Is Ukraine about to have a war?
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To my understanding the humvee version was never actually sold anywhere, but the NASAMS would be available as it really is deployed in many countries even in europe. However, it needs the radar operation and training, it is not as simple as a stinger. It is no band aid for current situation unless some country provides the gear AND the operators.
Deployed with the Norwegian Army just a few weeks ago. Google Translate link
IMHO, ukrainians would be better off with buk's if anyone would be able to deliver, as they have the training and capacity to use them. They have zero to none time to learn new advanced weapons systems to help in this situation.
Why it is not such a great idea to impose NFZ at this stage is well explained in this interview with Air Marshal Philip Osbourn:
https://news.sky.com/video/share-12559056
https://news.sky.com/video/share-12559056
I hope the Air Marshall is right r/e advice of Putin's inner circle against use of tactical nuclear weapons.
An angry, aggrieved 69 year old despot backed into a corner and prepared to bomb maternity hospitals in full view of the world is very dangerous indeed.
Especially as the daily military humiliations mount.
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Don't forget the Ukranians have S 300 systems which are supposedly good to 100 000' - question is, how many and how mobile are they ? I do recall seeing at least one kill attributed to to this early on in the war.
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" Upgraded S-300PS SAMs were sent to the southern region of Ukraine in January. Sensing an attack by the Russians from Crimea, the deployment was prescient and likely bought the Ukrainians time defending the south. The Ukrainian military only has about 100 S-300 launchers in total, so the friendly forces had to make difficult decisions on where to deploy them.The Ukrainians also re-deployed a battalion of S-300s on February 11 to the Donbas region expecting a gnarly fight there. This unit is part of the 160th Air Defense Missile Brigade and was moved from the Odessa region."
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Excerpt from Wikipedia
Dragia Miović hospital bombing
At approximately 12:50 am local time on May 19, 1999, the University Hospital Center Dr Dragia Miović in Belgrade was destroyed by NATO l@ser-guided bombs. RTS listed the names of three patients killed. Seven soldiers of the Yugoslav Army were also killed in the hospital, although their names were listed separately from those of the three patients. NATO admitted that a missile was aimed at barracks in the Dedinje district, which is close to the hospital, went astray.
At approximately 12:50 am local time on May 19, 1999, the University Hospital Center Dr Dragia Miović in Belgrade was destroyed by NATO l@ser-guided bombs. RTS listed the names of three patients killed. Seven soldiers of the Yugoslav Army were also killed in the hospital, although their names were listed separately from those of the three patients. NATO admitted that a missile was aimed at barracks in the Dedinje district, which is close to the hospital, went astray.
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And they'll just claim unfortunate accident.]
Everything has been done before, targeting civilians, bombing hospitals, opening "evacuation corridor" and then shooting fleeing people. That is the soul of Russia.
I have heard two completely opposing excuses put forcefully forwards for this by separate Putin supporters.
A. It was a deliberate and accurate attack on a military barracks that was once used as a hospital many years ago.
B. An example of some unfortunate and very rare collateral damage.
It can't be both, so which one is lying boldly?
A. It was a deliberate and accurate attack on a military barracks that was once used as a hospital many years ago.
B. An example of some unfortunate and very rare collateral damage.
It can't be both, so which one is lying boldly?
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I have heard two completely opposing excuses put forcefully forwards for this by separate Putin supporters.
A. It was a deliberate and accurate attack on a military barracks that was once used as a hospital many years ago.
B. An example of some unfortunate and very rare collateral damage.
It can't be both, so which one is lying boldly?
A. It was a deliberate and accurate attack on a military barracks that was once used as a hospital many years ago.
B. An example of some unfortunate and very rare collateral damage.
It can't be both, so which one is lying boldly?
Not really, it's more like saying we took out a military barracks, and didn't realise there were still civilians and newborn babies there from when it was a hospital many years ago.
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https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-...amily-26431252
https://www.news.com.au/world/europe...5d8f7502519593
A Ukrainian man has shared the devastating way he found out his wife and three children had been slain by mortar fire as they tried to flee the city of Irpin on Monday — via Twitter.
Sergii Perebyinis, 43, has described the terrifying plight of his wife Tatiana, 43, and their children Mykyta, 18, and Alisa, nine, as they tried to escape Irpin for the capital, Kyiv.
When President Vladimir Putin ordered Russian forces to invade Ukraine late last month, Mr Perebyinis was in eastern Ukraine tending to his mother who was in poor health.
Tatiana and the two children were back home in Irpin when one evening, a shell shook their building.
Frightened by the attack, they ran to the basement.
t took two days for the mother and children to summon the courage to evacuate and head to the Ukrainian capital. But as they were loading up their mini van getting ready to go, they saw a Russian tank coming down their street so they decided to wait.
The next day, the family, along with a church volunteer, Anatoly Berezhnyi, 26, drove as far as they could in their mini van. After they could not drive any more, they decided to run for their lives across a damaged concrete bridge over the Irpin River where they were then killed by Russian forces. Their two suitcases, backpacks and case for their dog were found scattered beside them.
Learning of death of his family
Mr Perebyinis had been attempting to locate his wife’s location on his phone. He had a gut feeling that something had gone awry when the application showed that the phone was at Clinical Hospital No. 7 hospital in Kyiv. He tried his wife and his children’s numbers but no one was returning his calls.
Half an hour later, Mr Perebyinis opened Twitter and viewed a post that said that a family of Ukrainians had been killed on a bridge in Irpin. Then, he saw another post which contained an image with luggage.
“I recognised the luggage and that is how I knew,” he told the New York Times on March 9.
Mr Perebyinis explained that he had spoken to his wife the night before about her plans to leave and apologised that he was not by her side.
“I told her, ‘Forgive me that I couldn’t defend you’,” he said. “‘I tried to care for one person, and it meant I cannot protect you’.
“She said, ‘Don’t worry, I will get out’.”
Mr Perebyinis told the New York Times that his employer, software company SE Ranking, had implored its employees to evacuate immediately from Ukraine and had provided them with emergency funds to do so.
But Ms Perebyinis opted to stay because she did not know how her ailing mother with Alzheimer’s disease would flee and her 18-year-old son wished to remain in the country so he could defend it if needed.
A colleague of Mr Perebyinis, Anastasia Avetysian, said that she had been in contact with Ms Perebyinis about the family’s evacuation.
“We were all in touch with her,” Ms Avetysian told the New York Times. “Even when she was hiding in the basement, she was optimistic and joking in our group chat that the company would now need to do a special operation to get them out, like Saving Private Ryan.”
After his family did not survive, Mr Perebyinis vowed to ensure the world knew what was going on Ukraine and that his family’s deaths were not in vain.
He said this was not the first time that his family were displaced because of an invasion.
In 2014, the Perebyinis were living in Donetsk but moved to Ukraine to rebuild their lives after conflict there.
Sergii Perebyinis, 43, has described the terrifying plight of his wife Tatiana, 43, and their children Mykyta, 18, and Alisa, nine, as they tried to escape Irpin for the capital, Kyiv.
When President Vladimir Putin ordered Russian forces to invade Ukraine late last month, Mr Perebyinis was in eastern Ukraine tending to his mother who was in poor health.
Tatiana and the two children were back home in Irpin when one evening, a shell shook their building.
Frightened by the attack, they ran to the basement.
t took two days for the mother and children to summon the courage to evacuate and head to the Ukrainian capital. But as they were loading up their mini van getting ready to go, they saw a Russian tank coming down their street so they decided to wait.
The next day, the family, along with a church volunteer, Anatoly Berezhnyi, 26, drove as far as they could in their mini van. After they could not drive any more, they decided to run for their lives across a damaged concrete bridge over the Irpin River where they were then killed by Russian forces. Their two suitcases, backpacks and case for their dog were found scattered beside them.
Learning of death of his family
Mr Perebyinis had been attempting to locate his wife’s location on his phone. He had a gut feeling that something had gone awry when the application showed that the phone was at Clinical Hospital No. 7 hospital in Kyiv. He tried his wife and his children’s numbers but no one was returning his calls.
Half an hour later, Mr Perebyinis opened Twitter and viewed a post that said that a family of Ukrainians had been killed on a bridge in Irpin. Then, he saw another post which contained an image with luggage.
“I recognised the luggage and that is how I knew,” he told the New York Times on March 9.
Mr Perebyinis explained that he had spoken to his wife the night before about her plans to leave and apologised that he was not by her side.
“I told her, ‘Forgive me that I couldn’t defend you’,” he said. “‘I tried to care for one person, and it meant I cannot protect you’.
“She said, ‘Don’t worry, I will get out’.”
Mr Perebyinis told the New York Times that his employer, software company SE Ranking, had implored its employees to evacuate immediately from Ukraine and had provided them with emergency funds to do so.
But Ms Perebyinis opted to stay because she did not know how her ailing mother with Alzheimer’s disease would flee and her 18-year-old son wished to remain in the country so he could defend it if needed.
A colleague of Mr Perebyinis, Anastasia Avetysian, said that she had been in contact with Ms Perebyinis about the family’s evacuation.
“We were all in touch with her,” Ms Avetysian told the New York Times. “Even when she was hiding in the basement, she was optimistic and joking in our group chat that the company would now need to do a special operation to get them out, like Saving Private Ryan.”
After his family did not survive, Mr Perebyinis vowed to ensure the world knew what was going on Ukraine and that his family’s deaths were not in vain.
He said this was not the first time that his family were displaced because of an invasion.
In 2014, the Perebyinis were living in Donetsk but moved to Ukraine to rebuild their lives after conflict there.
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I have heard two completely opposing excuses put forcefully forwards for this by separate Putin supporters.
A. It was a deliberate and accurate attack on a military barracks that was once used as a hospital many years ago.
B. An example of some unfortunate and very rare collateral damage.
It can't be both, so which one is lying boldly?
A. It was a deliberate and accurate attack on a military barracks that was once used as a hospital many years ago.
B. An example of some unfortunate and very rare collateral damage.
It can't be both, so which one is lying boldly?
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Mike Czerski 🇸🇪🇬🇧🇪🇺🇺🇲🇺🇦@angrysmiley·23mAnother dead high ranking Russian officer, adding to the already staggering Russian personnel losses.
#Ukraine️ #UkraineWarQuote TweetNEXTA@nexta_tv · 34mColonel Andrei Zakharov, commander of a #Russian tank regiment, was eliminated by the AFU in the Brovary district of #Kyiv region.
He received the Order of Courage from the hands of Vladimir Putin in 2016, #Ukrainian media reported.
#Ukraine️ #UkraineWarQuote TweetNEXTA@nexta_tv · 34mColonel Andrei Zakharov, commander of a #Russian tank regiment, was eliminated by the AFU in the Brovary district of #Kyiv region.
He received the Order of Courage from the hands of Vladimir Putin in 2016, #Ukrainian media reported.
