aircraft drivers do).
Still, it will mean that they won't have to worry about booking 'winter sun' packages in such abundance, as they have been forced to until now by the system which demands taking just two leave blocks in the seven months of summer against three in the five months of winter.
Even with RW already kicked towards the touchline, I can't believe they'll GO for even less time off and more time working themselves into early graves!
Still, it will mean that they won't have to worry about booking 'winter sun' packages in such abundance, as they have been forced to until now by the system which demands taking just two leave blocks in the seven months of summer against three in the five months of winter.
Even with RW already kicked towards the touchline, I can't believe they'll GO for even less time off and more time working themselves into early graves!
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Sorry, I should have mentioned:
No crew food,
Bigger increases for FOs than Captains (in a company that doesn't let them do much),
reduced pay for new hire Captains and those just promoted,
no rostering/crewing agreement,
no loyalty bonus for FOs,
the possibility of withdrawing the 'right' to work over 60 to those on 'up to 65' contracts,
and bonding for type-rated new joiners!
Still, with nine days less leave, there'll not be so much time to regret!
(Many thanks to the fellow PPRuNEr and chum down the pub for sight of the paperwork - cheers 'John'!).
No crew food,
Bigger increases for FOs than Captains (in a company that doesn't let them do much),
reduced pay for new hire Captains and those just promoted,
no rostering/crewing agreement,
no loyalty bonus for FOs,
the possibility of withdrawing the 'right' to work over 60 to those on 'up to 65' contracts,
and bonding for type-rated new joiners!
Still, with nine days less leave, there'll not be so much time to regret!
(Many thanks to the fellow PPRuNEr and chum down the pub for sight of the paperwork - cheers 'John'!).
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"According to REUTERS this afternoon EasyJet has announced that it has reached a "grass roots" labour agreement with its pilots and that it hoped the agreement would be put to the vote of all EasyJet pilots by the end of the week."
Looks like Teflon Ray is really taking the p*ss. Hope you guys have your PR organized for when you strike. If you don't, St Ray will present himself to the media as the goody and the pilot force will definitely take the baddy slot!
"According to REUTERS this afternoon EasyJet has announced that it has reached a "grass roots" labour agreement with its pilots and that it hoped the agreement would be put to the vote of all EasyJet pilots by the end of the week."
Looks like Teflon Ray is really taking the p*ss. Hope you guys have your PR organized for when you strike. If you don't, St Ray will present himself to the media as the goody and the pilot force will definitely take the baddy slot!
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Now if I was Stelios and RW has mismanaged my company to the extent that he did and my shares were worth a lot less because of this, I would not hesitate to replace him with Barb, as soon as you could say RoboChef.
RW has wedged himself between a Greek and a lot of angry Pilots.
Do you Read Mr Webster? Your time is just about up mate.
RW has wedged himself between a Greek and a lot of angry Pilots.
Do you Read Mr Webster? Your time is just about up mate.
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Considering all these posts, and the one about some people wishing the easyjet banner to be removed from Prune, it is a pity that the Trades Description Act can not be brought to bear on ej. It would seem they have been wildly mis-advertising their product to prospective crews.
And; can RW be such a dictaorial whip wielding tyrant that no-one on the board, or in Flt Ops management opposed his views; or is he surrounded by yes-men and lackies? It might be that more than one new face is needed.
Do the SAS supply management Swat teams?
And; can RW be such a dictaorial whip wielding tyrant that no-one on the board, or in Flt Ops management opposed his views; or is he surrounded by yes-men and lackies? It might be that more than one new face is needed.
Do the SAS supply management Swat teams?
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airlines, wages and morale
Hi
I am a journalist wih The Sunday Times, based in Glasgow and cover transport issues for the Scottish edition.
I would like to write a piece for the coming weekend (2nd Feb) about the working conditions faced by some pilots. For some time, I have heard many are on lower wages than one might expect yet still work long hours - the message posted today re: easyJet's pilots would seem to support this.
Hardly surprising in this day and age, yet pilots have greater responsibility than most. I wonder if any would be willing to speak with me, particularly those with airlines such as Ryanair, EasyJet, BA, Virgin and Go! (simply because these are the main carriers out of Scotland)?
Anonymity, if desired, is guaranteed although for my own records I would like to know who I'm speaking to.
I hope a few of you will be able to help. I can be contacted on [email protected] or direct dial 44 (0)141 420 5339.
Many Thanks.
I am a journalist wih The Sunday Times, based in Glasgow and cover transport issues for the Scottish edition.
I would like to write a piece for the coming weekend (2nd Feb) about the working conditions faced by some pilots. For some time, I have heard many are on lower wages than one might expect yet still work long hours - the message posted today re: easyJet's pilots would seem to support this.
Hardly surprising in this day and age, yet pilots have greater responsibility than most. I wonder if any would be willing to speak with me, particularly those with airlines such as Ryanair, EasyJet, BA, Virgin and Go! (simply because these are the main carriers out of Scotland)?
Anonymity, if desired, is guaranteed although for my own records I would like to know who I'm speaking to.
I hope a few of you will be able to help. I can be contacted on [email protected] or direct dial 44 (0)141 420 5339.
Many Thanks.
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As regards the new COO, he couldn't have been given a harder job at a time when trust is at its lowest level. If easy pulls through this it will be the stronger for it but it is asking a lot from pilots who have been treated badly. As in all conflicts it takes a big man (in this case, lots of big men) to see through the emotions and be prepared to negotiate.
Rumbo,
Just picking up on this one point, it seems as though you don't agree with giving the FOs a bigger % rise. Maybe I misunderstood.
This is a subject I have long felt strongly about - in EZY, EZS and other airlines. Historically all pilots have received the same (not large admittedly) pay rises - except once in GVA in my experience when the FOs received less (1.5% to 3.5% I think it was). In time this leads to a bigger and bigger gap between the FOs and Capts. Every now and then the FOs should be given a hike up.
I know that FOs are thought in some places to be two a penny but a little respect (they have been selected according the same strict procedure) is always in order. These are our closest working colleagues and the future of the airline.
Rumbo,
Just picking up on this one point, it seems as though you don't agree with giving the FOs a bigger % rise. Maybe I misunderstood.
This is a subject I have long felt strongly about - in EZY, EZS and other airlines. Historically all pilots have received the same (not large admittedly) pay rises - except once in GVA in my experience when the FOs received less (1.5% to 3.5% I think it was). In time this leads to a bigger and bigger gap between the FOs and Capts. Every now and then the FOs should be given a hike up.
I know that FOs are thought in some places to be two a penny but a little respect (they have been selected according the same strict procedure) is always in order. These are our closest working colleagues and the future of the airline.
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Just contacted a member of the easyjet Balpa PC, and he has confirmed that no deal has been struck yet.
I wonder if the announcement was a ploy to increase the share value so certain members of management could sell a few at a better price.
Although that would be insider trading wouldn't it?
I wonder if the announcement was a ploy to increase the share value so certain members of management could sell a few at a better price.
Although that would be insider trading wouldn't it?
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It appears Toby Nichol has made a public announcement before even a meeting has taken place.
As I understand it no proposal has even been put forward to the council/Balpa. It's difficult to vote on something without knowing what it is!
Nichol also refers to '2 councils'. I thought there was only 1 council - so what is he talking about?
If this was some vain attempt to push the share price up - it only lasted about 3 minutes!
As I understand it no proposal has even been put forward to the council/Balpa. It's difficult to vote on something without knowing what it is!
Nichol also refers to '2 councils'. I thought there was only 1 council - so what is he talking about?
If this was some vain attempt to push the share price up - it only lasted about 3 minutes!