Ryanair
Join Date: Apr 1999
Location: location
Posts: 87
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
Flew with a fellow last night who finished line training two weeks ago. He has flown on only three days since, only has a training contract and is being told to transfer to a contracting position based in Dublin. He has questioned several office staff to establish his T & Cs and they each conflict with the other!
Good luck with whatever you choose to do.
Good luck with whatever you choose to do.
Join Date: Dec 2006
Location: london
Posts: 29
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
ryanair
i have many questions about ryanair
1. is ryan a good airline to fly for i have read in the nespapers(the times) that last year one of the pilots made a mistake and landed in military runway and that the plane was descending to fast and had to abort their landing.
it seems there are a bunch of novices there and ryan need to review thier pilots
2. i also saw a tv programme about ryan last year on channel 4 regarding their cabin crew was poorly trained and were working long shifts without any rest does this also affect the pilots? a child had vomiited on the seat and the cabin crew did not clean it surley the captain should have been alerted(this is not leading by example)
3.on their website it says that u can be a captain within 5 years earning up to £100000 is this true or just a catch
1. is ryan a good airline to fly for i have read in the nespapers(the times) that last year one of the pilots made a mistake and landed in military runway and that the plane was descending to fast and had to abort their landing.
it seems there are a bunch of novices there and ryan need to review thier pilots
2. i also saw a tv programme about ryan last year on channel 4 regarding their cabin crew was poorly trained and were working long shifts without any rest does this also affect the pilots? a child had vomiited on the seat and the cabin crew did not clean it surley the captain should have been alerted(this is not leading by example)
3.on their website it says that u can be a captain within 5 years earning up to £100000 is this true or just a catch
Join Date: Jan 2005
Location: Cloud Cookoo Land
Posts: 1,270
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
Hello Zuluflyer
1. Being a rumour network I can confirm that my Dad's uncle's granny's next door neighbours work mate who knows someone who works for Ryanair said that the landing at the military field was no mistake, but infact an instruction from Operations to check out the airfield for suitability in order to further expand the airline's network. Granted, the aircraft was slightly fast on it's initial approach, however the Captain was in desperate need of the WC and did not have a spare £1 coin which is now required to gain access to the wash rooms on all Ryanair flights.
2. An unreliable source once told me that Ryanair's pilots' wages are docked for any rest or leave period taken. A spokesperson who never worked for the airline or knew anything about the low fares giants once stated, 'Ryanair's aircraft fly 24 hours a day, 7 days a week - it would be careless to let our pilot's do anything less!' 'We do not see crew rest periods as a vital requirement in our operating proceedures, however as a caring employer we are happy to offer these to our staff at a small fee.'
Also, to clear up the vomit issue, my Auntie's mother's cat spouted that the Captain had infact led by example and infact asked the cabin crew to clean it up. Unfortunately this was not performed as none of the cabin crew members had a spare £1 coin to gain access to the washrooms or a further £1 coin needed to run the hot water tap and soap dispenser onboard the aircraft.
3. As you suggest, I would imagine that if all their pilot's are novices, I would think that with the right attitude and frame of mind, a 'novice' Ryanair pilot could be made Captain in 5 minutes, rather than 5 years. The only thing that I am really not sure about is the £100,000 salary. Everything else is fact here, obviously! I hope this clears up your curiosity on the issue. All the very best of luck now. Goodbye.
1. Being a rumour network I can confirm that my Dad's uncle's granny's next door neighbours work mate who knows someone who works for Ryanair said that the landing at the military field was no mistake, but infact an instruction from Operations to check out the airfield for suitability in order to further expand the airline's network. Granted, the aircraft was slightly fast on it's initial approach, however the Captain was in desperate need of the WC and did not have a spare £1 coin which is now required to gain access to the wash rooms on all Ryanair flights.
2. An unreliable source once told me that Ryanair's pilots' wages are docked for any rest or leave period taken. A spokesperson who never worked for the airline or knew anything about the low fares giants once stated, 'Ryanair's aircraft fly 24 hours a day, 7 days a week - it would be careless to let our pilot's do anything less!' 'We do not see crew rest periods as a vital requirement in our operating proceedures, however as a caring employer we are happy to offer these to our staff at a small fee.'
Also, to clear up the vomit issue, my Auntie's mother's cat spouted that the Captain had infact led by example and infact asked the cabin crew to clean it up. Unfortunately this was not performed as none of the cabin crew members had a spare £1 coin to gain access to the washrooms or a further £1 coin needed to run the hot water tap and soap dispenser onboard the aircraft.
3. As you suggest, I would imagine that if all their pilot's are novices, I would think that with the right attitude and frame of mind, a 'novice' Ryanair pilot could be made Captain in 5 minutes, rather than 5 years. The only thing that I am really not sure about is the £100,000 salary. Everything else is fact here, obviously! I hope this clears up your curiosity on the issue. All the very best of luck now. Goodbye.
Join Date: Mar 2007
Location: Cambridgeshire
Age: 38
Posts: 39
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
confused about TR and ryanair
heres my understanding,
Ryanair tell a pilot to get his TR and say they will give him a job when he gets it. He finishes his TR and they take him on but dont pay him for 7 months?? It just cant be legal and i dont see how this can happen no matter how extensive their beurocracy department in HR is! So that means they have pilots flying for free for them, the pilot leaves out of anger from no pay, then Ryanair do it again??! How can this be?
Alos, can anyone possible shed some light on why training schools require a fee for assessing you - the potential student - who is going to give them a big fat cheque of £40-70,000 if you get in?
Ryanair tell a pilot to get his TR and say they will give him a job when he gets it. He finishes his TR and they take him on but dont pay him for 7 months?? It just cant be legal and i dont see how this can happen no matter how extensive their beurocracy department in HR is! So that means they have pilots flying for free for them, the pilot leaves out of anger from no pay, then Ryanair do it again??! How can this be?
Alos, can anyone possible shed some light on why training schools require a fee for assessing you - the potential student - who is going to give them a big fat cheque of £40-70,000 if you get in?
Join Date: Mar 2007
Location: The Sky
Posts: 144
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
It wasnt a ryanair aircraft which touchdown at the military airstrip in Londonderry, it was another Irish airline which had been chartered by ryanair to fullfill the flight. Therefore the pilots mistake in no way reflects ryanairs training as he was not a ryanair pilot.
Join Date: Nov 2005
Location: UK
Posts: 1,114
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
Fray - its all about demand and supply.
As for the interview processes....Well for many schools its a great marketing ploy. Make it seem hard to get into the school and you can charge a premium for the pleasure.
The sad reality is that this industry is full of people with broken dreams who are never going to make it as a commercial pilot for a variety of reasons. Lack of acumen being one, no personality, poor social skills, no contacts in the industry to drop the CV onto the right desk etc etc..... Its a shame but that is the harsh reality that FTO's are only out to make a buck at your expense.
If your worried that you won't make the chop on the schools assessments then consider very carefully if your cut out for the job. If you are 100% sure then follow the modular path instead and save yourself a small fortune along the way. Doing the GAPAN assessment might be worthwhile.
As for the interview processes....Well for many schools its a great marketing ploy. Make it seem hard to get into the school and you can charge a premium for the pleasure.
The sad reality is that this industry is full of people with broken dreams who are never going to make it as a commercial pilot for a variety of reasons. Lack of acumen being one, no personality, poor social skills, no contacts in the industry to drop the CV onto the right desk etc etc..... Its a shame but that is the harsh reality that FTO's are only out to make a buck at your expense.
If your worried that you won't make the chop on the schools assessments then consider very carefully if your cut out for the job. If you are 100% sure then follow the modular path instead and save yourself a small fortune along the way. Doing the GAPAN assessment might be worthwhile.
Join Date: Aug 2004
Location: Various
Posts: 217
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
He finishes his TR and they take him on but dont pay him for 7 months?? It just cant be legal and i dont see how this can happen no matter how extensive their beurocracy department in HR is!
So that means they have pilots flying for free for them, the pilot leaves out of anger from no pay, then Ryanair do it again??! How can this be?
Just because it is "off the wall" behaviour does not mean that it does not take place.
Join Date: Jan 2003
Location: Emirates Living - The Meadows
Age: 79
Posts: 405
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
Oh for god's sake
Aloue did FR do something to you or what?
I have seen so many of your posts and the theme is so terribly similar that it appears that this is yet again you taking an opportunity to have a go at us.
A lot of the people who read this forum do not know any better than to take your lies as truth.
I am not really going to dignify your post with deabte as I have an early report but I had to warn others to take everything you say with a larege pinch of salt.
What utter tosh. You get a contract from SAS or CAE for you TR then on succesful completion of your TR you get returned to UK to do your base trg. You then start getting paid by FR to do your line trg as per the line trg contract
On day 1 with FR they gave me a training contract for line trg from FR no intermediaries were mentioned and have been mentioned at any point since my base check or in my line trg. They pay comes from Ryanair and on completion of base trg u can take one of 2 routes.
Route 1 FR contract, Route 2 Brookfield contract. There are pros and cons to each but this is for terms and endearment if you want to start a new thread I am sure the numerous other FR pilots who look in on this forum from time to time will answer any pay and allowances questions freely there. I am sure that Inveritas or Jinkster can oblige.
To say that nothing has Ryanair written on it is rubbish we all got contracts straight away, none of us have been lied to and everyone has gotten exactly what they were told they were going to get at the allocated time. So why do you insist on making this stuff up.
As for real FR pilots who alledgedly told you different I will believe you when you prove to me they work for Ryanair. You can prove this by PMing me their crewcode and when you do this I will verify to the rest of the forum that they actually exist and agree with what you say.
Somehow I expect that I will never hear from you though.
I end this by saying no one says the pay is brilliant but it is as shown on ppjn pretty much to the penny. So wind your neck in and make your vendetta against FR based on something true, there is plenty of real issues to pick on.
Gotta go work.
I have seen so many of your posts and the theme is so terribly similar that it appears that this is yet again you taking an opportunity to have a go at us.
A lot of the people who read this forum do not know any better than to take your lies as truth.
I am not really going to dignify your post with deabte as I have an early report but I had to warn others to take everything you say with a larege pinch of salt.
It can be so because there is an expectation of a job, caused by applying to Ryanair and all of the talk being about Ryanair. However, the training contract is NOT with Ryanair. There is NO talk about Ryanair salary or conditions and NEVER, NEVER is there a document with "Ryanair" written on it with a promise, or salary figures. There is no contract with Ryanair at the beginning. It is even possible that this will be followed up by a "Ryanair Training Contract", which is a means by which - having paid for your TR and contributed to the profits of Ryanair - you can be further "bonded" to a company which STILL has not told you if you have a job, or how and when you will be paid. Afterwards, those who realise that things are not good (having met some real FR pilots in the interim) find themselves without any legal entitlements. Remember that, after all is said and done, you got what you signed for, which is a TR.
What utter tosh. You get a contract from SAS or CAE for you TR then on succesful completion of your TR you get returned to UK to do your base trg. You then start getting paid by FR to do your line trg as per the line trg contract
On day 1 with FR they gave me a training contract for line trg from FR no intermediaries were mentioned and have been mentioned at any point since my base check or in my line trg. They pay comes from Ryanair and on completion of base trg u can take one of 2 routes.
Route 1 FR contract, Route 2 Brookfield contract. There are pros and cons to each but this is for terms and endearment if you want to start a new thread I am sure the numerous other FR pilots who look in on this forum from time to time will answer any pay and allowances questions freely there. I am sure that Inveritas or Jinkster can oblige.
To say that nothing has Ryanair written on it is rubbish we all got contracts straight away, none of us have been lied to and everyone has gotten exactly what they were told they were going to get at the allocated time. So why do you insist on making this stuff up.
As for real FR pilots who alledgedly told you different I will believe you when you prove to me they work for Ryanair. You can prove this by PMing me their crewcode and when you do this I will verify to the rest of the forum that they actually exist and agree with what you say.
Somehow I expect that I will never hear from you though.
I end this by saying no one says the pay is brilliant but it is as shown on ppjn pretty much to the penny. So wind your neck in and make your vendetta against FR based on something true, there is plenty of real issues to pick on.
Gotta go work.
Last edited by Vortex Thing; 17th Mar 2007 at 03:55. Reason: typos
Join Date: Sep 2004
Location: Here there and everywhere
Posts: 122
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
Vortex Thing I have regularly read your posts and those of Aloue. I consider his post to be a more honest reflection of the life of S/Os in FR than yours. As far as I am concerned a close reading of your post actually confirms much of what Aloue has to say.
With respect you either are a management stooge or you manage to work for Ryanair without hearing about the experiences of many new S/Os. One way or another this seems to me to say more about you that about Aloue.
I have one request only of you Vortex Thing. If you can provide it, I will certainly be shut up. Can you tell me, and other readers here, where to find a copy of the Terms and Conditions which will apply to a pilot joining Ryanair as a S/O? (A copy of the basic terms would be of interest to many readers here).
With respect you either are a management stooge or you manage to work for Ryanair without hearing about the experiences of many new S/Os. One way or another this seems to me to say more about you that about Aloue.
I have one request only of you Vortex Thing. If you can provide it, I will certainly be shut up. Can you tell me, and other readers here, where to find a copy of the Terms and Conditions which will apply to a pilot joining Ryanair as a S/O? (A copy of the basic terms would be of interest to many readers here).
Join Date: Apr 2005
Location: Europe
Posts: 64
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
What utter tosh. You get a contract from SAS or CAE for you TR then on succesful completion of your TR you get returned to UK to do your base trg. You then start getting paid by FR to do your line trg as per the line trg contract
Indeed, why do you need so many contracts to cover such a short period? Most of us only sign one!!
Join Date: Nov 2005
Location: On the Camel's back
Posts: 395
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
I second Delwy. Aloue proves consistently accurate with his assessments of the ryanair situation. Vortex Thing is either mad, talks to none of his colleagues or is a stooge. The temptation amongst the wannabes or the desperate is to believe only good about ryanair and to ignore the reality. I presume this makes it easier to justify embarking down a road that has proven, and will continue to prove, ruinous and suicidal to both the careers of themselves and, sadly, everyone else in the industry. The reasons why this so have been well documented and I won't bother repeating them here.
I will say it again however, as it has been said so many times before. If you sign away all your dignity and self-worth to ryanair, where exactly where will you draw the line? At the moment there are some people in ryanair who may NOT draw the line at accepting half-pay for command. Where will YOU draw the line? I guarantee you, once you have inevitably been f**ked over by FR, that line will be drawn a lot lower than you thought you would draw it. At that time you will realise, like so many who have gone before, that your dream is in tatters, your career in ruins and your finances are destroyed. It will be worse in the future too. You will try and warn the next generation of wannabes but they won't listen, just like you didn't.
Moving on from ryanair won't help. The ryanair way will follow you, the cancer is spreading and the spread will accelerate as fr get bigger - a cancer you are actively helping by joining ryanair.
Finally, I expect the wannabes will tell me to b*gger off out of the job and let them in if I feel so negatively. Well, I'll tell you what, in the unlikely event of REPA failing, and in that case, once ryanair, in partnership with their wannabe allies, have finished destroying the profession, you can have my job, and I suspect that of many others. I'll go off and earn more driving for Dublin Bus, pension included, a strong union and no BS.
In the meantime, join REPA and BALPA/IALPA,, defeat ryanair and make the profession great again. The consequences of failure are unimaginable.
I will say it again however, as it has been said so many times before. If you sign away all your dignity and self-worth to ryanair, where exactly where will you draw the line? At the moment there are some people in ryanair who may NOT draw the line at accepting half-pay for command. Where will YOU draw the line? I guarantee you, once you have inevitably been f**ked over by FR, that line will be drawn a lot lower than you thought you would draw it. At that time you will realise, like so many who have gone before, that your dream is in tatters, your career in ruins and your finances are destroyed. It will be worse in the future too. You will try and warn the next generation of wannabes but they won't listen, just like you didn't.
Moving on from ryanair won't help. The ryanair way will follow you, the cancer is spreading and the spread will accelerate as fr get bigger - a cancer you are actively helping by joining ryanair.
Finally, I expect the wannabes will tell me to b*gger off out of the job and let them in if I feel so negatively. Well, I'll tell you what, in the unlikely event of REPA failing, and in that case, once ryanair, in partnership with their wannabe allies, have finished destroying the profession, you can have my job, and I suspect that of many others. I'll go off and earn more driving for Dublin Bus, pension included, a strong union and no BS.
In the meantime, join REPA and BALPA/IALPA,, defeat ryanair and make the profession great again. The consequences of failure are unimaginable.
Join Date: Aug 2006
Location: London
Age: 56
Posts: 25
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
Ryan Air
Not sure what the problem is Ryan Air is one of the best payers compared with other airlines and you get quick up grade to command, there are not many jobs where you work 5 on 4 off. All yous pilot complaining should form a union and you might work 5 on 10 off and we will go bankrupt and wont have to work at all!
Join Date: Nov 2005
Location: On the Camel's back
Posts: 395
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
Ryan Air is one of the best payers compared with other airlines
Who are you comparing to exactly? Ryanair captains get paid less than FO's in, and this is just a small list, Aer Lingus, BA, KLM, Air France, Lufthansa, Iberia, TFly, Virgin, Emirates, Southwest etc etc. The new contract on offer for upgrades would pay less than Easy FO's also. The captains in every airline mentioned here earn substantially more money than ryanair skippers, and in a lot of cases, their FO's are not just outearning fr captains, but doing so by a large margin.As for ryanair FO's, they are now the lowest paid jet FO's in Europe. They also earn less than most turboprop FO's. Since when is €1,000 per month good pay?
In case you genuinely think fr pay well, having seen their ads maybe, I can tell you that the figures contained therein are works of utter fiction and have no relationship whatsoever to reality.
there are not many jobs where you work 5 on 4 off
we will go bankrupt
Join Date: Dec 1997
Location: Suffolk UK
Posts: 4,927
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
Gentlemen, this argument has been done to death here and elsewhere and, without definitive answers to wannabes' questions, is of little or no use to those inexperienced pilots considering who they might like to work for.
Can those who are currently employed by Ryanair answer the following questions:
1. How much does the type rating & line training currently cost?
2. Is the wannabe employed during training? If so, who by?
3. What salary and/or allowances are payable to the wannabe during the training phase?
4. At what point does the wannabe become employed by Ryanair or Brookfields?
5. What is the intial rate of pay, and what steps does that salary take in the first three years? How has this changed over the past few years?
6. What are the arrangements for non-flying periodic training (SEP, simulator etc)?
7. What are the details of the roster arrangements? How do they relate to easyJet (for example)?
8. What arrangements are there to protect the pilot in case of long term sickness, loss of licence, or retirement (ie pension)?
9. What other benefits are paid or applied to the contract?
10. What are the prospects for union representation within the company?
Scrogs
Can those who are currently employed by Ryanair answer the following questions:
1. How much does the type rating & line training currently cost?
2. Is the wannabe employed during training? If so, who by?
3. What salary and/or allowances are payable to the wannabe during the training phase?
4. At what point does the wannabe become employed by Ryanair or Brookfields?
5. What is the intial rate of pay, and what steps does that salary take in the first three years? How has this changed over the past few years?
6. What are the arrangements for non-flying periodic training (SEP, simulator etc)?
7. What are the details of the roster arrangements? How do they relate to easyJet (for example)?
8. What arrangements are there to protect the pilot in case of long term sickness, loss of licence, or retirement (ie pension)?
9. What other benefits are paid or applied to the contract?
10. What are the prospects for union representation within the company?
Scrogs
Join Date: May 2004
Location: UK
Posts: 14
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
1. The cost of the typerating comes in at just under £18.500, there are no costs for line training.
As a note if you are considering this route, budget for aprrox 2 months accomadation, food and travel to either Holland or Sweden. I spent around £2500 on this.
2. The new SO will be employed under a Ryanair training contract throughout his line training.
3. You will earn approx £700 per month under this contract. There are no allowances.
4. At the moment the current word is that all new SO's will be offered a Brookfield contract after his line check.
5. This would give an intial pay of 40.50 euros per hour
6. Your recurrent sim training will be scheduled on "days off"
7. The roster is 5 on 4 off, published every Friday, with 1 month in advance.
8. Nil from the company (as an SO anyway) you have to contribute to your, if any scheme.
9. ... thats a difficult one, the only one I can think off is that you can travel in your unifrom for free
10. REPA continues to grow, its not recognised in all bases, but does offer some support.
Scroggs, anybody else who is reading this I hope this gives you an insight into what to excpect as a new "wanabee".
As a note if you are considering this route, budget for aprrox 2 months accomadation, food and travel to either Holland or Sweden. I spent around £2500 on this.
2. The new SO will be employed under a Ryanair training contract throughout his line training.
3. You will earn approx £700 per month under this contract. There are no allowances.
4. At the moment the current word is that all new SO's will be offered a Brookfield contract after his line check.
5. This would give an intial pay of 40.50 euros per hour
6. Your recurrent sim training will be scheduled on "days off"
7. The roster is 5 on 4 off, published every Friday, with 1 month in advance.
8. Nil from the company (as an SO anyway) you have to contribute to your, if any scheme.
9. ... thats a difficult one, the only one I can think off is that you can travel in your unifrom for free
10. REPA continues to grow, its not recognised in all bases, but does offer some support.
Scroggs, anybody else who is reading this I hope this gives you an insight into what to excpect as a new "wanabee".
Join Date: Jan 2006
Location: Liverpool
Posts: 31
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
Ryanair, best route in...
Hi,
Before I embark on my ATPL ground school in June I was wondering if anyone in the know, knows if Ryanair has any preference where prospective employees complete their ATPL, CPL, MEP, MCC?
Want to stand the best possible chance of appealing to the company.
Any help or comments would be greatly appreciated.
Thanks
John
Before I embark on my ATPL ground school in June I was wondering if anyone in the know, knows if Ryanair has any preference where prospective employees complete their ATPL, CPL, MEP, MCC?
Want to stand the best possible chance of appealing to the company.
Any help or comments would be greatly appreciated.
Thanks
John