Is Ukraine about to have a war?
No. Wording is:
...on the forces, vessels, or aircraft of any of the Parties, when in or over these territories or any other area in Europe in which occupation forces of any of the Parties were stationed on the date when the Treaty entered into force or the Mediterranean Sea or the North Atlantic area north of the Tropic of Cancer....
Attacks on forces deployed to a third party country would not be sufficient for article 5.
No. Wording is:
...on the forces, vessels, or aircraft of any of the Parties, when in or over these territories or any other area in Europe in which occupation forces of any of the Parties were stationed on the date when the Treaty entered into force or the Mediterranean Sea or the North Atlantic area north of the Tropic of Cancer....
Attacks on forces deployed to a third party country would not be sufficient for article 5.
...on the forces, vessels, or aircraft of any of the Parties, when in or over these territories or any other area in Europe in which occupation forces of any of the Parties were stationed on the date when the Treaty entered into force or the Mediterranean Sea or the North Atlantic area north of the Tropic of Cancer....
Attacks on forces deployed to a third party country would not be sufficient for article 5.
Looking at the maps, looking at the pictures. looking at the messages I would dare to say: NOTHING is working as planned for the Russian Forces. Disaster for them is glancing more and more around the corner.
Guess they did not take old Bismarck's saying seriously enough: The best battle plan will last at best until first contact with the enemy.
Guess they did not take old Bismarck's saying seriously enough: The best battle plan will last at best until first contact with the enemy.
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Apparently, thousands of Romanians have been waiting in their personal vehicles to pick up #refugees at one of the NE borders with #Ukraine. I'm not often elated at news from back home, but this makes my heart swell. #StandWithUkriane#standwithrefugees
Bloody good show.
No. Wording is:
...on the forces, vessels, or aircraft of any of the Parties, when in or over these territories or any other area in Europe in which occupation forces of any of the Parties were stationed on the date when the Treaty entered into force or the Mediterranean Sea or the North Atlantic area north of the Tropic of Cancer....
Attacks on forces deployed to a third party country would not be sufficient for article 5.
...on the forces, vessels, or aircraft of any of the Parties, when in or over these territories or any other area in Europe in which occupation forces of any of the Parties were stationed on the date when the Treaty entered into force or the Mediterranean Sea or the North Atlantic area north of the Tropic of Cancer....
Attacks on forces deployed to a third party country would not be sufficient for article 5.
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If this is true, I am shocked. I thought that the Russian planning, with their military personnel and equipment, would not be off track from their planned objectives. It seems that the Russian military is not as capable as I thought they were. I also thought that Ukraine had no hope...hopefully I am wrong.
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Holy shit, they are not messing around with molotov’s
watch link for the film, I doubt any got out of those.
watch link for the film, I doubt any got out of those.
The Ukrainians show incredible civilian courage. In a confirmed video by CNN the people are stopping tanks Tiananmen style. It'll be a long war for the Russians.
https://edition.cnn.com/videos/world...kes-nr-vpx.cnn
https://edition.cnn.com/videos/world...kes-nr-vpx.cnn
Someone mentioned a few days ago the Stangeglove scenario. Given the invasion appears to be going seriously off-track for Russia, I wonder if there back channel discussions underway between NATO and China in the event Vlad decides to escalate dramatically and Russia's upper echelons aren't prepared to intervene stop him? Some deal that NATO takes west of the Urals and China the east, to nullify the nuclear threat?
Ecce Homo! Loquitur...
As said, something to watch.
If they are moving out to the eas5 they could just be reserves for the attack on Kyiv.
If arriving and deploying south they are just on the Ukrainian-Polish border and could be for an attack on Lviv or to stop supply and weaponry from Poland to the Ukrainian forces.
But, if so, it will put them face to face with NATO troops.
If they are moving out to the eas5 they could just be reserves for the attack on Kyiv.
If arriving and deploying south they are just on the Ukrainian-Polish border and could be for an attack on Lviv or to stop supply and weaponry from Poland to the Ukrainian forces.
But, if so, it will put them face to face with NATO troops.
Also, reports of volunteers arriving from eastern Europe and beyond (Israel!) to join the fight.
Russian armored convoy out of fuel and lost - and not taking much interest in this passing Ukrainian motorist. Ukraine has been taking road signs down - like the UK did in 1940.
I remember reading on ARRSE from an ex-BRIXMIS poster that during the Cold War the Soviets didn't issue maps below officer level. They relied heavily on field police / guides putting out markers or directing by hand signals. Many near the IGB lived locally and were going to targeted by the SAS if anything kicked off.
The Russians obviously don't have fully digitized battle groups or even SNCOs with those personal flip down GPS / network devices you see on NATO troops these days.
Over extended logistics LOCs are already an issue for the Russians - particularly now the Ukrainians have severed all rail links to Russia.
I remember reading on ARRSE from an ex-BRIXMIS poster that during the Cold War the Soviets didn't issue maps below officer level. They relied heavily on field police / guides putting out markers or directing by hand signals. Many near the IGB lived locally and were going to targeted by the SAS if anything kicked off.
The Russians obviously don't have fully digitized battle groups or even SNCOs with those personal flip down GPS / network devices you see on NATO troops these days.
Over extended logistics LOCs are already an issue for the Russians - particularly now the Ukrainians have severed all rail links to Russia.
