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Old 17th May 2012, 22:08
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Qr new bond strategy for new joiners

·******** The new policy Specify 2 bonds one to cover Type Rating Phase ( 91,000 QAR equivalent to 25,000 USD for 30 months ) and the second one to cover the Line Training Phase (182,000 QAR equivalent to 50,000 USD for 60 months ) *.
·******** The monthly salary deduction ( 3,034 QAR ) for the Type Rating Bond will start with the date of joining and for the next 30 months with zero refund.
·******** The monthly salary deduction ( 3,034 QAR ) for the Line Training Bond will begin after the successful final line check and for the next 30 months with 50% refund after bond period completion ( 60 months ) .
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Old 17th May 2012, 22:17
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what do you mean by new joiners? if the contract is already signed, does it change as well? thanks
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Old 17th May 2012, 23:54
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How about currently TR folks?
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Old 18th May 2012, 00:14
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So the new cost is 50k with no refund, and 25k refunded after 60 months? I imagine this will stop nearly all new hires from joining. Is there any truth to this?

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Old 18th May 2012, 00:28
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Wow! Really? I knew that there was a type rating bond but I did not realise it was like this. How does Qatar think they can get so many "qualified" and experienced people to fly their expanding fleet as fast as they need them? I guess they just want desperate newbies. Qatar probably realises that so many pilots are out of work and screwed by their dying or former airlines that it can use this scheme to cut training costs. Who came up with this cost-reduction scheme - the accountants or the HR people? I really hope this is not true.

I understand the type rating, but not the line training - that sounds ridiculous! WTF? Really????? Clearly I would only apply to Qatar now if I were current in one of the aircraft types and I was selected for that same aircraft type... So, if you are current/typed on the A320 and expect to get it and then randomly get assigned the A300-600R, you should expect to pay significant money for the opportunity to fly that airplane? The 787 should save Qatar a lot of training money because I assume everyone will be buying both their type ratings and line training for that new airplane...

I bet many nontyped pilots will be saying "better give me the airplane I actually want to fly if I have to pay for both the type rating AND the line training or I will look elsewhere..." If this continues, Qatar will be viewed strictly as a training center for the next flying job. If you really want a 787 type rating and experience, go get it at Qatar - if you want it and they don't offer it to you - then don't pay for a type rating and line training in a type you don't wish to fly. Better to move on to another airline where you can get the desired experience and maybe not pay as much for it. If you want the 777 or the 787 type and experience, getting assigned the A300-600F (with no previous type) and then having to pay for the experience you are not looking for probably would not work for you. Emirates and that other UAE major airline are looking much more desirable compared to QR.

Wow, if true, this is NOT a good precedent to set for a supposed "world class" airline that wishes to attract the best pilots in the world. I hope Qatar only gets typed pilots (not likely with the 787) who are interested. Instead, they are looking for ways to pay for their expansive training center. That's just too bad. Time to play the lotto if I ever want to apply to Qatar without a relevant type...

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Old 18th May 2012, 01:39
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Please tell me this is a joke. If this is how they intend to conduct business, they are free to disregard my application.
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Old 18th May 2012, 04:05
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Where have you seen this as its not in the current part A?
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Old 18th May 2012, 04:45
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Where did you get this informaiton???
seems like fishing to me!

If this is true, then this is insane!
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Old 18th May 2012, 06:04
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This is true....unfortunately. It is not in part A because this is an HR policy. Have you ever seen full bond policies written down in part A?

Just ask about this when doing your roadshow, interview or contract signing.

Policy is active from last week inwards, but will not be applied retrospectively they say. There is no info yet on how this will affect internal transfers...
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Old 18th May 2012, 06:10
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With a move like this, clearly it shows they are getting the req numbers and dont fear a lack of future recruitment...

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Old 18th May 2012, 08:16
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Email was not very clear, as usual, but looks like this applies only to second officers (?).

They do have all the recruitment they need for now, but fear not, it will be very interesting to see the next couple of months, as a sh*tload of pilots are about to leave, and they for sure cannot train the new ones as fast as the old ones are leaving.
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Old 18th May 2012, 08:45
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Maybe the new bond for Normal Track S/Os ONLY, even if that.
Definitely not for others.
Old S/O bond is the same, 75,000 USD. 5 year bond.
Deductions are made after final line check.

50 percent of the bond amount is deducted over a period of 36 months, and 50 percent of that deducted amount is refunded after 60 months.
Seems very fair for a normal S/O.

Doubt the bond has changed, though I'm not 100 percent sure.
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Old 18th May 2012, 10:51
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I was there yesterday and there was no mention of the above AT ALL.
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Old 18th May 2012, 12:19
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I agree with the statement above. This policy must be for cadets or non typed second officers. It would be too crazy to offer it to experienced pilots who have other choices... Qatar is not the only fast-growing airline in the Gulf.

Hope we get some clarification about this policy soon.
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Old 18th May 2012, 13:12
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No matter to whom this policy may or may not apply to, the minute you start line training you are a member of a crew complement fulfilling a needed role on a revenue rising flight. Aside on how you feel about a type rating bond to be bonded for line training is sheer opportunism by the company.
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Old 18th May 2012, 15:43
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And before people get too carried away, the fact that they mention 60 months, plus the sums involved, all point to a cadet bond. In which case I think it's a case of everybody move along now, there's nothing to see here.


And btw Iver, why so interested in all things QR? Curious.

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Old 18th May 2012, 20:39
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Holy Cow.....

IVER is God Father, has many choices unlike us .......
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Old 18th May 2012, 23:15
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If it’s not a joke,well,this is something delivering some of us from useless expectations.I’ll keep good memories of the interview though.

This is the law of this broken pilots market but sad news for NTSO who’ve passed their interview with huge hopes and debts of their initial training, maybe some are renewing their licences while waiting so long.

Passion is powerful but think carefully… For those who’ll sign this new contract, pray god to cope with the pressure.
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Old 19th May 2012, 00:51
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Thank you for caring about my personal motivations. In case you live under a rock and you are unaware, the European market for airline pilots is beyond dismal. All of the legacy airlines are broken and upgrade times for would-be newhires (if they are hiring) far exceeds personal expectations. Do you want to wait 20+ years for a Captain upgrade? Despite being able to sleep in your own bed every night, the thought of flying for a European LCC is not appealing for many people given the monotony of flying (like Groundhog Day) and the early/lates scheduling. Some people love the LCCs - I do not. All airlines in Europe will eventually degrade pilot wages and pilot lifestyles in the name of increasing LCC competition. No legacy will be spared. Prospects for the European airline profession over the next 10-20 years look very grim and more consolidation is likely - leading to fewer legacy jobs. Additionally, if you lived where I currently live, you would probably dislike the cold, windy and dank weather experienced throughout the majority of the year.

So, the Gulf represents quite a contrast for my personal situation. It is all relative - my circumstances and aspirations may be different from others. The Goat Airline and the other 2 major airlines in the area are expanding fast, offer the best equipment possible, offer growing lists of worldwide destinations and they provide an interesting cultural experience if you can handle it (not to mention better weather for most of the year - excluding the summer heat). Upgrade times are far better - and on much nicer equipment. As a lifelong Boeing fan, I have always aspired to flying something like the 777 or 787 (career goal). All 3 Gulf airlines operate them. So, I have done my research, I have networked with a lot of people, and I frequent these boards (obviously far too much). I currently do not have the experience to be competitive (certainly not EK) but I am working on it.

The fact that Qatar has established these vague training contracts is disturbing and disappointing - I hope that this latest wrinkle described in this thread only applies to cadets at the lowest level of the chain. Some clarification and clear communication would be helpful. I understand the type-rating training bond, but paying for line training would be ridiculous for experienced pilots.

So, given my interest in the area and in the 3 big, fast-growing airlines in the Gulf, I will continue to ask questions and express my enthusiasm for my favourite aircraft types (including the 787). Unlike others who are already jaded and bitter, I still enjoy aviation and hope to salvage the rest of my career when possible. This is a very difficult and challenging industry, but I choose not to be so negative and I hold on to a small bit of optimism to keep myself going.
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Old 19th May 2012, 16:43
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I think this is a job of CTC.
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