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Is Ukraine about to have a war?

Old 4th Mar 2022, 12:12
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Originally Posted by NutLoose
Drop the side walkway down a length of hose and a 45 gal drum will sort that problem, hardly disabled.
The point I was making was the damage to the tanks, and how it was caused.
I see also what looks like cloth coming out of the filler nozzle. Maybe there was an intention to torch it.

Of course it is would be relatively easy to get it moving again but not quite so easy to get it "into service".
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Old 4th Mar 2022, 12:25
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Originally Posted by admikar
FFS, have you never negotiated in your life? You start with something outrageous and then settle on something acceptable to all sides.
i have to ask if you have ever been involved in negotiations ? Having spent decades negotiating with major companies, I would say that asking for something ridiculous and impossible ( NATO retreats out of E Europe ) just makes you look like a fool and loses you all credibility before negotiations start. Under such circumstances i would refuse to participate on the basis that even talking about ridiculous demands gives them some credibility.
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Old 4th Mar 2022, 12:29
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Update on the situation of #Kyiv It appears that the Ukrainian forces have cut off the Russian column also from west side and created a strong foothold in the area. Encirclement is inevitable. Also they have recaptured #Gostomel airport. https://scribblemaps.com/maps/view/T...Ukraine/091194
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And some rather sad reporting if true

Creatures from #Gostomel were added to the bastards from #Kherson. The girls were raped for TWO days, and then hanged. TEN GIRLS WAS RAPED FOR TWO DAYS AND THEN HANGED. THEY ARE DEAD
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Old 4th Mar 2022, 12:34
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What does Russia's economic outlook look like? An English translation of Maxim's
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insightful commentary in Russian. Maxim was a brilliant phd student of mine at Chicago ... so I quote tweet this with great pride!
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Fascinating thread from Prof. Maxim Mironov on what sanctions are likely to mean for the Russian economy. "My scientific conclusion... is that the Russian economy is f*****d. Double **********, because most Russians don't know what's coming." Image is my amateurish translation. twitter.com/mironov_fm/sta…
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read it here..
It makes interesting reading on the outcome of sanctions now imposed, with their reliance on the west for just about everything they are as described...


His credentials
https://www.ie.edu/business-school/f...maxim-mironov/
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Old 4th Mar 2022, 12:41
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Originally Posted by SATCOS WHIPPING BOY
Take a close look at that video and you can see the fuel tanks are completely slashed.

\maybe it is self-inflicted and the crews don't care about their instructions.
Just needs a passing farmer with a tractor .....
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Old 4th Mar 2022, 13:19
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I wondered when these honourable sons of the steppes would revert to the WWII behaviour of their grandfathers and start the time-honoured Russian tradition of raping and murdering young girls. It seems we didn’t have to wait long. #animals

Russian Soldiers Rape Ukrainian Women
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Old 4th Mar 2022, 13:39
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Regarding those 2.700 Strela munitions Germany is to send.

It seems they are largely kaput ... https://uk.news.yahoo.com/anti-aircr...092853540.html
Never the less the report does say that UKR specfically asked for them
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Old 4th Mar 2022, 13:59
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Originally Posted by pr00ne
Brilliant. And then you start World War Three!
What makes you think it hasn't started already?
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Old 4th Mar 2022, 14:04
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Originally Posted by m0nkfish
What makes you think it hasn't started already?
??? So far it is Ukraine, Russia and potentially Belarus.
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Old 4th Mar 2022, 14:05
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Originally Posted by Tartiflette Fan
i have to ask if you have ever been involved in negotiations ? Having spent decades negotiating with major companies, I would say that asking for something ridiculous and impossible ( NATO retreats out of E Europe ) just makes you look like a fool and loses you all credibility before negotiations start. Under such circumstances i would refuse to participate on the basis that even talking about ridiculous demands gives them some credibility.
^ this. Negotiating is not a zero-sum game. The aim is to share information in order to reach a mutually-beneficial outcome. Very often, one party is able to concede something at low cost to themselves that is of greater value to their counterpart, and vice-versa, and one aim is to flush out these opportunities. We're not buying carpets in the Souk...
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Old 4th Mar 2022, 14:46
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Originally Posted by dead_pan
Yet another example of Russia's amateurism. Don't the crews have instructions to destroy such kit to prevent it falling into enemy hands?
As we have 100.000 Ukrainian women with kids here in Slovakia who found safe harbour in our houses they tell us various war stories. Here's one narrated by one of our guests:
There was a Russian tank closing in to her village and everybody was scared running to the basement awaiting the worst. But still there was no gunfire. The tank was running in circles again and again without any action. After a while one "babushka" (grannie) couldn't stand it anymore and ran out to the tank. It stopped and hatch opened so she started to shout: "Go away, blyat, either shoot or leave, but I can't bear this anymore!" A young commander, almost a boy told her: "Mama, don't be afraid, we don't want to shoot or kill anyone, we just ride around the village until there will be no fuel left."

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Old 4th Mar 2022, 15:30
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You thought Farmers having tanks away was strange, how about three guys on a motorbike sidecar combo towing away a Russian mortar.

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Old 4th Mar 2022, 15:35
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Not every day you see a pair of B52's flying a squiggly pattern over SE Romania. (seen on FR24).
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Old 4th Mar 2022, 15:57
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Originally Posted by NAROBS
No.
I see US KC-135R, LAGR250, and KC-10A, NCH0223 tankers doing a variety of length race-track circuits above central, eastern Romania.
Wonder who they are provisioing ?
They've just been joined by LAGR222.
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Old 4th Mar 2022, 16:04
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You can see more military aircraft on https://globe.adsbexchange.com/ including E-3, E-8, C-12, E-8 etc.
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Old 4th Mar 2022, 16:18
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There is a pair of B52 over the east of Budapest .
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Old 4th Mar 2022, 16:19
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Originally Posted by NAROBS
I saw that (KC -235T), couldn't see the ' 52s, even on the Exchange website.
Heading back West, possibly to FFD
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Old 4th Mar 2022, 16:35
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Originally Posted by pasta
^ this. Negotiating is not a zero-sum game. The aim is to share information in order to reach a mutually-beneficial outcome. Very often, one party is able to concede something at low cost to themselves that is of greater value to their counterpart, and vice-versa, and one aim is to flush out these opportunities. We're not buying carpets in the Souk...
Well have you been involved in negotiating the unconditional surrender of a super-power and securing world peace? Have you? HAVE YOU??!

Seriously though, there was no negotiation to be had; Russia's initial list of demands made that crystal clear. Vlad wasn't interested in Finlandization, neutrality, denazification or any of that bollo*cks. His wanted his dominion back, pure and simple. The "negotiation" such as it was had two purposes, to buy time to build up its forces and its central bank reserves, and to see if there was any weakness in the West's resolve. Looks like he f*cked up on all of these fronts.
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Old 4th Mar 2022, 16:36
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Pilot equipment from shot down Russian Su-25 - note the carbine in addition to a pistol

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Old 4th Mar 2022, 16:38
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Link ( You need to post it as a quote or a lot cannot see it.

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