Originally Posted by Asturias56
(Post 11209494)
and of course welcoming refugees with open arms as long as they can provide utility bills with proof of address, translated into English and certified as a "true copy".................
You are most welcome to keep refugees in the eu until checked and then, by all means we can take more. I am aware that the eu is rather preoccupied with energy problems of its own making and France with a lack of intelligence, but now sacked. |
Originally Posted by Beamr
(Post 11209453)
not really, the Mosin-Nagant M91/30 was designed in 1891..
the Russian army used it from 1891 till 1917, and soviet army till the 60's. Must say that I had no idea they had saved the stocks and are really using them in 2022. They also still have stores full of 1000's of captured German K98k's and other captured German kit as well as unused lend-lease equipment, although, I think most of the US lend-lease stuff has been sold off now. I know there were a lot of NOS Harley WLA parts that came out of Russia back in the late 90's, as well as lots of Thompson SMG parts, from the crates of unissued Thompson SMG's from lend-lease discovered in arms stores in Russia in the 90's. One of the K98k's I own is one that came out of Russian storage in the late 90's/early 2000's. |
Thanks, very interesting. Although the usefulness of all that WW2 era kit is next to nothing unless someone decides to arm millions of men with anything at hand and have them walk en masse to the front line. And that would not work anyway.
It is somewhat puzzling that they've decided not to use the most produced assault weapon in the world, the AK-47, but instead have provided the Donbass troops with the M91's and maxims. I've no idea what should be thought of it. |
Originally Posted by Beamr
(Post 11209530)
Thanks, very interesting. Although the usefulness of all that WW2 era kit is next to nothing unless someone decides to arm millions of men with anything at hand and have them walk en masse to the front line. And that would not work anyway.
It is somewhat puzzling that they've decided not to use the most produced assault weapon in the world, the AK-47, but instead have provided the Donbass troops with the M91's and maxims. I've no idea what should be thought of it. |
As I see it, the 7.62 M1930 with telescopic sight is deployed as an effective sniper rifle, despite its age. A completely different beast to an AK47/AK72, and certainly cheaper than a Dragunov SVD-63.
Article here ... https://min.news/en/military/ea4e6b5...b0b6fb35c.html |
Originally Posted by Beamr
(Post 11209499)
...and AN-2 biplanes, whats next, an ironclad in the black sea?
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I imagine it was a fairly long range shot, as it's against HAVOC using rockets in a bunt for indirect fire seemingly to get more range and stay out of manpads threat. Clearly still not far enough out of range.
Not a bad way to advertise performance of the missile. |
The M91 is definately a good basis for a sniper rifle, the Finnish version SAKO 28/30 had better (iron)sights that enabled it to be used as a sniper rifle even without a telescope. Verified by one farmer called Simo Häyhä.
The double maxim indeed has its potential too, but it is a heavy and clumsy weapon. Try detaching it from the tuk tuk in a hurry as an example. The real issue is that those are usable in a guerrilla hit'n'run type toyotawarfare surely, but as an army against an enemy with modern kits those are rather useless. To make it blunt: otherwise NATO would use those as well. If you don't care for man losses and you have endless supply of mindless grunts, then why not. Now there's a doctrine that has lived with those weapons. |
Don’t forget up until 1992 the U.K. was still using the 7.62 chambered Bren, more on the Maxim use
https://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zon...-gun-in-combat |
I would like to take the opportunity to point out that 1992 was 30 years ago....
majority of the Russian forces fighting in Ukraine today weren't even born then. |
Arming DNR and LNR forces with WW2 kit is the usual propaganda method which is not easily understood by western society. Putin is trying to push a concept that this war is only a continuation of the fight against fascism which never ended. "Denazification" of Ukraine is a battle cry. If you would understand more about Russian public opinion you would know that they are extremely proud how they succeeded to defeat Hitler and anything which opposes Russian imperial ambitions is automatically labeled as "fascist". This is a universal enemy. Even crushing Czechoslovakia in 1968 is explained till today in Russian state TV as a necessary step which prevented a "fascist coup" organised by western intelligence agencies. This is the very core of their propaganda.
The pictures of Maxim machine gun, traditional Red Army helmets and Mosin-Nagant is a well prepared publicity stunt. "Fathers who fought Wehrmacht gave their well preserved guns to their grandsons to carry the torch." This is a battle to win hearts of Russian Mr. Public and has a very little to do with real fight with Ukrainian armed forces. I personally doubt that they wouldn't have enough AK-47s somewhere in their arsenals. |
Originally Posted by Beamr
(Post 11209594)
I would like to take the opportunity to point out that 1992 was 30 years ago....
majority of the Russian forces fighting in Ukraine today weren't even born then. Ok Mills Grenade, introduced 1915, left final Indian service 2021 or the Lee Enfield, Canadian Rangers only phased that out recently as spares were becoming difficult. . |
Originally Posted by NutLoose
(Post 11209610)
Ok Mills Grenade, introduced 1915, left final Indian service 2021
or the Lee Enfield, Canadian Rangers only phased that out recently as spares were becoming difficult. . BUFF takes the date to 1950's, anything more vintage? |
Originally Posted by Beamr
(Post 11209617)
this raises the question: what is the oldest western weapon still in active duty within western military (by design and/or manufacturing date)?
BUFF takes the date to 1950's, anything more vintage? https://www.quora.com/What-is-the-ol...active-service |
Originally Posted by Beamr
(Post 11209617)
this raises the question: what is the oldest western weapon still in active duty within western military (by design and/or manufacturing date)?
BUFF takes the date to 1950's, anything more vintage? |
Aren't some USMC MEU units still using specially built M1911 pistols...?
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The New York Times
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Beamr
Given your spelling "definately", you must be a baddie from Line of Duty! |
Originally Posted by NutLoose
(Post 11209647)
The Biden administration will work with allies to transfer Soviet-made tanks to bolster Ukrainian defenses, the first time the U.S. has done so.
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Originally Posted by Barksdale Boy
(Post 11209648)
Beamr
Given your spelling "definately", you must be a baddie from Line of Duty! - H |
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