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chrislikesblue 26th Nov 2012 03:49

Negative update for me also,still waiting. I hope we all fellow swimmers get a good answer soon !
Shaggy 330 did you ask them what is the reason for your rejection? Im interested to know because that will give us a better understanding of their way of thinking.

disagreeable 26th Nov 2012 06:09


that will give us a better understanding of their way of thinking.
HAHAHAHAHA, the sane cannot understand the insane. Like I keep mentioning, its a chaotic mess in the backend.
You all call yourselves "swimmers" which, funny to me, makes me think your all sperm? LOL

As mentioned before, apply to other carriers and take the job if it comes first. QR, unless you come as a DEC or an F/O will not be worth your 12 - 16months of wasting your time; as well as the new bond for FTSO's.

ITO 26th Nov 2012 08:46

The QR game is a dangerous one. I've passed the SO selection last January, and some of you know what happened later with the age story. The post-interview was just a disaster for me, lost jobs in between because of the waiting, checking my e-mails the whole day like a crazy guy...etc your daily life is basically screwed and on hold, not moving forward. its horrile and stressfull. However, I wrote back to QR about the age issue, and they accepted to put me back on track. Since, as you all, been In the holding pool with an uncertain time frame.

As much as I wanted to work for QR, I asked my self was it wise to wait for something that might never come, and that might put your life, and all who depends on it at risk ?

Naaah...

Moved on since.

josmison 26th Nov 2012 09:48

age limit
 
Sorry for the may be stupid question

what is the age limit for SO , FTSO, FO

thanks

iQatar 26th Nov 2012 09:53

FTSO < 40
NTSO < 29
FO is under 55 ( from memory)

geronimoapache 26th Nov 2012 10:34



You all call yourselves "swimmers" which, funny to me, makes me think your
all sperm? LOL
Well thanks, Disagreeable, for giving us an upgrade, since we´ve been treated more like s#&t lately. I just hope there is not only one ovule-job down the road for all of us :ugh:

It is extremely sad though, that the only fragmented info that we manage to get is through this channel. It is disgraceful and disrespectful of HR and it is giving a bad image to a company that could do so much better otherwise. Shame on those people...

But the good news for some might be that out of all those swimmers, many have given up, more precisely refused to take this kind of mistreatment anymore. I have three collegues that have been waiting since spring with no news, offers in hand, no answerings to their mails, and meantime got a job with EK and the Other airline. So HR might have a nasty surprise once they begin to try bringing people in. And all it would take is to give some decent info...

As much as I try not to get shaken by Disgreeable and others, it seems they could be right after all, that only us desperate souls with no other options still keep on waiting...

Jmodel, thanks for your info, keep it rolling if you can.

disagreeable 26th Nov 2012 12:29


The QR game is a dangerous one. I've passed the SO selection last January, and some of you know what happened later with the age story. The post-interview was just a disaster for me, lost jobs in between because of the waiting, checking my e-mails the whole day like a crazy guy...etc your daily life is basically screwed and on hold, not moving forward. its horrile and stressfull. However, I wrote back to QR about the age issue, and they accepted to put me back on track. Since, as you all, been In the holding pool with an uncertain time frame.

As much as I wanted to work for QR, I asked my self was it wise to wait for something that might never come, and that might put your life, and all who depends on it at risk ?

Naaah...

Moved on since.
+1 :ok:
Finally, the truth be told!
Dont hold your breath waiting for QR..... You have to be "young, dumb and full of c#m" so they say to pass up other suitable employment!

With all the waiting around they are making the FTSO's / SO's do, you would wanna be young because they will wreck your career sitting around waiting for them to give you a flight every month or two!! :ugh:

ITO 26th Nov 2012 13:12

Well, I guess it is a situation among so many others. However the truth is that I'm not 20, and there are others that depends on my decisions. The QR interview was indeed an excellent opportunity and experience, but not the aftermath. I had high hopes for it, worked super hard for it, and I was glad that it was finally happening. But the after thing...ayayay !

I think that it would have been better if there was a clear direct communication with candidates, so that each and everyone see where he is standing, anticipate, and not having to face unexpected bad surprises at the end that would put ones future/career on the line. Without saying that you are not the only one that gets affected, but the ones that are arround you also, your direct family....etc and I don't think that the guy typing emails to candidates is really thinking of that, not its really his problem !

The question is, you wait for a year and a half hoping for things to happen, and at last, what if they don't ? Then what ?

So, ya...

Tritzo 26th Nov 2012 13:55

also i have made important decisions based on a positive qr interview. if you are applying somewhere or working somewhere, sometimes you HAVE to note that you currently applied and you are in the process of a another job. lying wont give you the job and if you got the job and they find out, it can have quite some legal trouble. and not like in the middle east, most contracts are kept by word. so something like "dont make big decisions upon this interview" is almost not possible for career starters.

it could be the chance of a lifetime, i know whats coming across me if id join and i am willing to stay for a long time.

if its not happening at all, many of us have to consider other career "opportunities" if you can call it likewise.

but eeerhm right, theres quite a big economical crisis going on around the world and most companies only want experienced people with typeratings. and the small companies? oh yes, there is p2fly, which is not an option. and most other small companies abroad wont hire expats, because governments give them restrictions within their companies. or just because they dont want to.

dont get me wrong, i knew that time could be tough after flight training. but what is happening right now, is not even close to that. all you can do is staying in the industry with dispatching, atc, ramp, legal stuff, management, etc. but for flying - you can only do it privately if you got the money from working ridicolous shifts - and maybe continue gliding every other day you can.

so in the end, its leaving aviation behind with a huge debit and focus forward on something else - if there is really someting to look forward to.

to sum it all up: some of us dont have much of a choice than to gamble (if you can call it that way) for qatar

Comm 26th Nov 2012 14:43

Still swimming........

As others have said....... Will update as and when I receive the long awaited end of November update.

jibba_jabba 26th Nov 2012 16:15

Reality Bites
 
Oh my,

yes there is a hard time in the economy now.
HOWEVER, it is always "hard" in aviation..... why dont you low time pilots actually go and do some work in G.A if you can get it, instead of just thinking that the "industry" owes you a jet job!

My lord, I would have never thought that I could walk out of flight school and get a Jet rating and get a job! YOU HAVE TO BUST YOUR BUTT and work for shitty employers, or doing freight runs in piston aircraft, instructing or even other airwork like parachute dropping etc.

Also, you have to move around.... i.e RELOCATE! Do it! stop whinging and stop making the qatar airways your golden goose egg. Its just a job. A job thats nice, sure, but it always has a cost that you wannabe's dont or cant see.

Airline flying is not like "fun" learning to fly stuff.... yes yes you know that.... yes yes, i know, some of you are have family etc I know. Its hard, BELIEVE ME i know!

Some other posters have hit the home truths in this forum and all I see is posts straight after them completely ignoring the expirence they gave and the fact that they are telling you that its a problem with HR/Recruitment/Training and you all still rub your hands together saying 'still swimming'..... read between the lines, it aint gonna happen quick for most of you!

You think that waiting 12 months is horrible, man, thousands of pilots where I come from wait years to get into a jet. Maybe its just a europe thing to expect a jet straight outa school or with small hours built up? Either way, just go and find the piston experience first and then keep climbing the ladder. The experience you obtain from doing it that way (YES EVEN WHILE YOU WAIT FOR THE GOLDEN GOOSE) may provide you with more confidence and options than you can see right now.

Pilots accept reality, not make believe;
The proof is in the amount of communication QR gives you, the ease of speaking to somebody, the ease of a returned email? I WILL TELL YOU RIGHT NOW, LESS THAN A FEW PERCENT OF PEOPLE EVER GET A REPLY or returned phone call.
Most of you will just be ignored. That really does tell you something about your status.

...... my 2 cents.... and believe me i know.

Good luck.

Tritzo 26th Nov 2012 16:28

dude, no offense, ive sent over 150 applications (uncountably more) to possibly more than 10 countries, ive had good jobs in between, yes. but only ground jobs.
i try to go to most applications in person. many seem to have a good impression but dont hire low timers/non type rated guys.

implementing that i "dont get my ass up" is just ridicolous.

the thing is, foreign small companies rarely hire foreigners. the general aviation back home (anywhere actually) dont hire unexperienced pilots.
the flying i do is self sponsored on gliders, motorgliders and single engine piston.

if you know a job where i can fly for food or even for nothing at all - just LETTING me fly - i dont care if its a small single engine piston and i live in a tent, as long as i can fly - send me a pm, i will relocate (im currently planning for going after bush flying, but even there, most of the companies are not hiring currently).
im flying solo since im 14, its what i want to do for a living.

for me, qatar IS the golden egg.

edit: ah yeah, im waiting 13 months for qatar already. i never said i expect a jet job straight out of school. where did i ever say that?! im working towards ANY flying job for like 30 months now. i turned down 1 very good learjetjob for qatar airways, as it was supposed to start the next month for me.

ITO 26th Nov 2012 16:36

@ Tritzo.

Thanks. However I never said that I will quit aviation or do something else than flying. As a mater of fact, I applied for SO but I wasn't a fresh guy out of flight school. Had well above 1400H total and now even more. I have been instructing for the past 3 years

@ jiba,

Yes, that's the truth. Lots of youngsters think that after flight school it's straight onto a 737, eventhough some, with their connections...etc managed to. But that's not the point of our discussion.

My mistake was to put all my eggs in one basket and I learned the hard way that its not an option. Worked harder as i had lost all the job opportunities that I had because of all the waiting thing...etc but thanks god the efforts paid off, and now moved on to F/O B1900D. A whole new adventure, and for sure I won't do the same mistake again.

geronimoapache 26th Nov 2012 17:03

Thanks for the reality check Jib, it does bite. The truth might be harsh sometimes. But dont make all of the pilots that are waiting some uninformed bunch of wannabes dreaming their jet nirvana.:=

A lot of us are actually fairly experienced pilots, some captains, most FOs, with thousands of hours of jet time, that have made a choice to relocate to a very different place, because we have been invited to join this company under certain T&C. We did not beg on our knees in front of the QR tower, but rather have entered a standard business transaction between two parties. We have been asked a date to be ready, we made the arrangements to honor this date and now we are idling for months with no clue of what is going on.

And concerning those few poor chaps with low hours waiting for their NTSO chance, if QR does not want them, then they should not make interviews and promising jobs. Its like inviting a hungry man to your house, putting a warm full plate of good food in front of him, then pulling the plate away, leaving the guy drooling on the chair and taking a long vacation.

ManaAdaSystem 26th Nov 2012 17:34

Spoken like a true Westerner. If you expect any of the ME carrieres to treat you like this, you are in for a rude awakening.
I suggest you reread all the info on what to expect when (and if) you come to QR. It will save you a lot of headache.

No offence.

OXOGEKAS340 26th Nov 2012 21:15

Dear Qataris can someone inform me, if there is a full course from 340 to 330, or a CCQ, and what the bond is in both cases......(dec)
Waiting a year now to join, but already in a well payed job, brings me in a difficult position.....to decide to join and leave my job, or stay here, and leave QR.

disagreeable 27th Nov 2012 05:43


Dear Qataris can someone inform me, if there is a full course from 340 to 330, or a CCQ, and what the bond is in both cases......(dec)
Waiting a year now to join, but already in a well payed job, brings me in a difficult position.....to decide to join and leave my job, or stay here, and leave QR.
!!!!STAY IN YOUR CURRENT JOB!!!!
If your bored, find a new hobby to do! Do not come to QR. When you get here, after the initial thrill of somewhere different wears off and you look at all the shitty service and the shitty office staff who cant get there act together or even help you (not all of them, just most of them) you will say to yourself "what the :mad: have I done"!
You have been warned.
Go to Emirates before you come to QR, you certainly wont regret that.


Could you give us any details about this new FTSO bond please ? Which are the changes ?
There is alot of info on this thread so a search can be really effective.
I answered that in basic detail here.
but also a thread on the subject here as well: http://www.pprune.org/middle-east/48...w-joiners.html
Basically its like this:
$75,000 over 5 years.
$25,000 taken out in payments from day you join; approx 4000Riyal p/m.(not refundable);
Then, once your lucky enough to start line training they will start to take out the other $50,000 over the 5years. (approx another 3 - 4k QR p/m)
NOTE: LINE TRAINING MEANS JUST ONE FLIGHT, CURRENTLY TAKING OVER 13MONTHS TO TRAIN FTSO'S AND CLOSE TO 18MONTHS FOR SO'S. (25k given back after 5 years! no interest etc)
This means that your living off the following:
FTSO/SO basic salary: 9000QR
transport: 1000QR
Total of 10,000QR BEFORE bond payments come out!
IGNORE THE HOUSING ALLOWANCE as you will use all of it to even get a shitty studio room with no kitchen; unless you live with at least 3 other people and get a 3Br unit.... housing is WAY overpriced and market is manipulated in doha.:ugh:

THIS MEANS you will be living of not much while you waste your life sitting around waiting for any training scraps they through at the odd 100+ SO's waiting. Dont worry, its ok if your Qatari, you live on a wage thats similar to an FO and get treated like royalty in the rosters, while anyone else is forced to eat shite :ugh:
Enjoy that...... NOT.


Oh my,

yes there is a hard time in the economy now.
HOWEVER, it is always "hard" in aviation..... why dont you low time pilots actually go and do some work in G.A if you can get it, instead of just thinking that the "industry" owes you a jet job!

My lord, I would have never thought that I could walk out of flight school and get a Jet rating and get a job! YOU HAVE TO BUST YOUR BUTT and work for shitty employers, or doing freight runs in piston aircraft, instructing or even other airwork like parachute dropping etc.

Also, you have to move around.... i.e RELOCATE! Do it! stop whinging and stop making the qatar airways your golden goose egg. Its just a job. A job thats nice, sure, but it always has a cost that you wannabe's dont or cant see.

Airline flying is not like "fun" learning to fly stuff.... yes yes you know that.... yes yes, i know, some of you are have family etc I know. Its hard, BELIEVE ME i know!

Some other posters have hit the home truths in this forum and all I see is posts straight after them completely ignoring the expirence they gave and the fact that they are telling you that its a problem with HR/Recruitment/Training and you all still rub your hands together saying 'still swimming'..... read between the lines, it aint gonna happen quick for most of you!

You think that waiting 12 months is horrible, man, thousands of pilots where I come from wait years to get into a jet. Maybe its just a europe thing to expect a jet straight outa school or with small hours built up? Either way, just go and find the piston experience first and then keep climbing the ladder. The experience you obtain from doing it that way (YES EVEN WHILE YOU WAIT FOR THE GOLDEN GOOSE) may provide you with more confidence and options than you can see right now.

Pilots accept reality, not make believe;
The proof is in the amount of communication QR gives you, the ease of speaking to somebody, the ease of a returned email? I WILL TELL YOU RIGHT NOW, LESS THAN A FEW PERCENT OF PEOPLE EVER GET A REPLY or returned phone call.
Most of you will just be ignored. That really does tell you something about your status.

...... my 2 cents.... and believe me i know.

Good luck.
@ j_j
+100 :ok::ok::ok::ok::ok::ok:
Couldnt have said it better myself!!
Dont give up any opportunity if they come up before QR!!!!
I think this is to give you guys a shot in the arm, to get you moving and take action; dont sit around wasting your time waiting for QR. If it happens, it happens, if not keep your eyes open for other opportunities!

keep smiling,
D.

DADDY-OH! 27th Nov 2012 10:03

Hi! With ref: to the DEC B777 ad' on the website, please can someone either post a link on here to the financial package & typical rostering for the B777?

Also over the next few years, is the B787 likely to be taking over the A330 routes?

Please PM if you don't want to post.

Many thanks

DO.

RK303 27th Nov 2012 13:00

Guys, imagine that the current thruth scenario is that QR changed his mind regarding his “talent pool” now trying to discourage you politely?Maybe It won’t be nice if many more other Shaggy330 appears here…But guys, really it is not the fault of QR if you declined other job opportunities but only yours.

I think that in 2012 QR already hired the people they need including NTSO, FTSO, FO. The guys who joined have been interviewed in the same period of time as you. Most of them are already in Doha, the rest approaching their DOJ already set. Accept the reality. You wait for 2013? you’re playing the lottery…you may win who knows

if you know a job where i can fly for food or even for nothing at all - just LETTING me fly - i dont care if its a small single engine piston and i live in a tent, as long as i can fly - send me a pm, i will relocate (im currently planning for going after bush flying, but even there, most of the companies are not hiring currently).
im flying solo since im 14, its what i want to do for a living.
Come on Tritzo, respect yourself…You better insult any guy who give you this kind of job offer. Is flying a small machine more important than your dignity? If you guys had a brain to get your JAA licence you probably have a good one to get another decent job especially if you’re a young chap because after that it will be too late for you.

My lord, I would have never thought that I could walk out of flight school and get a Jet rating and get a job! YOU HAVE TO BUST YOUR BUTT and work for shitty employers, or doing freight runs in piston aircraft, instructing or even other airwork like parachute dropping etc.
Come on… if your goal is to be a jet airline pilot flying in G.A won’t give you a damn thing. Even with 5000h of piston, your value is zero for the “jet world”. Go for it only if you love G.A because high chance is you’ll be stuck in.
Only if you’re full of money to upgrade yourself during this time may help you or you know a key person of the “jet world” close to you or you’re a national of a country with lack of suitable locals or you manage to enter a ab-initio programme. Otherwise you’re loosing your time I’m afraid.

chrislikesblue 27th Nov 2012 14:26

'' Guys, imagine that the current thruth scenario is that QR changed his mind regarding his “talent pool” now trying to discourage you politely?Maybe It won’t be nice if many more other Shaggy330 appears here…But guys, really it is not the fault of QR if you declined other job opportunities but only yours.''


You really believe that it is not a fault of an airline to keep delaying people who after investing their time for preparation,travel,sitting for the exams ... and finally having been succesful in their assessment now sitting idle for months? I think that it is normal in any industry worldwide that someone who is succesful in an interview/assessment gets offered a job afterwards.
So it is our fault that we are so crazy to expect employment after all this? Isnt it logical to think that an airline that invested tones of money in recruiting people they would more likely want to use these people at the end? Isnt it logical that some of us declined jobs because of our expectation that we are joining Qatar? Or should we accept every job offer and sign 3 or 4 contracts at the same time? You think that makes more sense?


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