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NutLoose 12th Sep 2022 09:45

Plus, you have to train them all and that takes time, you then have the problem of a crap supply line.
Thinking back to WW2 and Germany trying to hide the existence of the Concentration Camps, they had a train with a hook on the back that they pulled down the centre of the track ripping the sleepers in half and destroying the railway to the camps, perhaps Ukraine wants to do similar and tear up any lines heading into Russia.

NutLoose 12th Sep 2022 10:09

Rare shot of a Mastiff, also they appear to have M977 trucks


NutLoose 12th Sep 2022 10:38

Germany to supply IRIS-T anti air missile systems


German Ambassador Anka Feldhusen announced Germany's plans to supply Ukraine with two IRIS-T air defense systems by the end of this year and two more at the beginning of next year.She said this in an interview with Radio NV, Reports Ukrinform.

"I am very pleased that we will transfer four such systems (IRIS-T – ed.) This will protect a large area of Ukraine. We have already heard that the first system will definitely be this year, I think, the second system too, and the third and fourth later, at the beginning of the new year," Feldhusen said.

As reported, Prime Minister Denis Shmygal in an interview with German media on the eve of his visit to Germany recalled the announced delivery to Ukraine in October of the modern IRIS-T air defense system, which is now being manufactured, and said that Ukraine could make an order to receive 12 such systems to build a comprehensive airspace protection.
Germany will transfer two IRIS-T systems to Ukraine before the end of the year, two more at the beginning of next year - the ambassador (ukrinform.ru)

IRIS-T Short-Range Air-to-Air Missile | Military-Today.com

NutLoose 12th Sep 2022 10:52

Poor guy, regardless of sides.



Wokkafans 12th Sep 2022 11:04

NutLoose: "Poor guy, regardless of sides."

Very reminiscent of the photo of a German soldier ground into the mud in Russia during WWII.



Aviation content: The Russians AF has also suffered loses not due to direct military action:

"Russian Su-25 crashes during taken off during Russo-Ukrainian war"

https://www.reddit.com/r/CombatFoota...eb2x&context=3


uxb99 12th Sep 2022 11:33

Sadly, driving over troops in tanks is a valid tactic used by all sides in war.

melmothtw 12th Sep 2022 11:36


Originally Posted by uxb99 (Post 11295392)
Sadly, driving over troops in tanks is a valid tactic used by all sides in war.

Tactic for what? Already lying dead in the road and the driver either couldn't or couldn't be bothered to go around him.

ORAC 12th Sep 2022 11:41

BREAKING:

Deputies in 18 districts of Moscow and St Petersburg have signed a statement demanding that Putin resign.

"President Putin's actions are detrimental to the future of Russia and its citizens."

Ninthace 12th Sep 2022 11:55


Originally Posted by ORAC (Post 11295397)
BREAKING:

Deputies in 18 districts of Moscow and St Petersburg have signed a statement demanding that Putin resign.

"President Putin's actions are detrimental to the future of Russia and its citizens."

If true, it looks like the re-education programme will not be short of volunteers. Either that or they will be sent of a compulsory medical on the 6th floor.

DIBO 12th Sep 2022 11:57

And it went not unnoticed: Police pursue local Russian lawmakers who urged charging Putin with treason

uxb99 12th Sep 2022 12:11


Originally Posted by melmothtw (Post 11295396)
Tactic for what? Already lying dead in the road and the driver either couldn't or couldn't be bothered to go around him.

If you are in a tank and you have enemy in front you run them over.
If in a minefield and you have enemy dead in front you run them over.
Just read some books about tanks in WW2. It's not very pleasant but there you are.

I try to look at war impartially. While such images are disgusting to us in war, they are quite common and not necessarily any indication of brutality.
The vehicle that drove over that body may not even been aware if at night, in battle etc. Of course, propaganda would have us believe otherwise.

NutLoose 12th Sep 2022 12:12

The Ukrainian counter offensive nearly faltered due to a rogue................... hedgehog.


melmothtw 12th Sep 2022 12:19


Originally Posted by uxb99 (Post 11295416)
If you are in a tank and you have enemy in front you run them over.
If in a minefield and you have enemy dead in front you run them over.
Just read some books about tanks in WW2. It's not very pleasant but there you are.

None of that is was 'tactic' means, but ok.

rixt 12th Sep 2022 12:24

Are there any numbers available of Russian POW taken during the conflict?

Buster Hyman 12th Sep 2022 12:25

Interesting how they felt the need to paint the “Z” on what appears to be an Ambulance. Are they anticipating that the UKF would target it? Or, is it because their own forces would target it, regardless of a Red Cross.

NutLoose 12th Sep 2022 12:26

Clever, very clever, instead of the usual Ukrainian colours on armour and vehicles, switch to the white cross, The Russians having V Z O and the like are asking whose unit has the Cross unaware its Ukrainian until too late and the Ukrainians of course know this.


dead_pan 12th Sep 2022 12:59

You're only going to fool them once with this surely? Even the dimwit Russian mil will cotton on to the difference in markings PDQ.

ORAC 12th Sep 2022 13:18

Kharkiv Oblast, Ukrainian mechanized forces utilizing British-donated FV103 Spartans in the latest offensive.

NutLoose 12th Sep 2022 13:42

It appears the 4 in the back is not a hinderance as they tend to transport their troops on the top of the vehicles, for rapid deployment and safety reasons, so 8ish pax up top and spare gear down below.

FUMR 12th Sep 2022 14:14


Originally Posted by dead_pan (Post 11295441)
You're only going to fool them once with this surely? Even the dimwit Russian mil will cotton on to the difference in markings PDQ.

I doubt if the Ukrainians will keep on using the same ruse. They adapt as they go along.


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