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Beamr 11th Apr 2022 19:14

Russkies are building up forces near the finnish border.
Although not quite sure why they are moving those coastal missile systems there.
Geolocated 50km from Finnish border.
https://www.google.com/maps/@60.7448...7i13312!8i6656


Wokkafans 11th Apr 2022 19:40



Wokkafans 11th Apr 2022 20:11


SASless 11th Apr 2022 20:13

The Russians do not want to tangle with the Finns again especially when they are getting their Butts kicked in Ukraine!

The Russians might stick to dealing with this Hornet’s Nest they stuck their head into first.

rattman 11th Apr 2022 20:29


Originally Posted by NutLoose (Post 11213846)
The problem I can forsee is ammunition as the NATO standard round is a different calibre to the ammunition the Ukrainians are using in their ex Soviet tanks, that said all of NATO should be able to supply ammunition for them.

There are various version of the Leo 1, does it say which version we are talking about the -4 an -5 are the newer models

Apparently the plan is that the leo ones will go to western ukraine where supply lines are shorter and ukrianias can train them. This will allow the soviet / russia armor to goto the east where it will be more suitable from a training and logisitcs view


Originally Posted by Tartiflette Fan (Post 11213882)
15 Eurofighters with no night-fighting capability ( unsure if technical or training ) thinking about buying Tranche 1 Eurofighters from GB for spares/other material, or in the medium-term buying another plane;

On another forum we had this same discussion. I suggested there 3 practical options for a ukrainian airforce in the mid term. As you suggest there tranche 1 eurofighters from UK and Swiss, the other options would be some of the 46 FA-18 sitting in hangers in australia, they could be regenerated as there was quite a few flying december of last year, got millions of miles and remote airbases you could train pilots and ground crew and no in the world would know. The other probably way more expensive but better long term is the Kuwaities were apparently looking for buyers for thier super hornets last year.

macmp419 11th Apr 2022 20:42


Originally Posted by Wokkafans (Post 11213943)


Dvornikov enters from stage left with the same script.

B@stards 😡

Wokkafans 11th Apr 2022 20:50

Interesting thread IF the numbers are correct.


NutLoose 11th Apr 2022 21:44

If they have indeed used chemical weapons, I thought that was the red flag for the west to intervene?

Re build up near Finland, wasn’t there something about possible Western guarantee’s prior to NATO enrolment? Though he is struggling in Ukraine so a second front would dilute his force’s? Still the threat is at least tying up Russian forces.

Tartiflette Fan 11th Apr 2022 22:28


Originally Posted by NutLoose (Post 11213970)
IRe build up near Finland, wasn’t there something about possible Western guarantee’s prior to NATO enrolment?
.

I posed that question a few days ago but no response.

Wokkafans 11th Apr 2022 22:30


NutLoose 11th Apr 2022 22:57


Originally Posted by Tartiflette Fan (Post 11213990)
I posed that question a few days ago but no response.


Here it is

https://abcnews.go.com/International...-join-83912486



The military organization might also be ready to provide security guarantees to the countries if any potential membership bid angers Russia, NATO Secretary-General Jens Stoltenberg said.

MJ89 11th Apr 2022 23:50

https://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zon...manys-approval

"he believed that Ukrainian personnel with certain unspecified existing skill sets could be trained to operate a Leopard 1 in a timeframe measured in days. "You have to be trained a bit more intensively on the Leopard 1. But if the Ukrainians want the tank, a way should be found,"

SASless 12th Apr 2022 00:25

If Russia has in fact used Chemical weapons against Ukraine Civilians......what should the World's reaction to that be Crime Against Humanity?

Can we just turn a blind eye to it.....just wag some tongues but take no action?

If that is what happens....then what will Putin and his Thugs think they can get away with?

MJ89 12th Apr 2022 00:34

If they used/use Chemical weapons, i say send in the Tomahawks. Like in Syria, plus the french with SCALP

BANANASBANANAS 12th Apr 2022 00:53


Originally Posted by MJ89 (Post 11214010)
If they used/use Chemical weapons, i say send in the Tomahawks. Like in Syria, plus the french with SCALP

I have been reluctant so far to agree with NATO direct action but Putin will just keep pushing the envelope until NATO really has no choice so I think now is the time to act. NATO must demonstrate strength as well as unity. Locate and totally destroy a column of Russian armour in Ukraine with stand off weapons, then tell Putin there is much more to come if necessary.

Buster Hyman 12th Apr 2022 02:28


Originally Posted by NutLoose (Post 11213970)
Re build up near Finland, wasn’t there something about possible Western guarantee’s prior to NATO enrolment? Though he is struggling in Ukraine so a second front would dilute his force’s? Still the threat is at least tying up Russian forces.

Perhaps its his way of keeping NATO out of Ukraine. NATO sees a threat to a member state in the North & deploys forces there. In Put-Puts mind, that's diluting possible forces that could be deployed to Ukraine. The other alternative is that he's gone completely bonkers & just wants WW3 regardless of how he makes it happen. :(

Baldeep Inminj 12th Apr 2022 03:15


Originally Posted by SASless (Post 11214009)
If Russia has in fact used Chemical weapons against Ukraine Civilians......what should the World's reaction to that be Crime Against Humanity?

Can we just turn a blind eye to it.....just wag some tongues but take no action?

If that is what happens....then what will Putin and his Thugs think they can get away with?

NATO will wring their hands and tell Putin he is ‘really really naughty’, but they will do nothing. The spineless and eviserated NATO leaders have already stated that Putin will not be confronted because he has nukes.
Putin can do whatever he wants - NATO is far too afraid of him to lift a finger, and he knows that.
If he has used chemical weapons to slaughter children, nothing will change. NATO and the West will be judged as the people who simply watched.

[email protected] 12th Apr 2022 08:01

All the organisations set up to prevent exactly this happing again - a re-run of Hitler's aggression and expansion - are going to stand by with plenty of platitudes and no action.

Agree with the idea of stand-off weapons to destroy the Russian armour wherever it is in Ukraine.

[email protected] 12th Apr 2022 08:05

With all the revelations about how easy it has been for money to travel from Russia to be washed in the rest of the world, one has to wonder how many senior people in every country have somehow been tainted by association or even directly bribed - it might explain some of the reluctance to act directly if Putin has the threat of exposing financial irregularities over their heads.

After all, the majority of politicians are in the game for wealth, power and influence - see our present lot for a prime example.

dead_pan 12th Apr 2022 09:40


Originally Posted by Tartiflette Fan (Post 11213912)
France - mid March E 300 million gift plus unspecified tonnage of fuel, 60 tonnes humanitarian aid to Moldova and Poland
NL - E 20 million, sniper-rifles, helmets, Manpads
Be - 3 800 tonnes fuel, 2 000 smg, 3 000 assault rifles
Italy - E 110 million gift plus unspecified military equipment
Ireland E 20 million ( noticed while searching that Ireland spends about 0.28% on defence.)+

There may be other donations, but too difficult to search everything

Ok thanks for this.


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