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Joining Qatar Airways (QR) - all you need to know about it (threads merged)

Old 13th Dec 2012, 10:23
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Training...

Training department is in such a mess at the moment. Sure, they have many of pilots in 'the pool' but there is a shortage of TRIs to train on all fleets with the EIS of the B787. No planning. The appearance is that everything is going smooth..it isn't..

The attrition rate is so high that they can't train to replace the ones who are escaping and going elsewhere. That leaves little capacity to train for the fleet increase. Furthermore; the intake of the unfortunate group from Spain and their inability to pass the testing, really upset the planning.
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Old 13th Dec 2012, 10:32
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Hopefully this ad is not for QR!

Airbus 320 First Officers (Middle East)
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Old 13th Dec 2012, 10:40
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Join Date: Jul 2012
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One more thing

The only reason I can imagine for them to apply the '1 year rule' and kick us out of the holding pool after one year is because their selection program was too easy and they plan on revising it for new candidates. I can't think of any other rational explanation. I can hardly remember any individual on this forum that got a negative answer after his interview. Especially in the batch of NTSO's I was in last year the selection day seemed more like a formality. This is in total contrast to other major airlines where rigorous selection programs are being held.

Does anyone know if they keep our results? Do they rank us according to our interview results, do we have our own file in which our performance at the interview is written?

Last edited by jeanpaul172; 13th Dec 2012 at 10:42.
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Old 13th Dec 2012, 10:48
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What do you mean the selection process where to easy? You wrote a test, a panel interview snd a sim assesment. Box standard interview.

What else did you want, pschycometric testing, a medical and a group excercise?
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Old 13th Dec 2012, 11:27
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The medical is done in doha as well. After your joining process.
I know a couple of guys who failed the simulator as NTSO (although flying A320 raw data patterns with a malifunction that day wasnt that difficult if you prepare for it and just plan ahead a bit). But they can see how you handle the situation and evaluate well.

I guess the simulator is - as like many companies - a chance for the training captains to get to know you and to see your work performance. They know you are probably not rated on the specific type. (Sim-ranges are from 320, 330, 777 to 787 in the assessment)

In my opinion group exercises dont tell more than a good sim evaluation.
A simulator assessment can put you in any kind of situation and see how you deal with it. Workload management, stress, flying skills, practical system knowledge, CRM, decision making - all of that can be checked much better on a simulator screening.

The group assessments or psychological interviews are rather a platform for psychologists to judge you, but most of the time, the psychologists themselves have issues.
And most of them dont even fly. So they are judging you upon theory, mixed with fictive situations.

Its one thing if some training captain dont wants you in a company, as he doesnt wanna fly next to you. I could totally understand that if the critique is constructive.

But if a psychologist told you whether youre good or bad (most probably you have just previously proven him wrong in the simulator) - in my opinion its just some kind of new fashion.

They had great pilots in the last decades and most of them wouldn't pass a serious psychology test at the time being, if the company is not hiring much.

It is only another stage for a company to adapt the flow of applicants to their requirements. I can understand computertests that check some of your -trainable- hardskills, like memory, selective/and focussed attention, reaction, psychomotorics etc.

@SAS: Most probably this job offer is for Qatar Airways, hence the given emailaddress involves CTC Aviation, which is QRs new low hour pilot source it seems. (Careful RUMOUR: 20 cadets joined in April?? or so and had overgone the regular recruitment process just like the spanair guys and just like soon the tunesian ones) It seems Qatar has no requirement on the pool people anymore. Everything has to go fast.

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Old 13th Dec 2012, 11:36
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Join Date: Jan 2008
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Currently swimming as a fast track SO-

Info from recruitment at Qatar ( but not flight deck recruitment)

via email so it's confirmed that I won't get called forward until at least April.

Its a changing picture as well apparently.
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Old 13th Dec 2012, 11:38
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to clarify email was to third party about me- ive seen the email and its 100% genuine.
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Old 13th Dec 2012, 11:43
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Join Date: Jan 2012
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Update

Hello,
Can you be more specific about the mail that you receive.Did you write them,asking about the joining date?
And then they reply you.
Thanks,comm
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Old 13th Dec 2012, 12:04
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A lot can happen between now and April. It looks like QR is changing their requirements is it goes. By the time April arrives, QR will say something else...
It's still not a guarantee you will be called to join QR.
I'm also swimming as a FTSO, but I think it's time to move on...
Someone has warned us for this, so we can't say we didn't know.
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Old 13th Dec 2012, 12:28
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It's time to move away, unfortunately.
Bye bye Middle East
Qatar Airways awards Future Pilot Supply Contract to CTC Aviation | CTC Wings
Good luck to those who were believing in the promise land.
Bad wake up.
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Old 13th Dec 2012, 15:12
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Simmer down.

Yes, it seems that a change in philosophy as to unexperienced new hires has been made in QR, espacially after this year´s "Spanish hangover" (no offence to my spanish friends). But it certainly does not mean that QR is pouring sulfuric acid into our blue pool to make us dissolve into oblivion.

Into every each of us, QR has already invested not a totally unsignificant amount of time, money and effort and the selection process has been fair, just as iQatar has suggested (winning a group assesment does not make one a better pilot).

QR will clear the backlog of those still interested once it is clear that the new airport will truly be opened, thus new aircraft will be able to arrive, thus new pilot are needed. Then we can all rejoice and fly happily ever after .
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Old 13th Dec 2012, 20:57
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I also keep thinking positive,i dont see there is anything wrong about Qatar asking CTC to do some of their training. They probably have lack of instructors and use a training provider of good reputation to help them with the training,there is nothing wrong with that. But ofcourse if CTC was chosen to be their sole training provider (which is a really small probability in my opinion) then this is definetely a wrong choice,I can see the paytofly scheme would be the next step after this.
I agree with you geronimo,the delay of the new airport is probably holding everything back. When would the airport be ready? Anyone has a clue?
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Old 14th Dec 2012, 12:17
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Lecm, nothing new, every 6 months they keep announcing the same..delay delay..delay...if we follow the logic,this airport will never open!
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Old 15th Dec 2012, 15:45
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Devil

Quote:
Laura Elliott a CTC Wings graduate pilot who will now be joining Qatar Airways as a First Officer after her type rating training in May commented
Well she did work hard for it.
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Old 15th Dec 2012, 16:11
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You're missing the point
If you join as a FTSO/NTSO, you will be a FO after line training is complete. The CTC lot arrives in Doha partially type rated. When they have finished line training they will be FO's. So no, they dont join as FO's, on day one. I think its a typo, or just integrated school/CTC marketing.
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Old 16th Dec 2012, 03:06
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Congrats to Laura for getting the position. But the grass is not always greener on the other side - it is better to come with your eyes WIDE OPEN and know what to expect... Not sure how familiar people are with the current rosters at QR - they are not like the ones you would see at BA. The position with Qatar will no doubt be great for flying experience, but let's see how long Laura will enjoy this type of roster on the A320 (copied from previous PPRuNe post):

Here is another actual roster.
Again, all times are based on DOHA which is where your body clock will be.

Day 1. off
Day 2. report 0630, Gulf turn-around, land DOH 1130, followed by min-rest.
Day 3. report 0035, one sector for layover in India, land at 0615.
Day 4. wake-up-call 0400, land DOH 1130, followed by min-rest.
Day 5. report 0035, one sector for layover in India, land at 0615.
Day 6. wake-up-call 0400, land DOH 1130, followed by min-rest.
Day 7. report 0040 for regional turn-around, land DOH 0610.
Day 8. off
Day 9. report 1515 for three-sectors, Gulf turn-around, followed by layoverIndia.
Day 10. land at outstation 0130 (layover), wake-up-call 2330.
Day 11. land DOH 0620. followed by 17hrs 25min rest.
Day 12. report 0015, regional turn-around, land DOH 0620.
Day 13. report 1115, regional turn-around, land DOH1940.
Day 14. off
Day 15. off

They actually gave me duty on my day off on day 14 (without asking), but Ireported sick for that day.

You will get a pattern like this almost every month.

Last edited by Iver; 16th Dec 2012 at 03:10.
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Old 16th Dec 2012, 08:49
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Hello

Just spoke recently to a few 320 drivers ,and roster did definitely improve.Qatar invested a huge amount into a system which actually calculates the hours but also looks after the rhythms of the body.
I so far ,have not met any unhappy crew .

Will not discuss anything else ,this is a fact and people told me this ,if they told me the truth ,I'm quite sure they did .
Cheers

UP
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Old 16th Dec 2012, 10:26
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End of november update received

I guess all of received the update by now...see it as you wish.

Dear Applicant,

As we indicated mid-year, we would continue to offer updates on our manpower requirements to those pilots in our talent pool. The good news is that we have been steadily employing pilots from the talent pool over the past few months as our manpower requirements for 2013 become clearer. To give you some indication of our hiring trends for the coming 12 months, we will see an easing of the requirement for Second Officers, there is likely to be no further recruitment of Fast Track Second Officers, a reduced requirement also for First Officers and an increasing requirement for direct entry Captains, particularly those who qualify for wide body aircraft command. It remains our intention to draw the majority of these requirements from the existing talent pool members.

You will also have noticed that we have launched a new candidate management system that means you will not be able access your original application. Your original application is still held by us and we will continue to use it as our pilot talent pool database. Occasionally we will place specific pilot vacancies on our website careers section for limited periods, only if we need to supplement the talent pool in areas where we may have a shortage; otherwise all manpower requirements for the next year will be drawn from the talent pool. Additional good news is that we have eased some of the training limitations we have faced this year and expect to be able to move new joiners through their training at a much faster rate.

Our next update will be sent to you in February 2013 and I expect that some of you will begin to receive joining dates for next year between now and then. Once again we thank you for your patience and continued interest in joining the Qatar Airways Flight Deck team.

Warm regards,

Flight Deck Recruitment Team
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Old 16th Dec 2012, 10:35
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Yes also received the same Nov update- Does it mean then they will only mostly be taking on DEC' wide body? (Apart from a trickle of first/second officers)

hmmmmm.
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Old 16th Dec 2012, 10:35
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confirmed

Confirmed. We will see an easing of the requirement for Second Officers? No need for fast track second officers? Does that mean they will employ those in the Talent Pool and not further asses new ones?
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