Go Back  PPRuNe Forums > Aircrew Forums > Military Aviation
Reload this Page >

Is Ukraine about to have a war?

Military Aviation A forum for the professionals who fly military hardware. Also for the backroom boys and girls who support the flying and maintain the equipment, and without whom nothing would ever leave the ground. All armies, navies and air forces of the world equally welcome here.

Is Ukraine about to have a war?

Old 11th Dec 2022, 08:57
  #12541 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Aug 2021
Location: EHEH
Posts: 542
Received 252 Likes on 78 Posts
Oh come on guys! It needs to be filmed to show the graphic horrors of war. There were others there to help the injured. The real issue is that they most likely had no medical kits available to help with. You see one guy put a blanket over his injured comrade. It's probably all he could do. I doubt if they have been trained in basic first aid either.
FUMR is offline  
Old 11th Dec 2022, 09:16
  #12542 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Nov 2022
Location: SW England
Age: 72
Posts: 251
Received 78 Likes on 42 Posts
On the topic of videos posted around the web, plus a lot of the social media comments (particularly Twitter) I think we all need to treat a lot of them, probably the majority of them, as being faked, tampered with, or otherwise misrepresentative. We all (mostly) want to see Ukraine doing well, and highlight anything negative about Russia, and that is influencing the way social media is reacting, I'm sure. There are people that use some social media outlets, like Twitter, that feel more important if their content is viewed more than that of others. That has to create a strong bias to post stuff to get more views, and some of that stuff may not be as it seems.

Obviously there are a few reliable sources around, but one notable feature from early on has been that Ukraine is very adept at managing the information flow from their country and garnering a lot of support from many countries for the way they are being unmercifully attacked by Russia. I give them great credit for that, the contrast with the almost amateurish way that Russia is trying to deceive is stark. However, the winning side in any war wins partly because their propaganda is better than that of their opponent.

One noticeable feature in many recent snippets on Twitter is that the images are either doctored or are not what they are assumed to portray. It's been winter along much of the active front over the past month, yet we are still seeing videos where there are deciduous trees in leaf, for example. Finding accurate sources of gossip from the front lines is not easy, especially as Ukraine seems to have done a pretty good job over the past few months of stopping a lot of the unofficial videos that were being released (remember all the tractors towing armoured vehicle videos, early on, for example).

No idea how we validate anything that appears on Twitter, to be honest, or in the mainstream media. I think we need to assume that we only have a very vague idea of what might really be going on right now, and that's probably a very good thing for Ukraine.
_Agrajag_ is offline  
Old 11th Dec 2022, 09:28
  #12543 (permalink)  

Evertonian
 
Join Date: May 2000
Location: #3117# Ppruner of the Year Nominee 2005
Posts: 12,523
Received 106 Likes on 60 Posts
Originally Posted by fdr
Dual hydraulic systems....probably not a great idea to turn off the noise airborne.
Cheers, fdr. I probably wasn't clear in what I was referring to, but I meant after he'd come to a stop. Seemed to continue running them. I initially thought I may have misjudged the video, but the drag chutes are clearly full of air. (wind perhaps?)
Buster Hyman is offline  
Old 11th Dec 2022, 10:07
  #12544 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Jan 2019
Location: Cumbria
Posts: 377
Received 173 Likes on 57 Posts
Originally Posted by Buster Hyman
Cheers, fdr. I probably wasn't clear in what I was referring to, but I meant after he'd come to a stop. Seemed to continue running them. I initially thought I may have misjudged the video, but the drag chutes are clearly full of air. (wind perhaps?)
Tumanski R-11 and R-13 appear to have the majority of engine accessories at the 6 o'clock position, and that would probably include the FCU. Possible that engine controls would be damaged during a belly landing.
DuncanDoenitz is offline  
Old 11th Dec 2022, 11:30
  #12545 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Aug 2010
Location: Frensham
Posts: 848
Received 90 Likes on 48 Posts
"Previously unseen footage of the destruction of the Russian autonomous technical observation post “Grenadier” using the Switchblade 300 by Ukrainian force. 2022"

https://www.reddit.com/r/CombatFoota...eb2x&context=3
Wokkafans is offline  
Old 11th Dec 2022, 13:27
  #12546 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Feb 2006
Location: Hanging off the end of a thread
Posts: 33,108
Received 2,953 Likes on 1,259 Posts
That picture of the bloodied Ukrainian Mig 29 pilot was actually a selfie he took after bailing out and was hanging under his chute!

https://www.forbes.com/sites/davidax...h=73ef845d157c


Fascinating recount of the air defence of Kyiv in the early days.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/davidax...h=1b44d37f6711
NutLoose is offline  
Old 11th Dec 2022, 13:28
  #12547 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Feb 2006
Location: Hanging off the end of a thread
Posts: 33,108
Received 2,953 Likes on 1,259 Posts
Originally Posted by Buster Hyman
Thanks for the Donk info Dunc! Damage upon landing would make perfect sense with that arrangement.
More like he was dazed, wounded or simply trying to get out of it.
NutLoose is offline  
Old 11th Dec 2022, 15:40
  #12548 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Apr 2020
Location: Rhone-Alpes
Posts: 1,185
Received 293 Likes on 163 Posts
Originally Posted by Wokkafans
"Previously unseen footage of the destruction of the Russian autonomous technical observation post “Grenadier” using the Switchblade 300 by Ukrainian force. 2022"

https://www.reddit.com/r/CombatFoota...eb2x&context=3
Unsure if it is because I am not a Reddit member, however I just got linked to pages of different posts, none of which was the the switchblade post mentioned
Tartiflette Fan is online now  
Old 11th Dec 2022, 15:50
  #12549 (permalink)  
Ecce Homo! Loquitur...
 
Join Date: Jul 2000
Location: Peripatetic
Posts: 17,562
Received 1,693 Likes on 778 Posts
Looks like something major is underway……

The whole day I'm looking at the developments at Chervonopopivka, near Kreminna. And the more I read, the more I have to grin. Give it a few more hours...

I have had some indications that things have been going on there but under tight OPSEC. The most recent indication was word about a week ago of special operators moving out in that direction carrying a heavier than normal combat load and with great anticipation…..

​​​​​​​
ORAC is online now  
Old 11th Dec 2022, 16:18
  #12550 (permalink)  
Ecce Homo! Loquitur...
 
Join Date: Jul 2000
Location: Peripatetic
Posts: 17,562
Received 1,693 Likes on 778 Posts
Smoking…..

Governor: Explosion reported at Wagner headquarters in occupied Luhansk Oblast.

According to Luhansk Oblast Governor Serhiy Haidai, an explosion occurred at the headquarters of Russian state-controlled mercenary Wagner Group in Kadiivka. “There are huge losses," he said.
ORAC is online now  
Old 11th Dec 2022, 17:20
  #12551 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Mar 2010
Location: Often in Jersey, but mainly in the past.
Age: 79
Posts: 7,819
Received 142 Likes on 65 Posts
Excellent news.
MPN11 is offline  
Old 11th Dec 2022, 18:05
  #12552 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Apr 2010
Location: Herefordshire
Posts: 785
Received 603 Likes on 216 Posts
Originally Posted by ORAC
Smoking…..



Governor: Explosion reported at Wagner headquarters in occupied Luhansk Oblast.

According to Luhansk Oblast Governor Serhiy Haidai, an explosion occurred at the headquarters of Russian state-controlled mercenary Wagner Group in Kadiivka. “There are huge losses," he said.
Let’s hope lots of their senior commanders chief thugs were there at the time. It’s just about possible to feel a bit of sympathy for the conscripts being sent there, but not those bastards.
Video Mixdown is online now  
Old 12th Dec 2022, 07:03
  #12553 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Jun 2011
Location: Slovakia
Age: 58
Posts: 280
Received 246 Likes on 40 Posts
Originally Posted by ORAC
Looks like something major is underway……



The whole day I'm looking at the developments at Chervonopopivka, near Kreminna. And the more I read, the more I have to grin. Give it a few more hours...

I have had some indications that things have been going on there but under tight OPSEC. The most recent indication was word about a week ago of special operators moving out in that direction carrying a heavier than normal combat load and with great anticipation…..
I am not so sure if it is good news today. I like this channel because the guy is reporting also if there is some Ukrainian FUBAR.


Pali is offline  
Old 12th Dec 2022, 09:23
  #12554 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Feb 2006
Location: Hanging off the end of a thread
Posts: 33,108
Received 2,953 Likes on 1,259 Posts
They keep racking up the numbers, 100,000 less Christmas presents will be needed at this rate.




Pyrotechnicians have inspected a total of 76,432 hectares of land for unexploded ordinance - an area larger than the entire middle eastern country of Bahrain.

Ukraine has defused over 300,000 explosives. Since the beginning of Russia's full-scale military invasion, at least 302,802 explosives and 2,891 kilogram of explosives, including 2,155 aircraft-delivered bombs, have been neutralized, Ukraine's State Emergency Service reports.
NutLoose is offline  
Old 12th Dec 2022, 09:30
  #12555 (permalink)  
Ecce Homo! Loquitur...
 
Join Date: Jul 2000
Location: Peripatetic
Posts: 17,562
Received 1,693 Likes on 778 Posts
Many observers have noted the difficulties that the Russians face in coping with winter in Ukraine, including deficiencies in clothing, discipline and leadership. But there's another critical factor worth highlighting: supplies of food and water. ⬇️

​​​​​​​https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1...007413250.html
ORAC is online now  
Old 12th Dec 2022, 09:51
  #12556 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Nov 2022
Location: SW England
Age: 72
Posts: 251
Received 78 Likes on 42 Posts
Originally Posted by ORAC
Many observers have noted the difficulties that the Russians face in coping with winter in Ukraine, including deficiencies in clothing, discipline and leadership. But there's another critical factor worth highlighting: supplies of food and water. ⬇️

​​​​​​​https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1...007413250.html

Orac, can I just say thank you for those Threadreader links. As a non-Twitter user they make reading the content massively easier and save me having to open Threadreader and manually copy Twitter links from here to read them (if you are not a registered Twitter member Twitter stops you reading threads after a few seconds, or at least it does for me)
_Agrajag_ is offline  
Old 12th Dec 2022, 11:30
  #12557 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Feb 2006
Location: Hanging off the end of a thread
Posts: 33,108
Received 2,953 Likes on 1,259 Posts
Bakhmut is one I cannot get my head around, Ukraine has been using Nato style tactics effectively up until now and although they are depleting Russia's troops in the area of Bakhmut it comes with a cost, It almost feels like Ukraine is fighting to hold the city on Russia's terms and tactics, they have learnt to keep their supplies back out of range of Himars and are using artillery firepower to try and inflict the most damage on the Ukrainians, it is almost a Russian WW1 mentality for a city they said early on that had no strategic relevance. It also appears to be buying Russia time.
NutLoose is offline  
Old 12th Dec 2022, 11:46
  #12558 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Feb 2006
Location: Hanging off the end of a thread
Posts: 33,108
Received 2,953 Likes on 1,259 Posts


NutLoose is offline  
Old 12th Dec 2022, 11:56
  #12559 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Feb 2006
Location: Hanging off the end of a thread
Posts: 33,108
Received 2,953 Likes on 1,259 Posts
T90M's being sent to the front, I would ignore the numbers mentioned though.

NutLoose is offline  
Old 12th Dec 2022, 12:03
  #12560 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Feb 2006
Location: Hanging off the end of a thread
Posts: 33,108
Received 2,953 Likes on 1,259 Posts
Serbia is apparently providing equipment and weapons to Russia, the toy helmet being shown on the web is actually a Serbian Kevlar Helmet with the sticker added to get around export restrictions. whether true or not is one of those things, its plausible, also check out the Serbian soldier wearing a Z.


NutLoose is offline  

Thread Tools
Search this Thread

Contact Us - Archive - Advertising - Cookie Policy - Privacy Statement - Terms of Service

Copyright © 2024 MH Sub I, LLC dba Internet Brands. All rights reserved. Use of this site indicates your consent to the Terms of Use.