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langleybaston 12th Sep 2022 19:27


Originally Posted by uxb99 (Post 11295632)
So what are they then? How are they referred to? Criminals?

Of course the evidence says some are, but Ukraine has always tried to occupy the moral high ground, as indeed it is entitled. PoWs en masse, whatever they are called, come with big responsibilities and consume big resources. If what we read is true, they can probably be guarded by very basically trained troops, but they need food, shelter and medical support.
The problem I foresee is General Winter: Ukraine itself will need food, shelter and medical support for its own army and its battered stoical population.
NATO needs a good plan to help with the end game, if end game it is.

Wokkafans 12th Sep 2022 20:11

"Surrender cards are being distributed to Russian forces"


Link:

DIBO 12th Sep 2022 21:16


Originally Posted by levington (Post 11295623)
Other sources state this is actually Crimea.

Indeed, Saky airbase attack of Aug, 9th
https://cimg0.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune....0f4f047541.png


Sue Vêtements 12th Sep 2022 21:20

"Surrender cards are being distributed to Russian forces"

Shouldn't hose have say five white flags printed at the bottom so that every time the card holder surrenders, they get a flag punched and once they've collected five, the next surrender includes a free upgrade like an ensuite tent at the camp?



rattman 12th Sep 2022 21:29

The ruzzian channels are saying they are expecting an attack from Vuhledar to try and push toward black sea coast to cut the russian forces

Wokkafans 12th Sep 2022 21:37

"Reports that Azerbaijan is shelling the entire border with Armenia. "

Link:


ORAC 12th Sep 2022 22:09

Confirmation of the above..

”Reports that Azerbaijan have started large scale artillery attacks against Armenia this evening. The Armenian MoD report attacks against the area of Goris, Sotk, and Jermuk”.


NutLoose 12th Sep 2022 22:10

It would appear there is some sense in Russia in the higher echelon in making the state of play clear, and issuing some reassurance.


Meanwhile another of Putins cronies went swimming off the back of a boat.


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NutLoose 12th Sep 2022 22:13


Originally Posted by ORAC (Post 11295731)
Confirmation of the above..

”Reports that Azerbaijan have started large scale artillery attacks against Armenia this evening. The Armenian MoD report attacks against the area of Goris, Sotk, and Jermuk”.

Damn :( I can see more of it happening as Russia is now seen to be weak and struggling militarily to control outer areas.


NutLoose 12th Sep 2022 22:30

Any idea what the vehicle is? I doubt anyone survived that. Impressive combat footage of teamwork.


Diff Tail Shim 12th Sep 2022 22:33


Originally Posted by langleybaston (Post 11295640)
Of course the evidence says some are, but Ukraine has always tried to occupy the moral high ground, as indeed it is entitled. PoWs en masse, whatever they are called, come with big responsibilities and consume big resources. If what we read is true, they can probably be guarded by very basically trained troops, but they need food, shelter and medical support.
The problem I foresee is General Winter: Ukraine itself will need food, shelter and medical support for its own army and its battered stoical population.
NATO needs a good plan to help with the end game, if end game it is.

NATO is post end game. Will not be involved formally until it is. Sweden and Finland members yet? I have heard nothing that has been declared as such?

NutLoose 12th Sep 2022 22:41

Fingers and toes crossed.


Breaking news: 1500 Ukrainian soldiers are reportedly attacking the nuclear power plant in #Zaporizhzhia . Russian troops are trying to repel the attack. The odds ratio would be at least 3: 1 In favor of the Ukrainians. Let's hope there is no nuclear accident

ORAC 12th Sep 2022 22:42

So much for the ceasefire…

Multiple Armenian Artillery and S-300 Air Defenses Systems as well as a number of Azerbaijani Aircraft have all reportedly been destroyed in the Extremely Heavy Fighting that began between the 2 Countries only around an hour ago, I expect a large number of Casualties as well.

havoc 12th Sep 2022 22:48

Think he may need some fresh air
 
Russian Commander Says He's 'Depressed' by How War Is Turning Out (msn.com)

Alexander Khodakovsky, a Kremlin-backed commander and former political leader in the self-proclaimed Donetsk People's Republic (DPR) in eastern Ukraine, has given a rare bleak assessment of Russia's performance in the ongoing war.Khodakovsky, who now oversees a military unit, discussed the possibility of a potential mobilization of Russia's population, as President Vladimir Putin's troops are being pushed out of the southern Kharkiv region as a result of a successful counteroffensive by Ukraine.

The Russian "Vostok" battalion commander suggested that announcing war mobilization—which would allow Putin under Russian law to draft conscripts and mobilize reserve forces—would not solve fundamental issues that exist within the Russian army.

"I want to blame myself for the inconsistency: on the one hand, I am depressed by the results of this stage of the war (I knew we would stop, but that we would retreat, I couldn't even dream about it), on the other - I am against universal mobilization. How to turn the course of events then?" Khodakovsky wrote on his Telegram channel on Monday.

He said he believes that the reason why Russia is not doing as well as Putin had hoped is not because of a shortage of manpower, but because of their "sloppy use, that is, in the organization of the process."


If this approach is maintained, the shortage will be constant, no matter how many people you mobilize, and Russia will be overwhelmed by a wave of funeral notices in the absence of the desired result, which will lead to a serious crisis," the commander warned.

He added: "The shortage is precisely caused by a simplified approach, and continuing to cultivate it means simply grinding out resources in the meat grinder of the war."

The prominent commander warned that if Putin were to eventually announce a general mobilization, the move will serve as a "powerful blow" to the country, "which it will not withstand."

Khodakovsky suggested that lack of manpower is a more minor issue for Russia, saying that his unit sometimes has difficulty locating Ukrainian troops in combat, and that his unit does not have sufficient equipment.

"I have fewer people than I would like—but the main difficulty I have is not in this, but in the fact that sometimes I cannot find the enemy's positions from which they are hitting us," he added. "If suddenly I can, then I don't have enough range to fire at them, or I don't have enough ammo."

His remarks came as the head of the Kharkiv region, Oleg Sinegubov, said that the Ukrainian military had liberated more than 40 settlements in the region that was seized by Russia in the early days of the war.

On Monday, Vitaly Ganchev, a Russia-appointed head of the military-civilian administration of the Kharkiv region, told the Rossiya 24 TV channel that Russian troops are severely outnumbered.

The official said Russian troops in the Kharkiv direction were pulled out to preserve personnel, as Ukraine's armed forces outnumbered them "by about eight times, no less."

Newsweek has contacted Russia's foreign ministry for comment.

Wokkafans 12th Sep 2022 22:49


Originally Posted by NutLoose (Post 11295739)
Any idea what the vehicle is? I doubt anyone survived that. Impressive combat footage of teamwork.

I believe it's a Lada Riva!

fdr 12th Sep 2022 22:58


Originally Posted by WB627 (Post 11295536)
Have they got any bayonets to fix :E

They would have to acquire them from the local population who may be delighted to embed provide bayonettes pointy bit first.

fdr 12th Sep 2022 23:02


Originally Posted by NutLoose (Post 11295739)
Any idea what the vehicle is? I doubt anyone survived that. Impressive combat footage of teamwork.



https://mobile.twitter.com/CaliJourn...40505792200704

@ 1:03 the POV shooter is pretty loose n' fast with his buddies safety. :eek:
lots of firepower for a "car", intel may have been interesting on the occupants.

Driving is a hazard in the contested territories.

NutLoose 12th Sep 2022 23:09

Crikey, this was the Thermal power plant going up.


ORAC 12th Sep 2022 23:22

This is the most important logistical observation in today's ISW report.

Ukraine's "Kupyansk Blitzkrieg" has been running mainly on captured Russian vehicles, fuel & ammo for the last three days.

And the most important captured Russian vehicles are train engines and rail …

NutLoose 12th Sep 2022 23:26

This is GRAPHIC I warn you now, a poor Ukrainian border guard washed ashore with the remains of his boat. I have removed the HTTPS part, he has been missing for some time, but at least his family will get some closure.


twitter.com/CaliJournalism/status/1568433289077362688


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