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Is Ukraine about to have a war?

Old 5th Mar 2022, 00:17
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Originally Posted by jolihokistix
When a bear is cornered, what is it capable of?
Given how they're currently fairing against a far less well-equipped foe than NATO....I doubt there is much to fear.

Oh, and before "...but nukes..." gets trotted out, Putin doesn't personally 'press the button'. Do folks honestly think those who are entrusted with operating nuclear deterrents don't understand the consequences of a first strike leading to a thermonuclear exchange?

​​​​​​Mutually Assured Destruction is just as well-understood in Russia as it is elsewhere and I very much doubt the military would allow Russia's Poisoned Dwarf to bring about the end of the world purely as the endgame of his dick waving exploits.
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Old 5th Mar 2022, 00:22
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No, I mean Vladimir Putin himself and by extension Russia itself feels cornered, THS.
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Old 5th Mar 2022, 00:38
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Originally Posted by jolihokistix
No, I mean Vladimir Putin himself and by extension Russia itself feels cornered, THS.
I understand that and that's what I was responding to.

Paranoid Vlad is supplying the rope for his own eventual execution. He'll end up like many other Dicators, swinging from a lamp post or dragged from a hiding place.

He has overstepped the line of behaviour other countries were willing to tolerate and Russia is now suffering because of his narcissistic vanity. Their conventional forces are being exposed as the corruption ravaged mess they are and threats of using nuclear weapons by the Mad Midget are emptier than a Moscow currency exchange.

When Russia was the USSR the prospect of potential nuclear war was more likely, due to the ideological differences between the two sides. Now that Russia's polyarchy are sold on the delights of the decadent West it's far less likely, despite the noises coming from their banging gums. All that money they have acquired/stolen from their fellow Russians is worthless in a world turned to glass and they know it.
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Old 5th Mar 2022, 00:42
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Sky News team shot at.

In civvy vehicle, unsure whether it has distinguishing marks or not.
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Old 5th Mar 2022, 00:57
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Originally Posted by pr00ne
Brilliant. And then you start World War Three!
Not if it is undetected...that is my point. Can the B-2 blow up the convoy outside Kyiv, while remaining undetected by the Russians? I have been out of the USAF quite a while, and do not know the capabilities of the B-2, for flying and dropping their bombs, while remaining undetected by the adversary.
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Old 5th Mar 2022, 01:09
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Originally Posted by atpcliff
Not if it is undetected...that is my point. Can the B-2 blow up the convoy outside Kyiv, while remaining undetected by the Russians? I have been out of the USAF quite a while, and do not know the capabilities of the B-2, for flying and dropping their bombs, while remaining undetected by the adversary.

What?

You mean the Russians might think it is somebody else's B-2?

Fot goodness sake...
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Old 5th Mar 2022, 04:15
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Forbes reporting Bayraktar drones targeting fuel trucks and that the Russians are trying to disguise them: Forbes

Hopefully they have enough to target Russian artillery shelling their cities, likely from across the border.
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Old 5th Mar 2022, 05:10
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Notable on the Forbes article is also the amount of anti tank weaponry. 20000 units on top of Ukraines existing equipment. If those do find their way to the cities and to convoys out of fuel and food, it'll really start to become a nightmare for the Russians. Death toll will increase amongst the Russians.
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Old 5th Mar 2022, 05:14
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Here is an interesting article from yesterday about the continued lack of impact of the Russian AF

https://rusi.org/explore-our-researc...air-operations
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Originally Posted by DaveReidUK
To bolster their defences ?? Against a possible invasion of Russia by NATO, presumably ??
Exactly that, and yes, I know NATO isn’t going to get involved or invade, blah, blah, blah, BUT Russia is involved in a war and only a fool would ignore the build up of troops on their flank, especially from Countries that are expressly supporting and arming your “enemy” and you are not dealing with a rational fool.

Go back to the Cold War and look at the size of the Warsaw Pact forces that were built up and stationed across the other side of the Wall, they were there as a deterrent against the west moving east, just as we were there to prevent the east moving west.
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Old 5th Mar 2022, 05:47
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Film of the Sky team getting shot at and wounded.

https://news.sky.com/story/sky-news-...-week-12557585
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Old 5th Mar 2022, 05:51
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Originally Posted by The Helpful Stacker
Whilst we in The West (and the vast majority of level-headed, but currently terrified of the idiot in charge, Russian military) know that NATO is a defensive alliance, old Stalin, I mean Putin, can't or won't seemingly accept it.

Given the current rhetoric coming from Putin, I wouldn't be surprised if he is sat in his bunker in the Urals, with maps spread about him with the fruits of his increasingly dangerous delusions, imagined directions of a NATO breakout, drawn all over them.
He will be very wary of staff officers carrying briefcases!
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Old 5th Mar 2022, 05:52
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Obviously nobody know what is in Putin mind.

But consider this as a possible scenario.

Russia pressures Sweden (And Finland) about not joining NATO. Sweden refuses point blank.
Russian threats escalate but Sweden does not budge.
Do it or you will regret it say Russia.
Then Putin throws a small tactical nuclear weapon – maybe somewhere almost uninhabited in northern Sweden - a small military installation say.

Putin has shown he will use nuclear weapons to back his promises – without fear of getting anything back in return.
What can Sweden do? Nothing
What will Nato do? Nothing!

Then he threatens NATO and the Baltic states.

The Baltic states are mine – give them to me or I will use nukes.
He then says NATO countries that DON’T defend the Baltic States WON’T get Nuked.
Would everyone stick together?
Would Belgium, Netherlands, Germany stand tall?
Does NATO resolve crack? Are the Baltic States given over to avert WW3?

Possible?

Just random thoughts while I was mowing the lawn!

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Old 5th Mar 2022, 05:58
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Another Farm trophy, I do like the comment.

In other news, Ukrainian farmers are well on their way to being the third largest army in Ukraine, if not the second.


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Old 5th Mar 2022, 06:03
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Originally Posted by typerated
Obviously nobody know what is in Putin mind.

But consider this as a possible scenario.

Russia pressures Sweden (And Finland) about not joining NATO. Sweden refuses point blank.
Russian threats escalate but Sweden does not budge.
Do it or you will regret it say Russia.
Then Putin throws a small tactical nuclear weapon – maybe somewhere almost uninhabited in northern Sweden - a small military installation say.

Putin has shown he will use nuclear weapons to back his promises – without fear of getting anything back in return.
What can Sweden do? Nothing
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Except just yesterday Ben Wallace stated that the UK quarantees assisting Sweden by all means available in case Russia attacks the swedes.
There you go, a nuclear state giving quarantees to sweden.

https://sverigesradio.se/artikel/sto...erige-militart
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Old 5th Mar 2022, 06:10
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Google translate say that the UK would "help"! - Like we are with Ukraine?
Doesn't sound like a guarantee - “ Here come shelter under our Nuclear Umbrella”
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Old 5th Mar 2022, 06:39
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"Sweden can count on UK's help in case Sweden encounters Russian aggression, promises Ben Wallace."

"Wallace says that UK will stand by Sweden and do everything it can, both militarily and by other means."

Translated without google by someone who speaks swedish.
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Old 5th Mar 2022, 06:47
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Originally Posted by Beamr
"Sweden can count on UK's help in case Sweden encounters Russian aggression, promises Ben Wallace."

"Wallace says that UK will stand by Sweden and do everything it can, both militarily and by other means."

Translated without google by someone who speaks swedish.
I think you would be naive to read too much into that -if you asked he'd say that UK is standing by the Ukraine and doing everything it can, both militarily and by other means!!

You can easily change Sweden with Finland in my scenario - so try this :

Obviously nobody know what is in Putin mind.

But consider this as a possible scenario.

Russia pressures Finland about not joining NATO. Finland refuses point blank.
Russian threats escalate but Finland does not budge.
Do it or you will regret it say Russia.
Then Putin throws a small tactical nuclear weapon – maybe somewhere almost uninhabited in northern Finland - a small military installation say.

Putin has shown he will use nuclear weapons to back his promises – without fear of getting anything back in return.
What can Finland do? Nothing
What will Nato do? Nothing!

Then he threatens NATO and the Baltic states.

The Baltic states are mine – give them to me or I will use nukes.
He then says NATO countries that DON’T defend the Baltic States WON’T get Nuked.
Would everyone stick together?
Would Belgium, Netherlands, Germany stand tall?
Does NATO resolve crack? Are the Baltic States given over to avert WW3?

Possible?

Just random thoughts while I was mowing the lawn!
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Old 5th Mar 2022, 06:54
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I did consider that version as well, just wanted to point out that there is JEF (to which Wallace to my understanding referred to). And Finland is within the JEF too.
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Old 5th Mar 2022, 06:58
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This is a can of worms Russia really does not want to contemplate.

At the first sign of anyone throwing buckets of sunshine, battlefield or otherwise, on any nation, Pandora's box will be opened.

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