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NutLoose 12th Sep 2022 14:15

Su30 remains that went in by the looks of it vertically, note the back end of one of the missiles on a pylon poking out of the ground.


langleybaston 12th Sep 2022 14:40


Originally Posted by rixt (Post 11295427)
Are there any numbers available of Russian POW taken during the conflict?

PoW is a bit of a misnomer, neither has declared war AFAIK. Combatants?
A further complication is that at least 3 types will be in the bag: Russian military, Ukraian dissidents, mercenaries like Wagner.
Red Cross / Crescent probably reaching for Geneva Convention and checking signatories.
My knowledge base ends 1914!

Ewan Whosearmy 12th Sep 2022 14:43

Caption says Ukrainian forces only just found the site, but it looks like someone has already taken the black boxes from the wingtip jamming pods on that Su-30... would the Russians bother to expend the resources to do that?

dead_pan 12th Sep 2022 15:21

Huge development if true:
Rumoured that they're out of ammo

NutLoose 12th Sep 2022 15:56


Originally Posted by dead_pan (Post 11295519)
Huge development if true:
https://twitter.com/ChuckPfarrer/sta...DdnqcnSXA&s=19
Rumoured that they're out of ammo

Fix bayonets? or more likely white flags.

WB627 12th Sep 2022 16:11


Originally Posted by NutLoose (Post 11295528)
Fix bayonets? or more likely white flags.

Have they got any bayonets to fix :E

ORAC 12th Sep 2022 16:15

Graveyard humour…..

LPR volunteer Murz reports the Ukrainian Armed Forces cross Seversky Donets at Bilohorivka and flanked the LPR 2nd Amry Corps still defending Lyman.


https://cimg8.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune....c85b0723a7.png

Seem to be at least 2, maybe 3, crossings…


Beamr 12th Sep 2022 16:39

Ukrainian farmers are at it again...



Beamr 12th Sep 2022 17:07

More Russian war crimes are surfacing as more area gets liberated.




ORAC 12th Sep 2022 17:49


https://cimg3.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune....9aa40b9520.png

The Military Command of the Russian Federation suspends sending new, already formed, units to the territory of Ukraine.

The current situation in the military theatre and distrust for top command has forced a large number of volunteers to abandon the prospect of combat service. The situation is influenced by information on the actual number of casualties, excluding losses from private military companies and mobilized from temporarily occupied territories.

The situation is getting worse because of the general attitude to the own wounded. In particular, in Russian hospitals, the diagnoses and nature of combat injuries are deliberately simplified, no time is given for rehabilitation to return soldiers to the combat zone faster.”….

Beamr 12th Sep 2022 18:14

Aviation content. Game over for a Russian frogfoot pilot.



albatross 12th Sep 2022 18:17

Hence the grisly term “Trackjam”.


Originally Posted by uxb99 (Post 11295416)
If you are in a tank and you have enemy in front you run them over.
If in a minefield and you have enemy dead in front you run them over.
Just read some books about tanks in WW2. It's not very pleasant but there you are.

I try to look at war impartially. While such images are disgusting to us in war, they are quite common and not necessarily any indication of brutality.
The vehicle that drove over that body may not even been aware if at night, in battle etc. Of course, propaganda would have us believe otherwise.


NutLoose 12th Sep 2022 18:20

I wonder if he is packing for a swift departure?


NutLoose 12th Sep 2022 18:26

Even announcing Russian troops are negotiating a surrender is clever, Russian troop’s will be wondering if those troop’s to their left or right are surrendering and it can spread like wildfire and start an irreversible cascade.

ORAC 12th Sep 2022 18:51

Aviation content. Series of explosions at the major Russian IL-76 base, Taganrog, also the repair centre for SU-25, SU-27 etc…


levington 12th Sep 2022 19:01

ORAC
[Original link to Taganrog video removed]
Other sources state this is actually Crimea.

uxb99 12th Sep 2022 19:12


Originally Posted by Beamr (Post 11295591)
Aviation content. Game over for a Russian frogfoot pilot.

https://twitter.com/JimmySecUK/statu...69417556549632

Flameout while following the leader? Too low and slow to recover. Poor sod but one less.

uxb99 12th Sep 2022 19:15


Originally Posted by langleybaston (Post 11295496)
PoW is a bit of a misnomer, neither has declared war AFAIK. Combatants?
A further complication is that at least 3 types will be in the bag: Russian military, Ukraian dissidents, mercenaries like Wagner.
Red Cross / Crescent probably reaching for Geneva Convention and checking signatories.
My knowledge base ends 1914!

So what are they then? How are they referred to? Criminals?

albatross 12th Sep 2022 19:22

Well, what welcoming country could he retreat to that would not lead to, soon after an electrifying private interview where he would happily reveal certain bank account numbers and the passcodes thereto, a rapid deterioration of his health or a long fall off a tall building.
I am sure they would have a nice, very private, funeral after which, taking no chances, he would be both cremated and then his ashes spread far out to sea outside of territorial waters. (No GPS position of the splashdown point would be taken ).

“Putin? Putin? We can state categorically that Putin is definitely not [ on / in / under ] the sovereign territories of our nation!
Perhaps he out to sea, maybe on one of his many yachts.”


Originally Posted by NutLoose (Post 11295595)
I wonder if he is packing for a swift departure?



https://twitter.com/jadenmiles/statu...86990428209154


Wokkafans 12th Sep 2022 19:25

"Sviatohirsk has been officially liberated by the Ukrainian Army. It’s located south-east of Izyum, toward Severodonetsk."




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