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Is Ukraine about to have a war?

Old 14th Feb 2023, 07:59
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What comes to the stored tanks, the storage conditions aren't apparently equal to western understanding of storing conditions. Stored outdoors without any care for 30-40 years means they are beyond salvage, at least without thorough build-up from scratch.
Sounds like a job for the Czech's Excalibur Army refurbishing facility. Jokes aside, slightly, if the right price was correctly shared (emphasis on the latter), the repair shop could have a nice stream of hulls to work on for the blue-yellow team.
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Old 14th Feb 2023, 08:18
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On that thought, lots of hulls for Excalibur Army.
pictures from Vuhledar where the Russian 155th marine brigade is said to have been destroyed completely. Estimates are 5000 KIA, MIA, WIA or POW, including high command. This is just one spot there but the scale of the artillery fire concentration at this location can be understood from the closeups of destroyed individual vehicles.
That must've been hell for the Z-ombies. Good.


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Old 14th Feb 2023, 12:11
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That certainly puts the consumption of ammunition into perspective.
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Remember the fur coats for dead husbands, see the link.

Well apparently the fur coats were stolen by the group from a retail shop in Kherson and handed to the women who made the propoganda film showing them recieving their coats... after the film was shot, yup you guessed it, the fur coats were stolen back for the second time from the women by those handing them over... They are probably doing the rounds of war widows as we speak.

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Old 14th Feb 2023, 13:11
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Moldovan airspace has been closed
https://www.reuters.com/world/europe...ys-2023-02-14/
No one appears to know why yet.
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Old 14th Feb 2023, 13:27
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Moldovan airspace has been reopened — Aviation Authorities.

According to local media the airspace was closed after reported Russian drone activity in southwest Ukraine.
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Old 14th Feb 2023, 13:54
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https://wartranslated.com/pravda-com...-oleh-faydyuk/

An interview with colonel Oleh Faydyuk, Commander of the 45th Separate Artillery Brigade

…..(I): How long did it take you to turn a man in sneakers and jeans, who was living his civilian life a few hours ago, into an artilleryman?

(O): We had very limited time, first of all. Secondly, the most motivated people came to us on the first day, which had a lot to do with it. So in 10-14 days, we were ready to participate in combat operations. We learned very quickly….

In 2006, when I was still a battery commander and we went to the training ground for a month, and a half a year, no one was particularly engaged in combat training. The soldiers went on patrols, cleaned the territory, whitewashed… Sometimes they fired.

Nowadays, I, or any career officer who have been in the military for at least six months, can train a gunner in two weeks from an average citizen. No matter who he was in civilian life – an IT specialist, a janitor, a manager.Another example is the time it takes for our military to master Western weapons. To be more precise, it is correct to say not “Western” but “weapons provided by partners”.

For the French or Americans, it takes six months to train on the M777. Ours takes 2-3 weeks……


(I): What is the ratio of Western to Ukrainian and Soviet weapons in your brigade?

(O): As of now, it is 50/50. I hope that after Ramstein, another divizion will be rearmed.

(I): What Western weapons do you have? The M777, for example, is publicly known.

(O): We also have TRF – French guns. It is a predecessor to Caesar, but it is a trailer mounted weapon, very similar to FH70, which everyone has probably seen.

(I): Can you use high-precision Excalibur shells on the TRF?

(O): I can’t answer that… Theoretically, of course, yes – the caliber is the same.

(I): How do you assess the role of Western weapons in this war? Would Ukraine be able to defend itself or counterattack without Western weapons?

(O): The point here is not that Western weapons are available in principle, but in logistics. Why did we start using Western weapons more?

Not only because it is more accurate but because, in addition to its advantages, it also has disadvantages. The main reason is the lack of 122 and 152 millimeters of Soviet-style ammunition. Since the world has more stocks of 155mm, we switched to it. And now the percentage of 155s being used is ten times higher than 152s.

Just like in the First World War, logistics worked in the Second World War. Whoever has a larger supply of resources wins…..

(I): But, for example, the infantry has discovered a target, reported it to you, and what happens next – what is the sequence of actions?

(O): There are several ways. First, the infantry sees something and directly contacts me via the combat control chat, gives me the approximate coordinates and asks me to deliver a fire strike. If there is no Internet, then radio stations are used, but this is a longer way.

Now almost all infantry battalions have Mavic, some have Matrice, and the super-fashionable ones even have some kind of “wings”, i.e. airplane-type drones. And that’s all they do – they stream from the drone. I don’t even have to give the coordinates, I can see where the enemy is and strike there.

(I): What is the speed of your reaction to such a message?

(O): If we saw something right now [nodding to the monitors ], it would take three to five minutes, and a shell would land there……

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Old 14th Feb 2023, 16:43
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He looks like he's telling a lot more of the subject than he is saying out loud.


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Old 14th Feb 2023, 16:55
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Old 14th Feb 2023, 17:04
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Another one bites the dust.

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Old 14th Feb 2023, 17:22
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Oh look a fallen kamikaze drone...

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Old 14th Feb 2023, 18:51
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But was it a pointed stick?

"Ooh, ooh, ooh; we want to learn how to defend ourselves against pointed sticks, do we? Getting all high and mighty, eh? Fresh fruit not good enough for you, eh? Well, let me tell you something, my lad! When you're walking home tonight and some great homicidal maniac comes after YOU with a bunch of loganberries,
don't come cryin' to me!"
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Old 14th Feb 2023, 19:16
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Russian SU24 got some damage. Text says hit by a missile but no knowledge what sort of.


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Old 14th Feb 2023, 20:00
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BBC reports US expects UKR to launch spring counter-offensive.

On one level it matters not if is true.
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Old 14th Feb 2023, 20:57
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Ukraine has officially requested F16's from the Netherlands.
I've no idea what has been discussed but Ukrainian Defence Minister sure looked like a happy camper earlier in the day.

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Old 15th Feb 2023, 04:32
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Nut loose.
From my readings 'some' of those are destined to UKR, and others to bolster up some other NATO or EU members.
So not sure on what % is for UKR.
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Old 15th Feb 2023, 06:51
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Originally Posted by ORAC
https://wartranslated.com/pravda-com...-oleh-faydyuk/

An interview with colonel Oleh Faydyuk, Commander of the 45th Separate Artillery Brigade

Just like in the First World War, logistics worked in the Second World War. Whoever has a larger supply of resources wins…..…
I hope we can manufacture the estimated 2 Million arty shells a year they need. Better even more. It's all about war economics. The Free World has to out manufacture Russia in all aspects. And Russia has to realize it can't compete economically.
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Old 15th Feb 2023, 07:03
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Originally Posted by NutLoose
Did he fall out a window?
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Old 15th Feb 2023, 07:07
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Originally Posted by Obba
Nut loose.
From my readings 'some' of those are destined to UKR, and others to bolster up some other NATO or EU members.
So not sure on what % is for UKR.
Very large portion actually, this is an extract from the package of January in which the bradleys and other vehicles were included

Ukraine will be provided with
- 50 Bradleys equipped with 500 TOW anti-tank missiles and 250,000 rounds of 25mm ammunition.
- 100 M113 armored personnel carriers, which Ukraine already operates,
- 55 mine-resistant vehicles,
- 138 HMMWV vehicles,
- 18 M109 155mm self-propelled howitzers, and
- 36 105mm towed howitzers.



https://kyivindependent.com/national...ge-for-ukraine
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