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dead_pan 6th Apr 2022 10:55


Originally Posted by NutLoose (Post 11211335)
Poland purchases 250 Abrams

Does this mean whatever they are equipped with now is going to be transported over the border?

NutLoose 6th Apr 2022 11:09

Previous BBC interview


Beamr 6th Apr 2022 11:12


Originally Posted by Brewster Buffalo (Post 11211340)
Does that mean that, if the Finnish Govt wants to join NATO, their president could veto the idea? Odd..

a priori he could. But if both the parliament and government decides in favour of joining NATO, it would be highly unlikely that the president would then refuse to sign the document.

The reason for the process is that the president is the highest authority in foreign policy, and joining or not joining a military alliance is a very strong foreign policy statement. Therefore his name needs to be in the application.
But the decision to apply for the membership needs to come from the parliament, namely the majority of parliament needs to support the membership. Then it goes to the government which then presents it to the president, which makes decisions in co-operation with the government.

Parliamentary democracy at its finest.

NutLoose 6th Apr 2022 11:12

Janes Analysis of the war

01 April 2022

Janes Analysis: Ukraine Conflict

Janes delivers persistent monitoring of Russian troop and equipment sightings that connects the unit from the ORBAT, location, source data, exercise and mission (where relevant known), equipment with associated numbers, vessel ID, tail numbers, ground vehicle markings and estimated sighting date. Below are a series of recent analysis pieces focusing on Russian troop movements on the border with Ukraine, that leverage the data collected, structured, verified and interconnected by Janes to enable a more detailed assessment of Russian military force movements and capabilities.
https://www.janes.com/defence-news/n...ukraine-crisis

Brewster Buffalo 6th Apr 2022 11:23


Originally Posted by dead_pan (Post 11211343)
Does this mean whatever they are equipped with now is going to be transported over the border?

Wiki says the Abrams were ordered in 2021 and are due deliver in 2025 so perhaps not...

NutLoose 6th Apr 2022 11:27

Some reinforcements are refusing to take part apparently



Nice one Belarusian Railway workers, that'll take some recovering


NutLoose 6th Apr 2022 11:38

Drop tank?


dead_pan 6th Apr 2022 11:39


Originally Posted by NutLoose (Post 11211360)
Some reinforcements are refusing to take part apparently

Old news? Something similar was reported a few weeks ago.


Nice one Belarusian Railway workers, that'll take some recovering
Shame they couldn't have diverted them into Poland by mistake, and the Poles then ship them to the Ukrainians.

Lyneham Lad 6th Apr 2022 11:45

A little bit of payback...

Article & video etc In the lunchtime edition of The Times

Ukrainian forces use Russians’ ‘blazing sun’ thermobaric weapon against them


Ukrainian soldiers have captured a Russian rocket launcher capable of firing thermobaric weapons and used it against invading troops for the first time, according to officials.



NutLoose 6th Apr 2022 11:49

That's occupied Modova :(



golfbananajam 6th Apr 2022 12:57


Originally Posted by Beamr (Post 11211352)
a priori he could. But if both the parliament and government decides in favour of joining NATO, it would be highly unlikely that the president would then refuse to sign the document.

The reason for the process is that the president is the highest authority in foreign policy, and joining or not joining a military alliance is a very strong foreign policy statement. Therefore his name needs to be in the application.
But the decision to apply for the membership needs to come from the parliament, namely the majority of parliament needs to support the membership. Then it goes to the government which then presents it to the president, which makes decisions in co-operation with the government.

Parliamentary democracy at its finest.

This isn't really any different from our own monarch having to give the final approval to anything passed by parliament, in practice, it's unlikely to happen, but it's there as a safeguard I guess.

NutLoose 6th Apr 2022 13:17


baron_rouge 6th Apr 2022 13:59


Timmy Tomkins 6th Apr 2022 14:37


Originally Posted by dead_pan (Post 11211341)
Why do people keep going on and on about the UN, as if it has any relevance or influence in this conflict? The votes are only useful to determine which states support Russia - helpful when it comes to investment decisions, where to holiday etc.

Kind of my point. See the last 3 words.

Whatever you or I may think of it, it is the international body that is supposed to carry some weight and the Russians & Chinese use it to their advantage.

dead_pan 6th Apr 2022 15:03


Originally Posted by NutLoose (Post 11211376)
That's occupied Modova :(

Well good luck resupplying them by air (or land for that matter). Transnistria is effectively cut-off and any transport aircraft would either have to fly over Ukrainian-held territory, or Romania.

If anything is going on their its either a ploy to tie down Ukrainian forces, or some desperate scheme to try and get these forces out so that they can be added to the mix in the Donbas.

Didn't I read there's only a couple of thousand Russian troops in Transnistria, and not much in the way of hardware?


NutLoose 6th Apr 2022 15:42

2000 apparently, I would imagine being now cut off their situation is fraught supply wise, one commentator said they had full access to western and Ukrainian TV and the Web, I bet they are happy where they are and do not want to go anywhere as they know more than those being shipped in from the east.. The last thing you want is 2000 disgruntled guys telling your conscripts as they mingle, the truth.

NutLoose 6th Apr 2022 15:48


Originally Posted by baron_rouge (Post 11211442)

Totally agree.

Tartiflette Fan 6th Apr 2022 17:36


Originally Posted by etudiant (Post 11211329)
Russia has been careful to keep all its contractual obligations .

I think not. The contracts all call for payment in Euros ( per German press ) so Putin's threat to cut off "unfriendly" countries unless they pay in roubles is completely uncontractual;

melmothtw 6th Apr 2022 19:24


Originally Posted by Tartiflette Fan (Post 11211286)
You are astonishingly bellicose - thank goodness not in a position of power. Contrary to your opinion this is stiil a local problem, but obviously with the potential to become a lot worse, which your options would guarantee. I think the current actions are mostly right as they are hurting Russia badly, but don't give Putin any real excuse to expand his war. The next steps are banning Russian oil and gas imports, but given the price rises hitting all populations for all goods, it's not certain that politicians - particularly in Germany - are willing to take that step.

This is most definitely not a 'local' problem'! What effect do you think this is having and is going to have on the GLOBAL economy and security situation? How many countries will be impacted by the millions of refugees that this is causing?

If you think Putin needs an excuse to expand this war or to start any other war, then you haven't been paying attention.

Tartiflette Fan 6th Apr 2022 19:36


Originally Posted by melmothtw (Post 11211610)
If you think Putin needs an excuse to expand this war or to start any other war, then you haven't been paying attention.

Well it's not that he needs an excuse, but would find it impossible to ignore any too obvious affront to his majesty and would feel obliged to strike back.


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