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Is Ukraine about to have a war?

Old 26th Feb 2022, 21:00
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Hoping they hold the night, totally and utterly with the Ukraine..

I do think we should now be involved, even if putting up a no fly zone, as said by the ex pm itís Ukrainian air and they have the right to invite anyone into it. parts of NATO are saying if we are cyber attacked that would trigger NATO into action, I wonder what Putin is viewing the ongoing supply of munitions by NATO that is decimating his forces, itís a fine line between pulling the trigger yourself and helping someone else too.
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Old 26th Feb 2022, 21:05
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Old 26th Feb 2022, 21:05
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Putin's Failure – PJ Media

Ukraine has not won; not in the military sense. It has lost territory, suffered significant losses to soldier and civilian, endured massive property damage. But crucially it has not lost — and that may be enough. Attention is now turning to the possible danger that may attend Putin’s fall. While he appears to remain firmly in power, the ex-chekist cannot but be weakened by the massive failure of his gamble.
The crisis in Ukraine, while not over, is likely to evolve into a crisis in Russia. We shall soon see who is more to be feared: a Putin in Kyiv or a Putin raging in the bunker.
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Old 26th Feb 2022, 21:15
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Old 26th Feb 2022, 21:17
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Seems a fair, aviation related, question….

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Old 26th Feb 2022, 21:23
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Originally Posted by Melchett01
CDS and PUS put a statement out at the start of this on MODNET. They left comments enabled. First comment from an Infantry SNCO - so are you going to stop the cuts now? Response - ĎAckí.

This is your alarm call Boris. Do something about it while you can. What did Churchill do Ö
I donít think Britain would be invited to join. You know, brexit and allÖ
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Old 26th Feb 2022, 21:30
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Originally Posted by Baldeep Inminj
No, not having a laugh. Deadly serious.

Open your eyes - Putin is not in Ukraine. Putin is not invading Ukraine, Russia is! The Russian military is slaughtering innocent people, under orders from Putin sure, but they are doing the killing. Putin is not firing rockets - the military is. They are already going out of their way to commit atrocities. Open you eyes and see what is happening m! The world we lived in last week is dead. It has gone forever. A new order is coming no matter how much you might disagree, and we must do our upmost to ensure it preserves humanity.
To do this, we must ensure Russia is crushed, decapitated and utterly subdued. They must never be allowed a military, and must be kept as a vassal of the remainder of the world - they are only a superpower because we allow them to be, and they have proven themselves to be unworthy of any power whatsoever.

Time to change the world order.
No they are a world superpower because they have one of the largest nuclear arsenals in the world. You are not going to take that away from them, just like you would never be able to
take it away from America.

Living in a fantasy doesnít help anyone. You need realistic options to change the world.
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Old 26th Feb 2022, 21:32
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Originally Posted by Baldeep Inminj
No, not having a laugh. Deadly serious.

Open your eyes - Putin is not in Ukraine. Putin is not invading Ukraine, Russia is! The Russian military is slaughtering innocent people, under orders from Putin sure, but they are doing the killing. Putin is not firing rockets - the military is. They are already going out of their way to commit atrocities. Open you eyes and see what is happening m! The world we lived in last week is dead. It has gone forever. A new order is coming no matter how much you might disagree, and we must do our upmost to ensure it preserves humanity.
To do this, we must ensure Russia is crushed, decapitated and utterly subdued. They must never be allowed a military, and must be kept as a vassal of the remainder of the world - they are only a superpower because we allow them to be, and they have proven themselves to be unworthy of any power whatsoever.

Time to change the world order.
I'm sorry but changing Putin with Hitler and Russia with Third Reich this text could well be from 1945. At that point the allies discussed what to do with the axis and there were voices demanding them to be taken to stone age to preserve world from future wars. Luckily sanity prevailed. Look at how the countries that lost are doing.
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Old 26th Feb 2022, 21:36
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Old 26th Feb 2022, 21:57
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I'm sorry but changing Putin with Hitler and Russia with Third Reich this text could well be from 1945.
I believe the point being made here is about Russia as a nuclear power. At the end of the war they weren’t and there was serious consideration made by the USA about using them against Russia - the world would have been different if they had.

No matter, they didn’t. But apart from nuclear weapons Russia is, at best, a second rate power. It’s GDP is the equivalent of Spain’s, it’s population is the same as Spain’s (which is why they were upset at how they were treated by the EU in negotiations).

The world, especially NATO, is walking on eggshells around them whilst they act as if they are invulnerable - the risk is that others, especially China, North Korea and Iran will do the same.

it si, perhaps, time to accept that nuclear weapons are an unusable weapon. Any user, including Russia, will suffer immediate overwhelming response if they use them. Russia won’t use them if other nations help defend Ukraine - otherwise why would he believe NATO nations would help defend, say, Estonia? We are back to the Yes Prime Minister quandary.

Otherwise would we defend Estonia, or Lithuania, or Latvia, or Poland…


Inidividual nations are not NATO. France and the UK are (at least for a few days) in Mali, the UK and USA are still in Syria, operating in strained conditions against Russia, etc.

There is no reason why the UK or USA should not provide F-35 squadrons to provide air cover over Ukraine outside NATO, or squadrons of AH-64s to defend Kyiv if asked.

If Putin threatens retaliation, ask his military and cabinet if the debacle in Ukraine is worth the price of nuclear war.

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Old 26th Feb 2022, 22:12
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Am I the only one that has a problem with this? I can see Germany behind this all the way. They still have a way to evade the sanctions.

The Russians can just siphon everything through the non sanctioned banks. Itís either all of them or none of them.
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Old 26th Feb 2022, 22:23
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Originally Posted by NutLoose
There going to need to redecorate.


Nah.....I'd make a feature of it Nutty!
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Old 26th Feb 2022, 22:31
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Cuba was arguably the beginning of the end of Khrushchev . Maybe this is the same for Putin.
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Old 26th Feb 2022, 22:41
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"Units in Russia's vast army have got lost in Ukraine and some have run out of fuel as poor planning"

Could read as a post-exercise report on Stanta, Otterburn or Salisbury Plain!

(tongue firmly in cheek!)

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Old 26th Feb 2022, 22:54
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Originally Posted by Baldeep Inminj
No, not having a laugh. Deadly serious.

Open your eyes - Putin is not in Ukraine. Putin is not invading Ukraine, Russia is! The Russian military is slaughtering innocent people, under orders from Putin sure, but they are doing the killing. Putin is not firing rockets - the military is. They are already going out of their way to commit atrocities. Open you eyes and see what is happening m! The world we lived in last week is dead. It has gone forever. A new order is coming no matter how much you might disagree, and we must do our upmost to ensure it preserves humanity.
To do this, we must ensure Russia is crushed, decapitated and utterly subdued. They must never be allowed a military, and must be kept as a vassal of the remainder of the world - they are only a superpower because we allow them to be, and they have proven themselves to be unworthy of any power whatsoever.

Time to change the world order.
The problem with this theory is that Russia already tried that option when the USSR collapsed. Unlike in 1925, when Herbert Hoover arranged a massive and very effective famine relief program for communist Russia, the western world did not help them at all, but rather sent looters in the guise of academic advisers and economic experts.
Life expectancy fell by 5 years between 1990 and 1994, an unprecedented such drop for any industrialized country anywhere. The whole country's people suffered in ways reminiscent of the siege of Leningrad. The kleptocracy that emerged to run Russia today is a direct result.
With that precedent, Russia will never again submit to foreign guidance.

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Originally Posted by typerated
If Poland fought with Ukraine in Ukraine - but then Russia retaliated against Poland in Poland?
Then Article 5 invoked, and all 30 NATO countries declare war on Russia.
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That went well.

Originally Posted by Flyhighfirst
No they are a world superpower because they have one of the largest nuclear arsenals in the world. You are not going to take that away from them, just like you would never be able to
take it away from America.

Living in a fantasy doesnít help anyone. You need realistic options to change the world.
When Ukraine had the third largest nuclear arsenal in the world, they agreed to give it up, after assurance from Russia et al. that they would look after them in the future.
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