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NutLoose 5th Apr 2022 15:19


Estonia has donated anti-tank missiles, howitzers, anti-tank mines, recoilless anti-tank guns, automatic weapons, ammunition, disposable grenade launchers, hand grenades worth >220 million euros.


Pretty incredible when you consider the size of the population of Estonia. If the US were to give at the same rate, you'd be looking at $80B

Considering the difference in economic might, the US would be looking at more like $155B

Usertim 5th Apr 2022 15:21

Not big in the scheme of things but this video of a Stugna ATGM team engaging is very enlightening , and has good subtitles.


( Buratino is a TOS launch vehicle)

Tartiflette Fan 5th Apr 2022 15:34


Originally Posted by Usertim (Post 11210897)
Not big in the scheme of things but this video of a Stugna ATGM team engaging is very enlightening , and has good subtitles.
https://youtu.be/8FrYM7CxYsU


( Buratino is a TOS launch vehicle)

Did they hit the Buratino because a sub-title said "fuel truck" at the end.

Usertim 5th Apr 2022 15:40


Originally Posted by Tartiflette Fan (Post 11210906)
Did they hit the Buratino because a sub-title said "fuel truck" at the end.

Well I guess it is not clear from images. I kind of understood the bit at the end to be that they engaged a fuel truck too after , but the video ended , maybe they were countered or missed.

They were pretty clear the TOS launcher was the priority, and something was hit .

NutLoose 5th Apr 2022 17:30


NutLoose 5th Apr 2022 17:47

Balls of steel or what, a lone Ukrainian tank taking on a Russian armoured column.


The Oberon 5th Apr 2022 18:46


Originally Posted by Doors Off (Post 11210861)
Could be a buddy lase? Not sure if Stugna is capable of that. As for scatter/overspill/underspill etc, I’m pretty sure that the beam dispersal would be minimal over those ranges. Add in the fact that the 52 is NOE, it would make it slightly more challenging for said LWR’s to ID and warn. I think that crew wishes they had a Roof Mounted sight and not a Glass Jaw sensor.

In addition, it has always been fairly standard practice with ATGMs, aim off until the last few seconds, prevents the smoke trail from hiding the target.

Rockie_Rapier 5th Apr 2022 21:35


Originally Posted by Usertim (Post 11210897)
Not big in the scheme of things but this video of a Stugna ATGM team engaging is very enlightening , and has good subtitles.

( Buratino is a TOS launch vehicle)

Fascinating stuff. Interesting personal interactions, they seem more like a bunch of engineers discussing a technical problem than what I would expect of soldiers in combat. (speaking as someone who has never been in combat)(and old too)

Note the guy at time 2:58 with the Union Jack on his sleeve.

baron_rouge 5th Apr 2022 21:37


baron_rouge 5th Apr 2022 21:51

The folly of the Kyiv part of Russian strategy. This is what you get when someone insists on 'reinforcing failure' - massed shredded Russian vehicles at Hostomel airport.


NutLoose 5th Apr 2022 22:07

I don’t know if these are factual, they seem far fetched.. the second one about NATO members is from a Russian site BTW.

https://twitter.com/Luckyabundance7/status/1511459893710102528

https://www.army.mil/article/248323/landcom_commander_lt_gen_cloutier_and_acting_deputy_for_the_ ukrainian_land_forces_major_general_oleksandr_holodniuk_visi t_ipsc



NutLoose 5th Apr 2022 22:33


Originally Posted by baron_rouge (Post 11211079)

There IS NO border, simply one in the Russians minds, it is all Ukraine, let’s get that straight.

Ninthace 5th Apr 2022 23:17

Talk of the General’s capture may be premature as he has denied it, as has NATO. According to them, he is still running the shop in Izmir.

baron_rouge 5th Apr 2022 23:39


TEEEJ 5th Apr 2022 23:39


Originally Posted by Rockie_Rapier (Post 11211078)

Note the guy at time 2:58 with the Union Jack on his sleeve.

He is just wearing a UK smock.

baron_rouge 5th Apr 2022 23:42


Lonewolf_50 5th Apr 2022 23:44


Originally Posted by Ninthace (Post 11211119)
Talk of the General’s capture may be premature as he has denied it, as has NATO. According to them, he is still running the shop in Izmir.

I await with baited breath a cable (or text) to be sent by the General, proclaiming that The reports of my capture are greatly exaggerated
Spoiler
 


baron_rouge 5th Apr 2022 23:49


NutLoose 6th Apr 2022 00:13

Video proof of the shooting at a cyclist in Bucha

https://www.nytimes.com/2022/04/05/w...imes&smtyp=cur

MAINJAFAD 6th Apr 2022 00:16


Originally Posted by Rockie_Rapier (Post 11211078)
Fascinating stuff. Interesting personal interactions, they seem more like a bunch of engineers discussing a technical problem than what I would expect of soldiers in combat. (speaking as someone who has never been in combat)(and old too)

Note the guy at time 2:58 with the Union Jack on his sleeve.

As TJEE has stated, fitted to the uniform during manufacture and either bought on-line or given to Ukraine.

Shows the Ukrainians as a whole do have a clue what they are doing, though the first engagement failed as the Missile reload team were far too keen and had not been full briefed on the system (like don't reload until the operator tells them).


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