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Intruso 31st Dec 2012 02:10

Waiting in the pool while getting tanned
 
Hi! Im same situation as you, but I'm not 777 rated but 747 rated.. Still waiting on the pool and my good news were in August like you

easytiger 31st Dec 2012 15:02

Up to date terms and conditions
 
I've spent a while trying to work my way through 300 pages of posts to try and find the terms and conditions for a wide bodied DEC including current pay scales. Could someone be so kind as to point me in the right direction?

Many thanks

casablanca 31st Dec 2012 16:37

widebody Dec....
basic pay...31,000 QR
transport allowance 1500 / month
utility 300/month
telephone 400/ month
housing.. 12000/ month
school max out 105000 per year for 3 children

flight pay for captains was 120 per hour.


This information may not be current but should be close.

CLOUD999 31st Dec 2012 17:00

Many of details of basic salary and allowance here but does anybody have details of the all important extras.
Loss of Licence, medical insurance, death in service?
What is the cost of car ownerships ? Are there any interest free loans from company?
I am aware there is no pension.
Education allowance , does this include university? If so is it only to cover course fees or can we claim for student accomodation and living expenses.
Living in Doha? Is it feasable for a couple to live in say West Bay area in a reasonable appartment within the housing allowance for DEC? ( I preffer the idea of being near coast and restaurants etc as schooling no longer a priority).
Are there any reasonable sailing clubs or facilities for leisure sailing? Not just racing?
Cost of living compared to UK?
Internet- is it fast enough and cheap enough to to ba able to view UK TV via VPN?
If anybody has any details of the above much appreciated.
Thanks in advance.

F14 31st Dec 2012 18:33

Money is as above Cloud 999. minus the bond for the first 18months if they take you NTR. You get this back after 36 months though.

West Bay or The Pearl is where a lot of the guys live, you could maybe source something for the 12000QR. However most people pay 15000-25000, depending on tastes. Some of the wide body guys share and make nice money, biding for the US flights to see the family. The Pearl is 25mins-45mins from the Hardies Car Park. Normally one direction you will hit the traffic, the other will be midnight/2 am. So quite, just take care!! subtract 10-15mins for west bay. A lot of guys stay at Ezdan Suites while finding there feet in Doha. Training takes 6months min NTR, 4months TR'd narrow body, longer on the wide body. Bond is taken from day one, so money can be a bit short during this period if fixed outgoings are high or you still have commitments back home.

Banks give car loans after 6 months, driving is dangerous here, many accidents and it is an issue for the authorities. Petrol is very cheap though so, it is possible to indulge in some cubic inches.!

Sailing, there aren't clubs like in the UK. More like the french, with sailing centres. Where you can hire a Laser for 100QR an hour. Wind is generally 5-10kts, however there are very windy days during Shimal season. 25-35kts.

F14 31st Dec 2012 18:45

Cost of living is cheaper than the UK in most things. However food quality can be variable, because most stuff is imported. They recently opened a farmers market for Qatari farmers, which is interesting.

Eating out is expensive, alcohol is expensive due restrictions on supply.

Internet is quick in some areas where they installed fibre. However most areas, OK for radio. To watch TV down load for iPlayer or C4.

CLOUD999 31st Dec 2012 20:22

Thanks for the info F14 it all helps to build up the big picture!
If anybody knows about loss of licence or death in service details if any that wold be a help. Cheers.

Flytdeck 1st Jan 2013 00:31

Eating out
 
REF: F14 remark.

Eating out expensive in western style or fancy local restaurants. Truth is the best food for eating out is in the local establishments and two can dine on amazing food for the equivalent of $25.00 US. Many ethnic cuisines represented and healthier (and less expensive) than eating at Burger King.

After you obtain your liquor permit, enjoy your beverages in you home. Safer and much less expensive than dining and drinking at an establishment that has a liquor license!

CLOUD999 1st Jan 2013 12:58

Thanks for some useful info guys , i just read some pretty horrific reviews about Ezdan suites on trip advisor, why do guys stay there initially? Maybe its better than the reviews suggest?
Sounds like there are some nice options for rental in West Bay/ Pearl with maybe a little extra cost.
Also I just heard that new entrants will now be getting company accomodation does anyone know the name of this area and any experience.
Cheers
Oh Happy New Year all !

scruff 1st Jan 2013 13:15

Positive or negative
 
Hi,Just for info?
Are there any current Captains here that have any positive/ negative issues about QA on the 330 fleet?
Also what can one expect to gross monthly with regard to salary and all allowances.
Thanks for info.

Tritzo 2nd Jan 2013 21:17

worst news ever -.-

i have heard of people waiting for more than half a year when in doha, yes.
but i havent heard of random terminations (there was always - even if a random - reason to it)


#############edit##############

the post was an answer to the post of a FO who wrote something here yesterday but seemed to have it deleted. obviously there were random terminations in the training department because it couldnt handle the overall situation.

but who really knows... lets wait and see

casablanca 3rd Jan 2013 06:51

@cloud999
It appears they are using " Holiday Villa" as one of the housing options. I does seem to be fact that they are now "as of today" assigning housing vs giving the 10,000 QR/ month

Tugnut 3rd Jan 2013 10:53

Just a correction from F14's post. You can get a new car loan straight away but have to wait 6 months for the personal loan. Unless its changed in a year, in which case I stand corrected.

peter330 3rd Jan 2013 10:59

I am living it in my own soul, I am here in Doha, as FTSO (fast track sh-t officer) and the way the company treat you is incredible....
You join the 5 stars joke with a bag full of ilusion and in a couple of months you realize that are in another company, not in Qatar Airways.
They promised you 42 days of leave, and later you only get 30, they said to you that you will be trained Fast and later you are MORE than a YEAR doing nothing in this bored country, with very little money and without flying....
And if you want to go to your country, they changed the ticket policy and now you only can fly in economy, business is only for the company pilots, and your are not one of them, you are nothing in this country.
And in the 330 fleet, the Second Officers Fast Track, after being waiting more than a year to fly a little bit, are now being fired without any explanation, just because the company changed the mind.
This is the situation now with the Second Officers.....or Sh_t Officers, because they make you fell like that.
All the FO that join the company after you (even a year after you!!!!) are flying directly, and you just see the time passing in front of you.
And if you go to talk with management, they smile to you and say always the same: Do not worry, in a couple of months you will be flying as FO.....always the same joke.
Some Second Officers are moving to other places, because it is easy to find a job where they pay you more than 2000$, that is your salary for years......
I am about to move, but this week they told me that in two months I will be flying, and maybe this time it is true, if it is not, I will go.....

gottofly 3rd Jan 2013 14:49

DEC
 
Anybody with any idea when narrowbody DEC recruitment may start again?

disagreeable 4th Jan 2013 08:49


I am living it in my own soul, I am here in Doha, as FTSO (fast track sh-t officer) and the way the company treat you is incredible....
You join the 5 stars joke with a bag full of ilusion and in a couple of months you realize that are in another company, not in Qatar Airways.
They promised you 42 days of leave, and later you only get 30, they said to you that you will be trained Fast and later you are MORE than a YEAR doing nothing in this bored country, with very little money and without flying....
And if you want to go to your country, they changed the ticket policy and now you only can fly in economy, business is only for the company pilots, and your are not one of them, you are nothing in this country.
And in the 330 fleet, the Second Officers Fast Track, after being waiting more than a year to fly a little bit, are now being fired without any explanation, just because the company changed the mind.
This is the situation now with the Second Officers.....or Sh_t Officers, because they make you fell like that.
All the FO that join the company after you (even a year after you!!!!) are flying directly, and you just see the time passing in front of you.
And if you go to talk with management, they smile to you and say always the same: Do not worry, in a couple of months you will be flying as FO.....always the same joke.
Some Second Officers are moving to other places, because it is easy to find a job where they pay you more than 2000$, that is your salary for years......
I am about to move, but this week they told me that in two months I will be flying, and maybe this time it is true, if it is not, I will go.....
Amen.
They cant hold the truth in forever!
Yep, i must say they are treating the SOs like :mad:
I think you may get a couple flights here and there, but my advice is to go do the interview in another airline and give yourself the option!

cccc 4th Jan 2013 17:55

Hi all FTSO, SO,

I really don't understand what the difference is between a FTSO in linetraining and a FO who is in linetraining, except the amount of sectors and the salary. But then again, who am I to understand their philosophy about recruitment/linetraining? :(
In their last mail they said they would not recruit more FTSO, but hire the ones in the holding pool, based on priorities, etc... So I would say based on that, that they have their training in order, and it wouldn't last as long as in the past.
I have information from a reliable source that QR would only hire 15 FTSO's for 2013. And it's unknown on what factors these FTSO's would be called, except that these would receive information in February. Based on this, I would say that the training will not last as long anymore. But hey, what do I know? :(
And the other question is, what happens with the rest? Because I think there are more than 15 FTSO's in the pool.
I don't know what to say/write anymore.
Cheers to you all and all a happy 2013.
cccc

jeanpaul172 4th Jan 2013 18:18

FTSO / SO
 
@Cccc,

The information you got saying that only 15 FTSO's will join in 2013 is most probably correct. I have seen an email from a manager of recruitment telling that no further Externally recruited SO's (normal track, cadets) would be hired in 2013. The email also said: there might be a requirement fora limited number of FTSO but only in the second half of 2013. I guess there are about 50+ normal SO's and 100iish FTSO's in the pool (my guess) . ALSO Qatar was in Tunesia to recruit NTSO/ FTSO as part of some kind of charity project to support Tunesian citizens. Will these Tunesians be given priority?
My friend was on the interview (NTSO) And they told him: from April onwaard youll be starting. What is going on?!

cccc 4th Jan 2013 21:35

I find it just disturbing that we all have gone the through the same selection, are put in this holding pool, and after all this... you have to be lucky to get hired, because their policy/requirement has changed. I know that aviation changes... but the fact is that QR has a big order of aircrafts... and they will need pilots...
In the beginning of 2012, I went to their open day... they needed about 700 pilots... and now... you might get called. :(

Boeing777ER 4th Jan 2013 22:20

I dont Know what your sources are, but its high likely they are not correct.
QR have had problems with instruction this last year but it keep nedding pilots for 2013. A friend FTSO received the good news a coouple of days ago.
Why woulnt they hire us??We only have to a do a few sectors more than a FO.
In the Nov update ,QR told us that we will be hired in 2013.why dont trust them?


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