Is Ukraine about to have a war?
USA to provide long range rocket systems, these could be a game changer as they could reach Sevastopol, the bridge, their artillery and probably even Moscow, though I doubt that will happen.
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/polit...wWLQZPZZNkcP-0
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/polit...wWLQZPZZNkcP-0
President Biden on Monday said his administration will not send to Ukraine long-range missile systems that can strike into Russian territory, sending a conflicting message after media outlets reported that officials were preparing to send weapons with long-distance capabilities.
“We are not going to send to Ukraine rocket systems that strike into Russia,” Biden told reporters on the South Lawn.
The statement conflicts with reporting by CNN and The Washington Post that the administration was preparing to provide Ukraine with the Multiple Launch Rocket System (MLRS), a U.S.-made system that can fire rockets up to 300 kilometers, allowing Ukrainian forces to strike into Russian territory.
It’s possible the U.S. package will only include shorter-range rockets that can’t strike beyond 50 miles.
Ukrainian officials have requested MLRS artillery for months and Sen. Rob Portman (R-Ohio), an influential member of the Senate Foreign Relations Committee, backed up the request in a statement after meeting with senior U.S. military officials in Germany.
“The admin must immediately provide Ukraine with the multiple launch rocket systems (MLRS) Ukraine has requested. This defensive weaponry will help Ukraine defend the eastern portion of its country against Russia’s advances,” Portman tweeted on Sunday.
“The admin must not deter itself from providing this assistance for fear of provoking Russia. The MLRS can help balance the field in Ukraine’s favor and should be approved and shipped immediately,” he added.
Olga Skabeeva, a Russian television host, warned Friday that shipping long-range rockets to Ukraine would cross what she called a red line.
“The U.S. MLRS can launch shells over 500 kilometers. And if the Americans do this, they will clearly cross a red line, and we will record an attempt to provoke a very harsh response from Russia,” she warned.
“We are not going to send to Ukraine rocket systems that strike into Russia,” Biden told reporters on the South Lawn.
The statement conflicts with reporting by CNN and The Washington Post that the administration was preparing to provide Ukraine with the Multiple Launch Rocket System (MLRS), a U.S.-made system that can fire rockets up to 300 kilometers, allowing Ukrainian forces to strike into Russian territory.
It’s possible the U.S. package will only include shorter-range rockets that can’t strike beyond 50 miles.
Ukrainian officials have requested MLRS artillery for months and Sen. Rob Portman (R-Ohio), an influential member of the Senate Foreign Relations Committee, backed up the request in a statement after meeting with senior U.S. military officials in Germany.
“The admin must immediately provide Ukraine with the multiple launch rocket systems (MLRS) Ukraine has requested. This defensive weaponry will help Ukraine defend the eastern portion of its country against Russia’s advances,” Portman tweeted on Sunday.
“The admin must not deter itself from providing this assistance for fear of provoking Russia. The MLRS can help balance the field in Ukraine’s favor and should be approved and shipped immediately,” he added.
Olga Skabeeva, a Russian television host, warned Friday that shipping long-range rockets to Ukraine would cross what she called a red line.
“The U.S. MLRS can launch shells over 500 kilometers. And if the Americans do this, they will clearly cross a red line, and we will record an attempt to provoke a very harsh response from Russia,” she warned.
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At the risk of sounding belligerent (warmonger? Moi?), Ukraine needs the chance to strike at the Russian long-range artillery. Otherwise all Russia needs to do is move a kilometer inside their own territory and they're fireproof. I know, "don't poke the bear", but at some point it will be necessary.
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I still cannot get my head around the wests view that you can have a one sided war, Russia can pulverise, flatten, rape and murder Ukrainians and their cities, but thou shalt not retaliate.
The sooner they do and drop that bloody bridge, the sooner the Russian people may wake up and smell the horsesh*t they are being fed…
Ohh to watch that warmongering chat show live on Russian TV as it suddenly gets hit by an artillery strike.
The sooner they do and drop that bloody bridge, the sooner the Russian people may wake up and smell the horsesh*t they are being fed…
Ohh to watch that warmongering chat show live on Russian TV as it suddenly gets hit by an artillery strike.
There is some confusion around this. From The Hill:
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Olga Skabeeva, a Russian television host, warned Friday that shipping long-range rockets to Ukraine would cross what she called a red line.
Ecce Homo! Loquitur...
Russian state TV's Olga Skabeyeva says it might be time to admit that the "special operation in Ukraine is over", it’s WWIII and Russia is now "forced to demilitarise the whole of Nato"….
Ecce Homo! Loquitur...
Ecce Homo! Loquitur...
That’s going to eat into their reserves…
In light of Turkish declarations of a military operation to create a "security strip" at a depth of 30km in northern Syria to allow the return of 1 million Syrian refugees from Turkey to Syria, significant Russian reinforcements have arrived at the Qamishli airport.
In light of Turkish declarations of a military operation to create a "security strip" at a depth of 30km in northern Syria to allow the return of 1 million Syrian refugees from Turkey to Syria, significant Russian reinforcements have arrived at the Qamishli airport.
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US manufactured chips found lots of Russian equipment from cruise missiles to aircraft, helicopters and armour.
https://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zon...ign-microchips
https://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zon...ign-microchips
That’s going to eat into their reserves…
In light of Turkish declarations of a military operation to create a "security strip" at a depth of 30km in northern Syria to allow the return of 1 million Syrian refugees from Turkey to Syria, significant Russian reinforcements have arrived at the Qamishli airport.
In light of Turkish declarations of a military operation to create a "security strip" at a depth of 30km in northern Syria to allow the return of 1 million Syrian refugees from Turkey to Syria, significant Russian reinforcements have arrived at the Qamishli airport.
"lie down with fleas, you get dogs..."
Russia has a little annoyance with Ankara at present, does this increase it or decrease it? If they start plinking at each other, then the opportunity for some mayhem up the caucuses in response would be pretty high, the Bosphorus would become a cork to all Russian trade from the southwest, would add to the anxiety level of all concerned.
Re Russian federation stability, all isn't light and music inside the soon-to-be USSR.... the far east, east, northeast and central regions are not too happy about having been overrepresented in the body bags and injuries in Ukraine, and they have long-running irritation with Moscow and the soon to be "Leningrad" gang of thieves. The 'stans are held together by oppressive regimes that spend what they can receive from the "kleptokrats" on monuments to horses or despotic autocratic rulers. The tolerance of the citizens to the constant theft and abuse seems to be well trained, "sit, Ubu, sit..." but then occasionally dogs bite their "masters". The terms of the agreement permit the succession of each of the states, but the state govt has to be of a mind to do that, and as they are generally as "korrupt" as the "kleptokrats" at the kremlin, Slims holiday might not end anytime soon.
The equivocation on missiles is short-sighted, hardly a surprise from our leaders, who are looking at polls as much as maps. UF are trying to 'tranquilize the beer" now, and if our flip-flops on level of support don't give them the means to do that, then it is NATO troops that will be getting the "bare cuddles" next. Putin attacked a sovereign state from both Russia and Belarus, if he doesn't want his supply lines interdicted, perhaps he should play in his own sandpit.
There's still gallons of hogs sitting at D-M, needing oil, air and gas, and armament. There is a need for a simple rugged/survivable manner to suggest to the Duma that their uninvited presence is unwelcome. For A-10 drivers, how long does it take to teach a competent driver to turn on the sights and nav systems for most basic functionality? There is a bunch of well-motivated people wanting a platform to stop genocide, and either they get to do it, or we could well end up doing it later, with our own boots 'n blood. Putin doubles down, and wrecks things, he doesn't back down, and half-hearted support gives him tacit support now.
I saw a more detailed list and most of the chips were extremely common stuff, stuff you find in home appliances. The chips in question were available in bulk through the a chinese e-waste recycling market
home appliance chips won't be sufficient to make up important military equipment. The crucial parts are very specific like FPGA's which would have to be purchased especially. And Video games would be a gold mine compared to a washing machine.
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I see the one eyed fool is back on TV, only sees the result of their weapons while quietly ignoring the fact that if he opened the other he would see the resulting counter strike vapourise everything around him..
And finally they show the truth about their goals.
And finally they show the truth about their goals.
short flights long nights
I see the one eyed fool is back on TV, only sees the result of their weapons while quietly ignoring the fact that if he opened the other he would see the resulting counter strike vapourise everything around him..
https://twitter.com/JuliaDavisNews/s...01883628986368
And finally they show the truth about their goals.
https://twitter.com/JuliaDavisNews/s...01883628986368
And finally they show the truth about their goals.
That’s going to eat into their reserves…
In light of Turkish declarations of a military operation to create a "security strip" at a depth of 30km in northern Syria to allow the return of 1 million Syrian refugees from Turkey to Syria, significant Russian reinforcements have arrived at the Qamishli airport.
In light of Turkish declarations of a military operation to create a "security strip" at a depth of 30km in northern Syria to allow the return of 1 million Syrian refugees from Turkey to Syria, significant Russian reinforcements have arrived at the Qamishli airport.
Two transports, and two helicopters. Not much of a reinforcement.
Are they sure these are reinforcements, because the last thing I heard was the Russians were redeploying some troops from Syria to Ukraine?
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A rather forthright video of the goings on in Ukraine from a Russian
https://metro.co.uk/video/russian-mp.../?ito=vjs-link
Video: Russian MP claims they will occupy Ukraine for 'five to ten years'
Vladimir Shamanov, former paratroopers commander and MP, claimed that Russia will 'fully demilitarise' Ukraine in a television interview.
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A rather forthright video of the goings on in Ukraine from a Russian
https://metro.co.uk/video/russian-mp.../?ito=vjs-link
https://metro.co.uk/video/russian-mp.../?ito=vjs-link
Meanwhile, a skeptical view of the European economic sanctions here:
https://www.nakedcapitalism.com/2022...-the-foot.html