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Is Ukraine about to have a war?

Old 1st Mar 2022, 07:54
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Originally Posted by tartare
There's something particularly horrible about armoured battles.
The immense forces involved - the heat and mangling of really thick steel - God - you'd never get me anywhere near a tank.

With you on that I’m sure, but….


If Vlad continues with his replay of the 39-45 cup, they may well get near to you.
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Old 1st Mar 2022, 08:12
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Well, I'm hoping he doesn't wheel out those damned fractional orbital bombardment things - and lob a bomb around the south pole to Sydney!
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Old 1st Mar 2022, 08:21
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At the moment, military pilots from Ukraine are in Poland. Today they receive 29 Polish MiG-29s. With full weapons and electronics. 🇵🇱
#UkraineRussiaWar #Ukraine #StopRussia #StandingWithUkraine
Two thoughts spring to mind. First, if push comes to shove, would Poland allow them to be operated from their airfields? Second, what impact does this have on Poland's air policing etc commitments?
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Old 1st Mar 2022, 08:24
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This is from a Ukrainian telegram account, so may be not accurate, but still, it raises some hopes that reason may prevail (google translation from ukrainian):

"Defenders of Odessa waited for two days for the landing of the occupiers, but the enemy did not come. Maybe that's why the riot on the ship. Details of the failed landing operation to capture Odessa ❗️❗️ They told some details of yesterday's failed attempt at a naval landing "directly to Odessa". At the same time, enemy helicopters and a large number of UAVs were flying in the bay. ro There was a real revolt on Russian ships: Russian men refused to obey orders and storm the coast of the Slavic Russian-speaking city."

Hope this is true...
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Old 1st Mar 2022, 08:25
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Originally Posted by tartare
That Russian convoy moving to Kyiv is now 64km long!
Oh for a couple of fully loaded A-10s... what a Turkey shoot.
I'd wager your Hog pilot would be looking longingly at these pics...

I think the Ukrainians would have some success with artillery, if it could be directed well enough. Drop a round every hundred yards or so along the road - bound to hit something.

Also I did note in those satellite pics that the Ukrainians had failed to drop some of the bridges. A priority surely?
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Old 1st Mar 2022, 08:29
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Bloody hell, its not 29 Mig 29's

In a move likely aimed at increasing pressure on Europe to act, the Ukrainian parliament on Monday tweeted that Europe was sending 70 fighter planes to Ukraine, including 28 MiG-29s from Poland, 12 from Slovakia and 16 from Bulgaria, along with 14 Su-25s from Bulgaria.
https://news.yahoo.com/ukrainian-pil...lxEPNEHMJSdFEO

European Union foreign policy chief Josep Burrell said Sunday that individual EU countries had agreed to donate Soviet-era fighter jets to Ukraine to help it defend itself against Russia's invasion, and Ukraine's parliament said Monday that Bulgaria, Poland, and Slovakia had agreed to give the country more than 70 MiG-29s and Su-25s. A Ukrainian government official told Politico Monday that Ukrainian pilots were already in Poland to start the process of taking control of the 28 MiG-29s they are expecting to be donated. (Joseph Trevithick at The Drive explains why he's skeptical.)

"The potential transfer of older Russian-made planes to be used in combat against Russian forces could be the most significant moment yet in a wave of promised arms transfers over the past 24 hours that includes thousands of anti-armor rockets, machine guns, artillery, and other equipment," Politico reports. But representatives from Poland and Slovakia did not respond to Politico's request for confirmation and Bulgarian Prime Minister Kiril Petkov said Monday he had rejected Ukraine's request for fighter jets.
https://news.yahoo.com/ukraine-says-...lxEPNEHMJSdFEO

Deadpan they had stopped flying the Mig29's and were replacing them

https://defence24.com/mig-29-and-su-...unched-by-2022
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Originally Posted by fab777
This is from a Ukrainian telegram account, so may be not accurate, but still, it raises some hopes that reason may prevail (google translation from ukrainian):

"Defenders of Odessa waited for two days for the landing of the occupiers, but the enemy did not come. Maybe that's why the riot on the ship. Details of the failed landing operation to capture Odessa ❗️❗️ They told some details of yesterday's failed attempt at a naval landing "directly to Odessa". At the same time, enemy helicopters and a large number of UAVs were flying in the bay. ro There was a real revolt on Russian ships: Russian men refused to obey orders and storm the coast of the Slavic Russian-speaking city."

Hope this is true...
Sounds a bit dubious, like the Ghost of Kiev. But who cares - anything to cast doubt into the mind of your average Russian conscript. Circulating stories about Russian forces rebelling could help stir things up...
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Old 1st Mar 2022, 08:32
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Any L159 owners fancy an outing? The International Brigade could have its own air force!
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Old 1st Mar 2022, 08:42
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Snake Island soldiers were captured and not killed.

https://news.yahoo.com/snake-island-...153821884.html
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Old 1st Mar 2022, 08:44
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Originally Posted by dead_pan
I think the Ukrainians would have some success with artillery, if it could be directed well enough. Drop a round every hundred yards or so along the road - bound to hit something.
You make a good point about the use of artillery. During the 2014 Crimea scrap there was quite a bit of enthusiastic observance from NATO gunner types as to the TTPs of Russian artillery so I assume there is something similar going on now. I remember this dit being mentioned a few times.

Fortunately, gunnery is not quite the dark art some (including those in the Gunners) seem to think it is and a linear mission along an arbitrary line is simply a case of some basic computer maths. Made even easier if it's along a road as you can work it out from a map, you only need someone (on the ground or in the air) to observe the rounds are landing effectively. Biggest constraint is probably getting the guns into position without getting shwacked.
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Even better if you happen to possess smart munitions or a grad upgrade kit. Have the target marked and shoot it somewhere in the general area of the enemy and you are doing pretty well. Coming down in a steep angle it'll be a pain for the ones in the MBT/APC.
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Here we go:

Ukraine will receive from Its European partners 70 military aircraft of the MiG-29 and Su-25 classes. This is reported by the Ground Forces of the Armed Forces of Ukraine.

At the same time, they will be allowed to be based in Europe so that our pilots can fly from there.
"Our partners are handing over The MiG-29 and Su-25 to us! If necessary, they will be able to be based at Polish airfields, from which Ukrainian pilots will perform combat missions,
  • Bulgaria (MiG-29) – 16 units
  • Bulgaria (Su-25) – 14 units
  • Poland (MiG-29) – 28 units
  • Slovakia (MiG-29) – 12 units

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Old 1st Mar 2022, 08:54
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Originally Posted by Imagegear
they will be able to be based at Polish airfields, from which Ukrainian pilots will perform combat missions
Why am I being a bit worried how Putin will translate this...
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Old 1st Mar 2022, 08:58
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Originally Posted by Beamr
Why am I being a bit worried how Putin will translate this...
Russian aircraft as using Belarusian airfields so fair's fair. I'm sure he'll understand...
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Someone's losing a lot of armour,.



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Originally Posted by Beamr
Even better if you happen to possess smart munitions or a grad upgrade kit. Have the target marked and shoot it somewhere in the general area of the enemy and you are doing pretty well. Coming down in a steep angle it'll be a pain for the ones in the MBT/APC.
From what I have seen so far, the only guided weapons being used are the man portable anti tank type and probably anything air delivered. I'm not too familiar with Ukrainian arty so unsure if they have any guided systems.
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Old 1st Mar 2022, 09:24
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Snake Island

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Snake Island soldiers were captured and not killed.

https://news.yahoo.com/snake-island-...153821884.html
Russian media showed them, or supposedly them, being fed and watered within a few hours, as well as being allowed to phone home to let family know they were very much alive. They claim there were 84 of them and that they surrendered almost immediately after the radio exchange. The truth is out there somewhere.
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Old 1st Mar 2022, 09:57
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From Lloyds List

UK bans port access to all Russian-linked vessels

It has been indicated that the move to ban Russian vessels was part of a broader package of further sanctions, the details of which will be released shortly

“The maritime sector is fundamental to international trade and we must play our part in restricting Russia's economic interests and holding the Russian government to account,” Transport Secretary Grant Shapps said in a letter to all UK ports.

Further detailed sanctions against Russian shipping were being drawn up following Russia's invasion of Ukraine, he added.

Describing the military operation as an “unprovoked, premeditated attack against a sovereign democratic state,” Mr Shapps said the UK government “does not consider it appropriate for Russian vessels to continue to enter UK ports.”

He advised ports to refuse any ship they believe to be owned, controlled, chartered or operated by any person connected with Russia or a sanctioned person or flagged or registered in Russia.

While the letter said support would be given, it did not detail how ports would impose the guidance or identify Russian links.

There are currently 16 Russian flagged vessels in UK waters and four vessels owned by sanctioned Russian operator Sovcomflot, according to latest Lloyd’s List Intelligence vessel-tracking data.

“The maritime sector is fundamental to international trade and we must play our part in restricting Russia’s economic interests and holding the Russian government to account,” the letter explained, adding that legislation would follow.

The UK move follows protests in the Orkney Islands over Sovcomflot’s 106,000 dwt aframax tanker NS Challenger (IMO: 9299680) arriving at the Flotta Terminal.

The US has imposed financial restrictions on Sovcomflot, Russia’s largest shipping company, as part of the broader sanction moves to hold Moscow accountable for its military incursion into Ukraine.

The letter issued by Mr Shapps indicated that the move to ban Russian vessels was part of a broader package of further sanctions, the details of which will be released shortly.
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Old 1st Mar 2022, 09:58
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Originally Posted by Beamr
Even better if you happen to possess smart munitions or a grad upgrade kit. Have the target marked and shoot it somewhere in the general area of the enemy and you are doing pretty well. Coming down in a steep angle it'll be a pain for the ones in the MBT/APC.
Poland and Ukraine jointly developed laser guided artillery shells a few years ago.
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Old 1st Mar 2022, 10:04
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Nothing to see here. The Buffs are here on a routine deployment - have been at RAF Fairford for a couple of weeks.
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