PPRuNe Forums - Is Ukraine about to have a war?

Linda Thomas-Greenfield, the U.S. ambassador to the UN, called for Russia to be suspended from the UN’s Human Rights Council, saying its inclusion “hurts the council’s credibility” and is “just plain wrong.”

This seems to me 'more of the same' as regards political rhetoric, which is one of the main functions of the UN.
And as to current wars, Ukraine and Russia are not alone.
(If any of you have been watching Ethiopia for the last year, there is some heart rending stuff going on there, but it doesn't seem to hit the news cycle as often).

NutLoose

6th Apr 2022 01:12

Finland to submit a NATO membership proposal to their Government mid April.

jolihokistix

6th Apr 2022 01:22

Good for Finland, going about the process deliberately and openly. Whatever the vote, this will surely send a message to the average Russian that Putin’s policy is backfiring disastrously and actually nourishing NATO.

NutLoose

6th Apr 2022 01:30

Interesting message coming out of Belarus

Beamr

6th Apr 2022 05:45

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Originally Posted by NutLoose (Post 11211160)

Finland to submit a NATO membership proposal to their Government mid April.

This is incorrect. Government hands out a statement of current security situation to the parliament (this is estimated mid April). The parliament then handles the issue and sends its recommendations back to the government. Then, based on this process, the government makes a recommendation to join or not to the president of Finland who makes the decision of sending/not sending the request to join NATO.

Rockie_Rapier

6th Apr 2022 05:47

It would be interesting to see (Nutty?) more information on what Russia is having to do to reinforce Ukraine by withdrawing assets from other disputed borders. A few weeks ago there was a post from a asian blogger indicating Russian naval vessels with moving out to support the Ukraine conflict. https://jbpress.ismedia.jp/articles/-/69335

If the desire to defeat Ukraine led to a net loss in territory that might yet wipe that smirk off Putin's face. A few weeks ago I saw a youtube lecture from the Oxford Union suggesting that ultimately this conflict will lead to Russia becoming a (resource supplying) satelite of China.

Obba	6th Apr 2022 06:40

In response to the video whereby they shot a Russian Vechicle with that sort of laptop that had the square sight with a + in the middle of it.

This video shows the whole system

Asturias56

6th Apr 2022 08:05

"A few weeks ago I saw a youtube lecture from the Oxford Union suggesting that ultimately this conflict will lead to Russia becoming a (resource supplying) satellite of China."

Before the start of the War the Economist pointe doubt that Russia would become increasingly reliant on China - and they would be the minor partner - which doesn't fit well with Putin's world view....... eventually Xi wil be pulling the strings

Imagegear

6th Apr 2022 08:06

With respect, this is not a "local problem" and the error in thinking that it could be kept as such, belongs to the lunatic in the Kremlin. The time for crisis management is over when the world is being threatened with Nukes.
At this stage no one is going to capitulate or negotiate in good faith therefore trust does not exist and things must be taken at first value. If the lids are going to open make sure that yours are the first.

IG

Tartiflette Fan

6th Apr 2022 08:30

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Originally Posted by Imagegear (Post 11211275)

With respect, this is not a "local problem". If the lids are going to open make sure that yours are the first.

IG

You are astonishingly bellicose - thank goodness not in a position of power. Contrary to your opinion this is stiil a local problem, but obviously with the potential to become a lot worse, which your options would guarantee. I think the current actions are mostly right as they are hurting Russia badly, but don't give Putin any real excuse to expand his war. The next steps are banning Russian oil and gas imports, but given the price rises hitting all populations for all goods, it's not certain that politicians - particularly in Germany - are willing to take that step.

Less Hair

6th Apr 2022 08:42

It will happen anyway. If Germany is not cutting it Russia will cut it more sooner than later. Time to move on to energy not coming from Russia.
Will it hit the economy? Yes very much. But Russia will be hit even worse.

NutLoose

6th Apr 2022 09:07

Reports that possibly an S-125 shot down the SU 35, see

https://eurasiantimes.com/after-usaf...y-shoots-down/

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Recently, a Russian Sukhoi Su-35 which is the most powerful jet in the Russian inventory was shot down by Ukrainian missiles while it was conducting SEAD operations. This was the first-ever loss of the Su-35E Flanker that entered combat service in 2016 and is believed to be the best dogfighter in the Russian Air Force.

Experts confirmed that the Russian Su-35 aircraft was flying to eliminate an air defense system based on the remains found on the battlefield. The Russian Kh-31 anti-radiation missile was clearly visible in the footage.

Now, social media is abuzz with reports that the system responsible for causing this massive casualty on the Russian Air Force was none other than the Soviet-origin S-125 air defense system, which is remembered for its assault against American fighter jets, decades ago. The EurAsian Times has not been able to verify this independently.

Ninthace

6th Apr 2022 09:11

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Originally Posted by NutLoose (Post 11211144)

I totally agree, any country involved in suspected war crimes should lose their right to veto or the system should be changed to a majority decision.

I would have thought that would include all the permanent 5 members of the Security Council and a fair few of the rest. As to the majority decision, be careful what you wish for.

etudiant

6th Apr 2022 10:16

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Originally Posted by Less Hair (Post 11211293)

Russia has been careful to keep all its contractual obligations and Germany has been careful to try to do likewise. I've seen no evidence that Russia wants to cut off Europe's gas lines, but they do want to get paid as well.

Timmy Tomkins

6th Apr 2022 10:17

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Originally Posted by baron_rouge (Post 11211135)

https://twitter.com/nytimes/status/1511488871678234642

A good call but the problem is that they should be off the Security Council too, but the UN charter makes no provision for that, so they can VETO anything they don't like. It's a farce.

NutLoose

6th Apr 2022 10:31

Poland purchases 250 Abrams

Brewster Buffalo

6th Apr 2022 10:49

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Originally Posted by Beamr (Post 11211218)

.......The parliament then handles the issue and sends its recommendations back to the government. Then, based on this process, the government makes a recommendation to join or not to the president of Finland who makes the decision of sending/not sending the request to join NATO.

Does that mean that, if the Finnish Govt wants to join NATO, their president could veto the idea? Odd..

dead_pan

6th Apr 2022 10:53

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Originally Posted by Timmy Tomkins (Post 11211331)

A good call but the problem is that they should be off the Security Council too, but the UN charter makes no provision for that, so they can VETO anything they don't like. It's a farce.

Why do people keep going on and on about the UN, as if it has any relevance or influence in this conflict? The votes are only useful to determine which states support Russia - helpful when it comes to investment decisions, where to holiday etc.

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