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The recruitment process is very changeable in Ryanair. It really does depend when you join. I waited about 5 months from interview to Type Rating. Some waited a lot less as they were prepared to take a cancellations like a friend of mine at about 24 hrs notice!
There was a complete backlog in the system when I went through it. It backed up due to a combination of factors but the main one was a total lack of investment in back office staff. Some waited up to 10 months from finishing the Type Rating to line training, without pay. This was seemingly a once off, and things have changed now. I believe it is usually a matter of weeks from end of type to Base Check and onto line training now.
Once the Base Check is done you will get a roster. I was lucky I only had one base for my line training before getting moved on to my requested first choice of base. My course mates varied in theor experiences. One literally had a days training in Pisa, then a Standby day then a day in CRL. The week after in STN then in Dublin. I don't know if this still happens but it can. I think it may have been realted to the training crisis last year. It seems from looking at the rosters that you would at least do a whole working week in one base now.
Life as a S/O. It was really hard at the start. I was making 890 GBP which didn't even cover the B&B and food bills. I was under intense pressure financially and then getting used to 4-4.30 am alarm clock calls 5 days in a row and trying to get to grips with line training was very difficult. I can't say I look back on that period with any fondness. The first few months on half sector pay were very tight, I was only spending money on surviving, but still living pay cheque to pay cheque.
Once I got on full sector pay a huge weight was lifted from around my neck. I was able to live a little. Got a reasonable place to live. Got a car. Was able to go to the pub a little more. Manage to start learning the language of the new country I found myself in and started to feel a little less alien in it.
As for the flying. Lots of when I was on half sector pay, but when I went to full I stopped doing max hours every month. The earlies are a killer. A week of them which usually report at 5.30 am local and finish at up to 5 pm really takes it out of you.
It is a great place to learn though. 4 sectors a day, lots of hands on flying. Short runways, ATC that can't speak English, terrain critical airports, Lots and lots of non precision approaches, Circle to land Non Precision approaches at night time in crappy weather, sometimes you have to fly a visual as its only on offer, lots of winter Ops and snow, airports with no one else there to the bust TMAs of London and Dublin. From that point of view interesting stuff.
You have to feed and water yourself at work. Nothing provided, not even drinking water for crew. It was removed by the company to save money.
The recruitment process is very changeable in Ryanair. It really does depend when you join. I waited about 5 months from interview to Type Rating. Some waited a lot less as they were prepared to take a cancellations like a friend of mine at about 24 hrs notice!
There was a complete backlog in the system when I went through it. It backed up due to a combination of factors but the main one was a total lack of investment in back office staff. Some waited up to 10 months from finishing the Type Rating to line training, without pay. This was seemingly a once off, and things have changed now. I believe it is usually a matter of weeks from end of type to Base Check and onto line training now.
Once the Base Check is done you will get a roster. I was lucky I only had one base for my line training before getting moved on to my requested first choice of base. My course mates varied in theor experiences. One literally had a days training in Pisa, then a Standby day then a day in CRL. The week after in STN then in Dublin. I don't know if this still happens but it can. I think it may have been realted to the training crisis last year. It seems from looking at the rosters that you would at least do a whole working week in one base now.
Life as a S/O. It was really hard at the start. I was making 890 GBP which didn't even cover the B&B and food bills. I was under intense pressure financially and then getting used to 4-4.30 am alarm clock calls 5 days in a row and trying to get to grips with line training was very difficult. I can't say I look back on that period with any fondness. The first few months on half sector pay were very tight, I was only spending money on surviving, but still living pay cheque to pay cheque.
Once I got on full sector pay a huge weight was lifted from around my neck. I was able to live a little. Got a reasonable place to live. Got a car. Was able to go to the pub a little more. Manage to start learning the language of the new country I found myself in and started to feel a little less alien in it.
As for the flying. Lots of when I was on half sector pay, but when I went to full I stopped doing max hours every month. The earlies are a killer. A week of them which usually report at 5.30 am local and finish at up to 5 pm really takes it out of you.
It is a great place to learn though. 4 sectors a day, lots of hands on flying. Short runways, ATC that can't speak English, terrain critical airports, Lots and lots of non precision approaches, Circle to land Non Precision approaches at night time in crappy weather, sometimes you have to fly a visual as its only on offer, lots of winter Ops and snow, airports with no one else there to the bust TMAs of London and Dublin. From that point of view interesting stuff.
You have to feed and water yourself at work. Nothing provided, not even drinking water for crew. It was removed by the company to save money.
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Another thread that I think prospective Ryanair wannabes should read and think very carefully about:
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Well done Carmoisine. I cannot speak too highly of your honesty and helpfulness. Yours is the authentic story that so many "do not want to hear". Thanks also to scroggs for facilitating the debate.
It is particularly helpful that you are obviously within your first couple of years in FR and you stand out in being prepared to come here and spell it out (far too few do). I gave up attempting to help / guide wannabe's by posting when I saw the general unwillingness to use the many posts here to generate even a little bit of caution in their fevered desire to pay Ryanair to screw them.
Now there are no long any co-pilots in FR earning good - industry standard - money. In the recent words of MOL (in HHN at a public meeting with pilots): "The carrot for co-pilots in future will be early command".
The captains are next on the list for further reductions. And some of them have not realised that yet either, so I have in this case some sympathy for the wannabe's. At least they have some excuse!
It is particularly helpful that you are obviously within your first couple of years in FR and you stand out in being prepared to come here and spell it out (far too few do). I gave up attempting to help / guide wannabe's by posting when I saw the general unwillingness to use the many posts here to generate even a little bit of caution in their fevered desire to pay Ryanair to screw them.
Now there are no long any co-pilots in FR earning good - industry standard - money. In the recent words of MOL (in HHN at a public meeting with pilots): "The carrot for co-pilots in future will be early command".
The captains are next on the list for further reductions. And some of them have not realised that yet either, so I have in this case some sympathy for the wannabe's. At least they have some excuse!
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It seems to me that people that come on here and moan about Ryanair are afraid of hard work. You are trying to tell me that sitting on your ass for 6 hours a day, doing 4 sectors is hard. The only hard bit about it is the turn arounds, and even I on line training am not really finding that an issue.
I know that the money is crap. We all agree on that, and i know that they treat you like crap. There is no escaping that, but i came into this company and job with my eyes wide open. I knew what they were about, and as much as the early mornings and the home each night only make you more tierd, its a job, and it is the first step on the ladder.
There is enough information on this website and enough pilots that work for the company for no one to have any excuse to say "I didnt know it was going to be this hard", and if you dont do your home work, then quite frankly more fool you.
As for the hours thing, every captain and FO I have spoken to is moaning again about the hours that they are doing. All the safety pilots and all the captains have hit there 100 hours.
It seems you can never win. If you are given a standby day, people moan because they are on standby and not getting sector pay, and when they are called in, all they do is moan because they are working.
Like i said before. The company is not great, but my personal opinion is I am there to do a job, I am not afriad of hard work, and everyone has to start somewhere. (And i know Ryanair play on this, but they gave me a job, and hours on type..........)
I know that the money is crap. We all agree on that, and i know that they treat you like crap. There is no escaping that, but i came into this company and job with my eyes wide open. I knew what they were about, and as much as the early mornings and the home each night only make you more tierd, its a job, and it is the first step on the ladder.
There is enough information on this website and enough pilots that work for the company for no one to have any excuse to say "I didnt know it was going to be this hard", and if you dont do your home work, then quite frankly more fool you.
As for the hours thing, every captain and FO I have spoken to is moaning again about the hours that they are doing. All the safety pilots and all the captains have hit there 100 hours.
It seems you can never win. If you are given a standby day, people moan because they are on standby and not getting sector pay, and when they are called in, all they do is moan because they are working.
Like i said before. The company is not great, but my personal opinion is I am there to do a job, I am not afriad of hard work, and everyone has to start somewhere. (And i know Ryanair play on this, but they gave me a job, and hours on type..........)
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I am starting at EMA on April 2nd. I am curious if any of you on the form might be starting on the same date: if so, PM me.
And for the rest, the best of luck with your career aspirations.
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And for the rest, the best of luck with your career aspirations.
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I would like to express my gratitude to the persons that have contributed to this thread with their experineces. Internet forums like Pprune are a very effective way trade information that help us to make decisions of better quality. Without knowing the downsides of RyanAir, I probably would have joined in good faith believing their claims of best pay and good conditions. So thank you once again for sharing your experiences for the good of everybody else 
It has been very unselfish of you to allow your colleagues to avoid these traps.
It has been very unselfish of you to allow your colleagues to avoid these traps.
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All the safety pilots and all the captains have hit there 100 hours.
2 thoughts.
1. You are a troll of the first order. I have company issued material that shows this could not be further from the truth. I would post this material here but it is copyright. Even the company, the mighty propaganda machine that it is wouldn't claim this right now. We are overstaffed hugely at the moment. 100hrs a month is not happening for anyone. You are either trolling or lying. Or both.
2. If you really are working for Ryanair, and I doubt it because Line Training is pretty savage on even experienced Pilots, you are exactly the type of Pilot Ryanair is looking for. You will fit right in.
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After reading the various posts I hope that those who may be considering Ryanair may now have a second thought.
From the initial outlook then the lure of a Boeing 737-800 and lots of flying is bound to sound appealing but I can assure you that according to the contributions that have been made it seems that the honeymoon period wears off very quickly! From an outsider such as I am, then I get the impression that Ryanair can be summed up as being stressful and tiring and if that is the case then the fun element will be driven out fairly soon after starting your line flying and having to scrape by on the salary won't help either!
If the money was fantastic then that would ease the situation slightly but from what we have been reading it seems as if it is simply not worth it - fancy B737-800 in your licence or not! As for getting sent around for your line training then the stress of finding accomodation etc etc must just be as stressful as learning to fly the aircraft itself!
The market is good and there are better oppertunities out there. Think long and hard and as the saying goes 'if there is any doubt then there is no doubt'!
From the initial outlook then the lure of a Boeing 737-800 and lots of flying is bound to sound appealing but I can assure you that according to the contributions that have been made it seems that the honeymoon period wears off very quickly! From an outsider such as I am, then I get the impression that Ryanair can be summed up as being stressful and tiring and if that is the case then the fun element will be driven out fairly soon after starting your line flying and having to scrape by on the salary won't help either!
If the money was fantastic then that would ease the situation slightly but from what we have been reading it seems as if it is simply not worth it - fancy B737-800 in your licence or not! As for getting sent around for your line training then the stress of finding accomodation etc etc must just be as stressful as learning to fly the aircraft itself!
The market is good and there are better oppertunities out there. Think long and hard and as the saying goes 'if there is any doubt then there is no doubt'!
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You are trying to tell me that sitting on your ass for 6 hours a day, doing 4 sectors is hard. The only hard bit about it is the turn arounds, and even I on line training am not really finding that an issue.
What breathtaking arrogance. I hope to god that your first merde meets fan situation happens before they let you near the regular line joes as you won't be spouting such rubbish after that day happens (as it will, it does to everyone).
Anyway, why don't you come back in a year and tell us all how wonderful it is.
Though I suspect that if you're taking the line-training so lightly, you won't last the month.
Carmoisine:
Mandatory reading for all hopefuls (a.k.a. the deranged). I know we can count on your rejection vote. I hope the undecideds take note.
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I have been looking back at the posts by jayc004 since returning from a little holiday. Ignoring what was said about me and concentrating on what he says, I'd like to argue against Carmoisine's "troll" accusation (though for my money Carmoisine is the authentic voice of the FR "cadet Second Officer"). As for jayc004, try these quotes -
We were all young once and I think jayc004 is both young and also inexperienced. I suspect he is also a bit more well intentioned that he appears. After all, he did come here to post with a view to helping those about to join Ryanair and his posts are NOT the typical posts of Ryanair camp followers and "managers masquerading as pilots".
jayc004's statements as posted above are all statements which I would disagree with, not because they are not true of jayc004's experience (for who am I to make such a claim?), but because while they may be true of his experience they are simply an inaccurate picture of life in Ryanair at this moment. I cannot understand why he generalises his personal experience and represents this as everybody's experience in an airline with 17 differerent bases.
It certainly is not true that "everybody is hitting 100 hours". When jayc004 joins REPA he will get a broader perspective on this and why his experience may be narrower than he realises.
And yes jayc004, in reference to an earlier post of yours, FR have indeed mightily pissed me off on several occasions. In this I am far from being alone. I see no reason why they should be allowed to get away with persuading new pilot to part with large sums of money without providing any of he normal protections or even written guidance about what those trainees should expect.
That is why I post here - in the hope that we might persuade a few to head in another direction and avoid indentured labour for Europe's most profitable airline.
It seems to me that people that come on here and moan about Ryanair are afraid of hard work.
There is enough information on this website and enough pilots that work for the company for no one to have any excuse to say "I didnt know it was going to be this hard"
…. every captain and FO I have spoken to is moaning again about the hours that they are doing. All the safety pilots and all the captains have hit there 100 hours.
jayc004's statements as posted above are all statements which I would disagree with, not because they are not true of jayc004's experience (for who am I to make such a claim?), but because while they may be true of his experience they are simply an inaccurate picture of life in Ryanair at this moment. I cannot understand why he generalises his personal experience and represents this as everybody's experience in an airline with 17 differerent bases.
It certainly is not true that "everybody is hitting 100 hours". When jayc004 joins REPA he will get a broader perspective on this and why his experience may be narrower than he realises.
And yes jayc004, in reference to an earlier post of yours, FR have indeed mightily pissed me off on several occasions. In this I am far from being alone. I see no reason why they should be allowed to get away with persuading new pilot to part with large sums of money without providing any of he normal protections or even written guidance about what those trainees should expect.
That is why I post here - in the hope that we might persuade a few to head in another direction and avoid indentured labour for Europe's most profitable airline.
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I have been following this and other related posts on pprune regarding Ryanair for sometime now. Though the specifics and/or truth about Ryanair will never be known for sure it has nevertheless reached a point beyond reasonable doubt (that's the best I can hope for). Therefore I'd personally erase Ryanair from any career plans or aspirations I might have for the future.
Though I understand entirely that you have to scarifice much to get anywhere in life I'd much rather not put my career in the hands of such scheming 'people'. I want to find employment not sell my soul
Will probably go down the 'marginally better' 757 route rather than the ever more congested 737 route especially of the Ryanair variety. Ryanair seem to get more and more wannabes to begin tying their own blindfold and standing in front of the target backdrop for them to have a pop at you! One thing that hasn't been mentioned throughout is the issue of health too. Good luck peeps but I've made up my mind and will wander away from this whole 737 cafe.
Though I understand entirely that you have to scarifice much to get anywhere in life I'd much rather not put my career in the hands of such scheming 'people'. I want to find employment not sell my soul
Will probably go down the 'marginally better' 757 route rather than the ever more congested 737 route especially of the Ryanair variety. Ryanair seem to get more and more wannabes to begin tying their own blindfold and standing in front of the target backdrop for them to have a pop at you! One thing that hasn't been mentioned throughout is the issue of health too. Good luck peeps but I've made up my mind and will wander away from this whole 737 cafe.
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Greetings. New to the forum. I have read much regarding Ryanair and their practices. Thanks for the information. It helps the job seeker make an educated decision. Yes, I'm considering Ryan as one on my hit list for perspective employment (as I've stated above, I've read much). Question: Anyone know what the prospect on getting a Dublin base is, during current staffing conditions?
Additionally, living and flying in the US and return back to IRL soon. What's the story on FAA to IAA/JAA licensing?
Additionally, living and flying in the US and return back to IRL soon. What's the story on FAA to IAA/JAA licensing?
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"I see no reason why they should be allowed to get away with persuading new pilot to part with large sums of money without providing any of he normal protections or even written guidance about what those trainees should expect. "
I do have to say in reply to this, if you went and spent £30k at Gcat, or like wise at Bond, where is the offer of a line training, let alone anything else??
There are many organisations that are happy to take your money for a type rating with no sign of anthing after the base check, and it costs almost double what CAE/SAS are requesting.
Dont forget, Ryanair are not taking your money, they are simply stating that you must do the type rating that everyone who wants to fly a MC plane has to do, at one of their approved schools.
This is like saying that Easyjet is ripping you off if they dont employ you because they said that they only take cadets from CTC and you went and paid CTC £60K for the privilage!
I am not saying that Ryanair is a lovely company to work for, nor that I have been there that long, but this is a forum for putting down your opinions and thoughts and experiences, and to date, I have no gripes. I am doing what i have wanted to do all my life, and have been training for 2 years to do.
I WISH i was being paid more.
I WISH that I hadnt had to pay for a type rating.
The fact of the matter was, Ryanair were the first people to offer me a job. They contacted me for an interview. Why would i pass up the option of a job on the hope that something else would come along....that seems stupid to me!!
In the long run, everyone has to pay for type ratings some how. Whether it be on a reduced sallery for 5 years because you are bonded, or because you pay it up front, it is the fact that people coming into the aviation bussiness have to face.
People may not agree with what i think, and I dont really care to be honest. I am happy I am working, I am happy that I am flying, and I dont see it as a job. I see it as something i love that i am privialged enough to get paid.
If people are so unhappy with Ryanair, then leave and do something else, or go on strike and drop the company right in the hole. Stop talking about it all and just do it.....what is stopping you. And if you say anything about "The contract".......no one other then you put your name on that bit of paper.
I do have to say in reply to this, if you went and spent £30k at Gcat, or like wise at Bond, where is the offer of a line training, let alone anything else??
There are many organisations that are happy to take your money for a type rating with no sign of anthing after the base check, and it costs almost double what CAE/SAS are requesting.
Dont forget, Ryanair are not taking your money, they are simply stating that you must do the type rating that everyone who wants to fly a MC plane has to do, at one of their approved schools.
This is like saying that Easyjet is ripping you off if they dont employ you because they said that they only take cadets from CTC and you went and paid CTC £60K for the privilage!
I am not saying that Ryanair is a lovely company to work for, nor that I have been there that long, but this is a forum for putting down your opinions and thoughts and experiences, and to date, I have no gripes. I am doing what i have wanted to do all my life, and have been training for 2 years to do.
I WISH i was being paid more.
I WISH that I hadnt had to pay for a type rating.
The fact of the matter was, Ryanair were the first people to offer me a job. They contacted me for an interview. Why would i pass up the option of a job on the hope that something else would come along....that seems stupid to me!!
In the long run, everyone has to pay for type ratings some how. Whether it be on a reduced sallery for 5 years because you are bonded, or because you pay it up front, it is the fact that people coming into the aviation bussiness have to face.
People may not agree with what i think, and I dont really care to be honest. I am happy I am working, I am happy that I am flying, and I dont see it as a job. I see it as something i love that i am privialged enough to get paid.
If people are so unhappy with Ryanair, then leave and do something else, or go on strike and drop the company right in the hole. Stop talking about it all and just do it.....what is stopping you. And if you say anything about "The contract".......no one other then you put your name on that bit of paper.
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Dont forget, Ryanair are not taking your money
This is like saying that Easyjet is ripping you off
In the long run, everyone has to pay for type ratings some how. Whether it be on a reduced sallery for 5 years because you are bonded
If people are so unhappy with Ryanair, then leave and do something else,
go on strike and drop the company right in the hole.
And if you say anything about "The contract".......no one other then you put your name on that bit of paper.
but this is a forum for putting down your opinions and thoughts and experiences, and to date,
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Jayc004 - well said. I echo all your thoughts. No one is holding a gun at anyone's head saying you HAVE to work for Ryanair. It's our choice. As with the vast majority of jobs in life - we can leave if we want to. It is NOT a sweatshop! Sweatshop workers have no choice. We do. And Jayc004 has stated that although it's not the greatest airline to work for, it suits him. Don't slate him for being positive.
I could leave if I wanted to as well, but I'm taking the positives out of it - ie hours on a great aircraft and good experience in terms of lots of non-precision approaches etc. Those of us that are here and enjoying it have simply weighed up the pros and cons and decided to stay. And if things were to get unbearable we could leave.
Most airlines have preferred schools. BA newbies are taken just from Oxford, Jerez and Cranfield, BMI are taking on a lot mainly from Oxford, Easyjet mainly only take cadets from CTC - so this practice is not unique to Ryanair.
I could leave if I wanted to as well, but I'm taking the positives out of it - ie hours on a great aircraft and good experience in terms of lots of non-precision approaches etc. Those of us that are here and enjoying it have simply weighed up the pros and cons and decided to stay. And if things were to get unbearable we could leave.
Most airlines have preferred schools. BA newbies are taken just from Oxford, Jerez and Cranfield, BMI are taking on a lot mainly from Oxford, Easyjet mainly only take cadets from CTC - so this practice is not unique to Ryanair.
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Thank you Skyflyer. Someone who is actually reading what I am putting as the thoughts that i actually have.
I do not calim my opinions or experiences to be difinative, just as mucha s you dont claim yours are.
I go to your point about EI not reducing your sallery if they pay for your type rating. I dont know about this, but what you are saying is that a guy turns up with a type rating on the aircraft will be paid the same amount as a guy who turns up without one and EI pay for it. If anything, that situation doesnt seem fair. And to that end, do you know how many zero hour pilots EI took last year and paid for their type ratings and then paid the same amount in sallery to as the currently working FO's?
FR taking a kick-back on the fees for training costs - I think everyone knows that FR are a money making machine, and that most likely does happen. Still doesnt defer from the fact that £18000 for a type rating, base check, and line training is cheaper then you will pay anywhere else should you go along the self sponsored route.
I am starting to wonder to myself that if you are so unhappy at Ryanair, why are you still there. They arent paying you enough, they arent treating you well enough, they are working you to hard. Why have you not gone to another airline?
And getting to my main point of "go on strike" and "leave the company in the hole". How do you think they make 300 million Euro per year........PILOTS fly their aeroplanes. I think its a fairly simple calculation to work out.
No pilots = No flights = No money
Strike action works and no one can say it doesnt. Look at BA. They go on strike and get what they want. TFL only have to suggest a strike and look what happens. Tube drivers are on better pay then pilots!!
You only need unity. Not so much a union, but the fact that EVERYONE decides to take action at the same time on the same day along the same lines.
How can you possibley say that a contract doesnt mean anything. A contract is a set of guidlines. There is always room to move between guidlines. Thats why FR get away with so much. The contracts dont say they cant do something, but like wise, they also dont say they can do something. I am not saying that what FR do is correct, or to the benifit of its pilots. They are in the bussiness of making money, and to be quite frank, they are bloody good at it.
My views quite obviously are not the same as everyone else's views, but I know I cant be the only one that is happy to be employed by Ryanair........
I do not calim my opinions or experiences to be difinative, just as mucha s you dont claim yours are.
I go to your point about EI not reducing your sallery if they pay for your type rating. I dont know about this, but what you are saying is that a guy turns up with a type rating on the aircraft will be paid the same amount as a guy who turns up without one and EI pay for it. If anything, that situation doesnt seem fair. And to that end, do you know how many zero hour pilots EI took last year and paid for their type ratings and then paid the same amount in sallery to as the currently working FO's?
FR taking a kick-back on the fees for training costs - I think everyone knows that FR are a money making machine, and that most likely does happen. Still doesnt defer from the fact that £18000 for a type rating, base check, and line training is cheaper then you will pay anywhere else should you go along the self sponsored route.
I am starting to wonder to myself that if you are so unhappy at Ryanair, why are you still there. They arent paying you enough, they arent treating you well enough, they are working you to hard. Why have you not gone to another airline?
And getting to my main point of "go on strike" and "leave the company in the hole". How do you think they make 300 million Euro per year........PILOTS fly their aeroplanes. I think its a fairly simple calculation to work out.
No pilots = No flights = No money
Strike action works and no one can say it doesnt. Look at BA. They go on strike and get what they want. TFL only have to suggest a strike and look what happens. Tube drivers are on better pay then pilots!!
You only need unity. Not so much a union, but the fact that EVERYONE decides to take action at the same time on the same day along the same lines.
How can you possibley say that a contract doesnt mean anything. A contract is a set of guidlines. There is always room to move between guidlines. Thats why FR get away with so much. The contracts dont say they cant do something, but like wise, they also dont say they can do something. I am not saying that what FR do is correct, or to the benifit of its pilots. They are in the bussiness of making money, and to be quite frank, they are bloody good at it.
My views quite obviously are not the same as everyone else's views, but I know I cant be the only one that is happy to be employed by Ryanair........
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I dont know about this, but what you are saying is that a guy turns up with a type rating on the aircraft will be paid the same amount as a guy who turns up without one and EI pay for it. If anything, that situation doesnt seem fair.
We have here a perfectly valid opinion - but it is so steeped in innocence and naivety as to make one wince. "If anything, that situation doesn't seem fair". Oh yea? Does this mean that now that some pilots have been persuaded to pay for ratings ... (and ALSO work for much less pay) ... that they think that everyone should be made to suffer too! We have a pilot suggesting more pay reductions for others because he is willing to pay for a rating and work for a low salary.
Just who is the problem here? Those who pay, or those who don't?