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Hi,
Basically i'm considering paying for a rating with Ryanair (No smart arse comments please)
I am just after a brief description of the process... Usual stuff like do they guarentee you a job, how long does it take from rating to RHS? etc etc..
Any of you guys been there and done it please share your experience!
Without the usual 'Don't work for Ryanair gags' please!
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Basically i'm considering paying for a rating with Ryanair (No smart arse comments please)
I am just after a brief description of the process... Usual stuff like do they guarentee you a job, how long does it take from rating to RHS? etc etc..
Any of you guys been there and done it please share your experience!
Without the usual 'Don't work for Ryanair gags' please!
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VC10L1011: Unlike the majority of people who will come on here and offer an opinion on a company they don't work for, as a recently hired Pilot I can offer you some facts, and not what I have heard down the pub. I do this as a warning and not looking for sympathy.
The first Major problem you’re going to encounter is the time between starting your type rating course and doing your base check, which is the point you start to get paid. This used to be 4-6 weeks. There are a frightening amount STILL waiting, UNPAID , 7+ MONTHS since they started the TR. This is not an isolated incident, it’s a regular occurrence.
So the first question is asking yourself can you live for the thicker end of a year with no money?
The Pay is the second Major problem. The Deal was changed at the end of the summer. You will now get zero sector pay during the first 6 months of your contract. It used to be that you would get sector pay after line check. No, you get a basic rate of STG 8900 per annum while training. This works out at about STG 7.50 an hour when flying 100 hrs a month, or about STG 270 a week. For Six months! After the first six months, you will still only be on half sector pay for the following six months. Don't forget sector pay is the larger part of the salary here. You might think like I did: "Fine I'll be at home it will be a tight few months, but I'll get through it," It will be worth it in the end.. ", you keep telling yourself. But hang on a minute, you will almost certainly be sent abroad for line training for 6 months, and then probably moved again after the 6 months. So you have to pay for 6 month worth of B&Bs. On STG 8900 a year.
It’s very hard to admit when you have made a mistake, no one wants to admit how foolish they have been, but I will. I was a fool to take this "job".
You will need 40K Euro at least to start. Type rating, 5-600 Euro for the uniform, airside pass, background checks, flights, hotels, B&Bs, salary for 7 months, and the sheer heartache of it all.
I was blinded by the whole thing, I thought I had done well to pass the interview; I was desperate for a job after waiting so long with no replies from any other companies.
The price of admission was too high however. I now have an unbelievable level of debt and I make less then the No.3 Cabin Crew for a year. Think very carefully before you take this thing on.
Would I do it again? No way.
The first Major problem you’re going to encounter is the time between starting your type rating course and doing your base check, which is the point you start to get paid. This used to be 4-6 weeks. There are a frightening amount STILL waiting, UNPAID , 7+ MONTHS since they started the TR. This is not an isolated incident, it’s a regular occurrence.
So the first question is asking yourself can you live for the thicker end of a year with no money?
The Pay is the second Major problem. The Deal was changed at the end of the summer. You will now get zero sector pay during the first 6 months of your contract. It used to be that you would get sector pay after line check. No, you get a basic rate of STG 8900 per annum while training. This works out at about STG 7.50 an hour when flying 100 hrs a month, or about STG 270 a week. For Six months! After the first six months, you will still only be on half sector pay for the following six months. Don't forget sector pay is the larger part of the salary here. You might think like I did: "Fine I'll be at home it will be a tight few months, but I'll get through it," It will be worth it in the end.. ", you keep telling yourself. But hang on a minute, you will almost certainly be sent abroad for line training for 6 months, and then probably moved again after the 6 months. So you have to pay for 6 month worth of B&Bs. On STG 8900 a year.
It’s very hard to admit when you have made a mistake, no one wants to admit how foolish they have been, but I will. I was a fool to take this "job".
You will need 40K Euro at least to start. Type rating, 5-600 Euro for the uniform, airside pass, background checks, flights, hotels, B&Bs, salary for 7 months, and the sheer heartache of it all.
I was blinded by the whole thing, I thought I had done well to pass the interview; I was desperate for a job after waiting so long with no replies from any other companies.
The price of admission was too high however. I now have an unbelievable level of debt and I make less then the No.3 Cabin Crew for a year. Think very carefully before you take this thing on.
Would I do it again? No way.
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Couldnīt agree more with Carmoisine, Right now I am going through what he already lived, I finished the T/R at the end of July, and still waiting to start the line training, and right now I am really disappointed. Think well before you do anything. Before I use to fly piston, but at least I had a life. Maybe on the long run Iīll be pleased with my decision, although right now, I must admit that this has by far been the worst year in my entire life. By the way I got a deal with my bank to start paying for the 30K loan after a year, and I also signed the old contract, and I still canīt see the light at the end of the tunnel, imagine if I had signed that new contract Carmoisine is talking about, iīd probably be selling my body to mature ladies by now.
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Good posts, well done Guys, it takes alot to admit wrong decisions.
I hope this will make some wannabe's take note, That it really is not a good idea to rush out and get type rated without a firm offer, alot of you will end up leaving the industry with alot of debt and a bad taste for aviation. LOOK INTO EVERY POSSIBLITY, there are options you just have to find them.
I hope this will make some wannabe's take note, That it really is not a good idea to rush out and get type rated without a firm offer, alot of you will end up leaving the industry with alot of debt and a bad taste for aviation. LOOK INTO EVERY POSSIBLITY, there are options you just have to find them.
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Fair play you guys ... coming on hear and admitting something was a mistake is not something many would do. Lets hope by these pieces of real life experience and advice that enough guys & girls are put off applying to this joke of an airline and this madness of paying for a job ends.
They are playing a cruel game with the hopes and dreams of people and get away with it because people are so desperate. A classic example of capitalism at its very worst imo
They are playing a cruel game with the hopes and dreams of people and get away with it because people are so desperate. A classic example of capitalism at its very worst imo
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good thread, but if you know to read a contract, you know what to expect.
personaly, I hate to work for free or even pay the airline. pay to wake up at 4 am, go work all day, and at the end of the day: you didnt make any money!
no way!
personaly, I hate to work for free or even pay the airline. pay to wake up at 4 am, go work all day, and at the end of the day: you didnt make any money!
no way!
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unbelievable reading
just a quick question for the guys who are signed up
did you have previous airline experience if so atpl?
and question for anybody who knows or has heard something (no opinions please) will they ever pay for a co-pilots type rating (senior fo) valid rumours of bonding are also welcome
just a quick question for the guys who are signed up
did you have previous airline experience if so atpl?
and question for anybody who knows or has heard something (no opinions please) will they ever pay for a co-pilots type rating (senior fo) valid rumours of bonding are also welcome
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I can't believe this is happening.You can obviously try other airlines with the type in those 'seven' mths? Hope you guys pull thru ok. Cipri & Carm' check your pm's. Cheers S'
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A320rider Please note I did not start this thread, I was answering a question asked by the thread starter. The problem for me is that the deal was changed before I signed the contract, I was already financially committed.
Standardbrief There are a fairly even spread of backgrounds on the mine, and the courses either side of mine.
The man in charge of the course at the school I was at showed me 3,000 applications he had recieved for the self sponsored type that he had recieved that year alone . So no, unless those 3,000 change their minds they won't be giving any free type ratings anytime soon.
Standardbrief There are a fairly even spread of backgrounds on the mine, and the courses either side of mine.
The man in charge of the course at the school I was at showed me 3,000 applications he had recieved for the self sponsored type that he had recieved that year alone . So no, unless those 3,000 change their minds they won't be giving any free type ratings anytime soon.
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This is a pretty terrible thing to happen to you, but I've heard the same from other ex-colleagues of mine who have (tried to) joined FR.
Though much written here about FR I take with a massive pinch of salt, as I have other friends who work for them and really seem to enjoy it. Mind you, since we all used to work for the guaranteed worst company in the industry, a salt mine in Siberia would probably have been better!
Bad luck to those that have been affected by this. I don't think there's much comfort anyone can offer when you've been shafted like this.
Though much written here about FR I take with a massive pinch of salt, as I have other friends who work for them and really seem to enjoy it. Mind you, since we all used to work for the guaranteed worst company in the industry, a salt mine in Siberia would probably have been better!
Bad luck to those that have been affected by this. I don't think there's much comfort anyone can offer when you've been shafted like this.
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I think the guys whom have semi ok experiences with FR on this scheme are tucked up in bed , ready for their 4am report! I just hope your right 'I say again slowly'! I have friends who have done their time at Fr, then moved on to more socialble employment.......at ASDA! .... just kidding............Tescos.
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Oh my god!
Have to confess, had no-idea this sort of cr*p was going on...I fly a TP and have bug*er all money/income, little help from the Bank Of Parents every now and then, but will never moan about it again!!
And no, Longchop, your not alone, I cannot afford to apply to FR!
Just noticed the advert on the top of this page "Ryananir - The High Pay Airline"
Have to confess, had no-idea this sort of cr*p was going on...I fly a TP and have bug*er all money/income, little help from the Bank Of Parents every now and then, but will never moan about it again!!
And no, Longchop, your not alone, I cannot afford to apply to FR!
Just noticed the advert on the top of this page "Ryananir - The High Pay Airline"
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showed me 3,000 applications he had recieved for the self sponsored type that he had recieved that year alone
ravage and scavenge and adore a chance to work for flybe, BMI, BMI regional, BACitiexpress, EasyJet, AerLingus, British Airways, CityJet, Monarch, First Choice, etc etc you name the airline................The bottom line is there is VERY LITTLE or nothing out there.
And if you're wondering why I don't go, I'm in FR long enough to have avoided all the $hit the current newbies suffer. Would I do it again on the current terms? Absolutely no way. Not worth the constant hassle, sim checks, line checks, managment bull$hit.
Carmousine and Cipri, well done on standing up and calling it like it is. The rest of you wannabes take note.
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I cannot believe they have got this bad! When I joined FR on the TR scheme it was totally different. We got a salary after saftey pilot was released on line training and then after line check we went onto half sector pay for six months. After six months we got normal FO salary and full sector pay. Even when I was on half sector pay + cadet salary, it was still ok money, you could live happliy on it! There were also no delays when I joined, it was all really quick and on-line straight away.
To be honest I enjoy it and it's worked out well for me. But I have to say, reading the new terms and conditions of no sector pay for six months etc.. I don't think I would have bothered either! It really is a shame how they seem to sink lower all the time!
I wish you guys the very best of luck with it!
To be honest I enjoy it and it's worked out well for me. But I have to say, reading the new terms and conditions of no sector pay for six months etc.. I don't think I would have bothered either! It really is a shame how they seem to sink lower all the time!
I wish you guys the very best of luck with it!
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Originally Posted by CamelhAir
Hmm, sounds very much like propaganda. I SERIOUSLY doubt there are that many fools out there, what with most other airlines recruiting.
Virtually every airline on this list is recruiting big time, some are seriously stuck for pilots. There is a LOT out there. Low hour guys are getting recruited in a big way in a lot of companies.
Virtually every airline on this list is recruiting big time, some are seriously stuck for pilots. There is a LOT out there. Low hour guys are getting recruited in a big way in a lot of companies.
Other airlines are less demanding of their applicants, but they still don't want to fill all of their new-joiner courses with ab-initio pilots as that creates quite serious experience gaps in the workforce. It also loads the training system hugely, as Ryanair are discovering. Therefore, even though there are many thousands of wannabe pilots out there (and not just from UK), it might be difficult for an airline to get the mix of experience it would like.
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maverick777 says:
Your problem is that the very situation you describe to be acceptable in the short term is working its way through the industry and will inevitably change the future - and not for the better. You also said:
Had it not been for many outsiders the news would have been even slower in coming out. You don't seem to grasp the fact that once Ryanair has you in their clutches you will have a vested interest in keeping a low profile. Most people who have been royally screwed are simply unwilling to speak about it. At least we now have some people sending out warnings.
maverick777 I know that nothing will stop you. But I think you should be a bit more thoughtful and careful about what you are becoming involved in. Ryanair are not doing this as a favour to low-time pilots. Low time pilots are, for Ryanair, like Latvian cabin crew: easily manipulated, susceptable to propaganda and even grateful for the system of exploitation into which they enter. Above all, they are cheap and can be kept cheap by telling them "oh, sorry there was a mistake in your contract" - so you don't get .... full sector pay, or whatever.
BUT i will think long-term!
....... keep talking and researching - but make sure its to someone WHO ACTAULLY WORKS for Ryanair and not a bad-mouthing outsider.
maverick777 I know that nothing will stop you. But I think you should be a bit more thoughtful and careful about what you are becoming involved in. Ryanair are not doing this as a favour to low-time pilots. Low time pilots are, for Ryanair, like Latvian cabin crew: easily manipulated, susceptable to propaganda and even grateful for the system of exploitation into which they enter. Above all, they are cheap and can be kept cheap by telling them "oh, sorry there was a mistake in your contract" - so you don't get .... full sector pay, or whatever.