British Airways vs. BASSA (current Airline Staff Only)
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I could not be bothered if he has more executive experience than Barak Obama. The latter has far more responsibility than Willie Walsh yet earns less.
You don't become President of the US for the money..... that happens after you leave office as St. Tony has ably demonstrated.
When T5 was opened and became a huge fiasco, people were craving for Willie Walsh's resignation but he still remained in his position.
........very heroic of him to decline two bonuses and volunteer to work for free for a month, as he did last year, but I gather it is easy when you earn almost £800.000 a year.
How can they negotiate with any serious intent if they're not prepared to face facts?
SOSR? This is also something which has been discussed for a very long time, and according to some, something that was going to happen earlier this month. How many crew are they going to dismiss? Over 5000?
What makes you think WW is prepared to keep dragging this out? He may well do due the increasing coverage of flights by VCC and realists - but when the moment is right I suspect SOSR will be deployed.
If SOSR is deployed I would expect BASSA to be receiving hundreds of letters regarding their woefully inadequate performance during this whole debacle.
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The thinking is so muddled that its no surprise that BASSA has no credibility. I thought the MTP was to protect the crew from being left at home on basic only? Now you're worried about working too hard?
The top-up payment means the more you work, the more you get paid as the allowances are being kept. Some crew were against the MTP because it was the same amount, depending on fleet, for every crew member. It never would have mattered if you had done only early flights, only LR, non-LR or long days, the money would have been the same.
A little basic research wouldnt go amiss here. The pilots didnt get it incorporated allowances into basic it just became a flat rate with SOME being put in the basic pot.
If incorporating it into basic is now so vital can I ask why BASSA havent been campaigning for all box payments etc to be incorporated for years? Or is it more likely the case that they are just coming up with spurious scare stories to get a no vote?
If incorporating it into basic is now so vital can I ask why BASSA havent been campaigning for all box payments etc to be incorporated for years? Or is it more likely the case that they are just coming up with spurious scare stories to get a no vote?
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Virgin Atlantic pay allowances to their crew downroute. They are not included in CAA's figures as ours are
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Todays BASSA update
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MONDAY’S BRANCH CANCELLED
Jun 29th, 2010 by admin
We are having to cancel next Monday’s branch meeting at Kempton because BA will not de-roster the relevant reps. We were hoping to be able to update you on BA’s latest offer and also ask you how you wanted to be consulted on it. This cannot now happen as and as a consequence we will be sending you all, via the post, quite a bit of paperwork, which will bring you all up to date. You will then have the opportunity - via the ERBS - to cast a postal vote on whether you wish the ballot for industrial action to proceed or, alternatively, accept the deal.
All this is very long-winded, we accept but the way BA have presented the deal (trying to lure in non-union members etc) is a sinister development which leaves us with no choice so as to be 100% transparent and to make sure you all are given a choice. Things will become clearer and more fully explained in the paperwork.
BA have made everything incredibly awkward giving no BASSA rep de-rostering facilities since March - therefore work has had to be done either in our own time or even when sick. To make matters even more awkward BA are now charging reps who have been sick with misuse of the sickness policy which means as things stand the only two reps who could turn up to Monday’s meeting without fear of reprisal are Duncan - who has been sacked and therefore out of BA’s bullying clutches - and Mark Everard who is suspended.
We hope you appreciate all this is out of our hands, if BA were really now serious about peace you would think they would facilitate de-rostering with the minimum of fuss but it seems they are stuck in “smash the union” mode whatever the meeting. Even with yesterday’s appointment with Tony Woodley BA refused to grant the reps time off.
We have always said this was never going to be a sprint but a marathon and we all appreciate you must be fed up and anxious to bring this dispute to a proper conclusion. All we can say is you are not alone and we hear there is a vast majority in Waterside who also privately think enough is enough. Trouble is no one will stand up and say so - apart from your Union of course. Hang on in there, from your pain there can be gain.
Heaven help us, BA expect reps to turn up and fly for their salaries instead of being paid to organise strike action. And they can't even throw a sickie any more? Just poor old sacked Duncan and the Porn King available for rabble rousing duties!
MONDAY’S BRANCH CANCELLED
Jun 29th, 2010 by admin
We are having to cancel next Monday’s branch meeting at Kempton because BA will not de-roster the relevant reps. We were hoping to be able to update you on BA’s latest offer and also ask you how you wanted to be consulted on it. This cannot now happen as and as a consequence we will be sending you all, via the post, quite a bit of paperwork, which will bring you all up to date. You will then have the opportunity - via the ERBS - to cast a postal vote on whether you wish the ballot for industrial action to proceed or, alternatively, accept the deal.All this is very long-winded, we accept but the way BA have presented the deal (trying to lure in non-union members etc) is a sinister development which leaves us with no choice so as to be 100% transparent and to make sure you all are given a choice. Things will become clearer and more fully explained in the paperwork.
BA have made everything incredibly awkward giving no BASSA rep de-rostering facilities since March - therefore work has had to be done either in our own time or even when sick. To make matters even more awkward BA are now charging reps who have been sick with misuse of the sickness policy which means as things stand the only two reps who could turn up to Monday’s meeting without fear of reprisal are Duncan - who has been sacked and therefore out of BA’s bullying clutches - and Mark Everard who is suspended.
We hope you appreciate all this is out of our hands, if BA were really now serious about peace you would think they would facilitate de-rostering with the minimum of fuss but it seems they are stuck in “smash the union” mode whatever the meeting. Even with yesterday’s appointment with Tony Woodley BA refused to grant the reps time off.
We have always said this was never going to be a sprint but a marathon and we all appreciate you must be fed up and anxious to bring this dispute to a proper conclusion. All we can say is you are not alone and we hear there is a vast majority in Waterside who also privately think enough is enough. Trouble is no one will stand up and say so - apart from your Union of course. Hang on in there, from your pain there can be gain.
Heaven help us, BA expect reps to turn up and fly for their salaries instead of being paid to organise strike action. And they can't even throw a sickie any more? Just poor old sacked Duncan and the Porn King available for rabble rousing duties!
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Read what I wrote.
The top-up payment means the more you work, the more you get paid as the allowances are being kept. Some crew were against the MTP because it was the same amount, depending on fleet, for every crew member. It never would have mattered if you had done only early flights, only LR, non-LR or long days, the money would have been the same.
The top-up payment means the more you work, the more you get paid as the allowances are being kept. Some crew were against the MTP because it was the same amount, depending on fleet, for every crew member. It never would have mattered if you had done only early flights, only LR, non-LR or long days, the money would have been the same.
Isnt that the same problem?
Can you see why we're confused?
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All we can say is you are not alone and we hear there is a vast majority in Waterside who also privately think enough is enough.
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All we can say is you are not alone and we hear there is a vast majority in Waterside who also privately think enough is enough. Trouble is no one will stand up and say so - apart from your Union of course. Hang on in there, from your pain there can be gain.
And AVA..despite your views going against the grain as it were, it's great that you are here in order for us to fathom your mindset.
MissM blessed us with her presence recently, but has'nt posted for a while.
Your arguments and the tone you present them in are remarkably similar to MissM's.
So, great that you are here.
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Because it was merely a comparison about Willie Walsh and his salary. He has been running to the media intensively and telling everyone of our salaries. Did he become CEO of BA for the sake of the money or for some other reason? He only gave up his bonus because he HAD to. I don't think for a second he had any interest in the company when refusing it. If he had accepted the bonus he would have had to dealt with furious staff from many different departments. Criticizing something or someone doesn't necessary mean that you are jealous. I don't need an MBA and I don't want to be part of management. I came straight to BA from school and I am one of the youngest pursers on WW. I think I have done well and this is what I am trying to protect as opposed to allowing a CEO trying to destroy everything.
I don't know how many VCC they have trained or if courses are still running. Why do I think that is? They are thinking shortsightedly. No VCC will never receive any appreciation from BA for backing them. I should expect further cuts in the future.
Willie Walsh is only dragging this out because he is convinced that sooner or later everyone will return to work because we can't afford to strike for an eternity. This is achievable by the assistance of VCC and non-striking crew members.
Out of interest, when is he going to issue SOSR?
I don't know how many VCC they have trained or if courses are still running. Why do I think that is? They are thinking shortsightedly. No VCC will never receive any appreciation from BA for backing them. I should expect further cuts in the future.
Willie Walsh is only dragging this out because he is convinced that sooner or later everyone will return to work because we can't afford to strike for an eternity. This is achievable by the assistance of VCC and non-striking crew members.
Out of interest, when is he going to issue SOSR?
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And AVA..despite your views going against the grain as it were, it's great that you are here in order for us to fathom your mindset.
MissM blessed us with her presence a while ago, but has'nt posted for a while.
Your arguments and the tone you present them in are remarkably similar to MissM's.
MissM blessed us with her presence a while ago, but has'nt posted for a while.
Your arguments and the tone you present them in are remarkably similar to MissM's.
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Why do I think that is? They are thinking shortsightedly. No VCC will never receive any appreciation from BA for backing them. I should expect further cuts in the future.
VCC are'nt in it to be 'appreciated'.
As for expecting further cuts in the future...Well, who has and who has'nt in the past? Easy one that eh?
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Odd though how the Mr Wonderful to deal with Kieth Williams took his bonus.
Only he and Willie Walsh were granted bonuses by the board.
If you are so jealous of his position then campaign for the job yourself. You might find it a little difficult to find as the CEO is head hunted by far cleverer people than on the BASSA board. Also putting in the hours that the CEO does from Joburg might be a little difficult.
Williw Walsh answers to the board and through the board to the shareholders and investors. Neither of which are particularly enamoured with BASSA at the moment and have given Willie Walsh their full support including £600 million of contingency funding. Oddly enough they consider that he is worth what he gets paid and his 'guarantees' for future employment only run for 12 months.
Perhaps, instead of attacking the CEO, you should look a little closer at the inadequacies of your own Union representation who haven't had a local election for quite some time now. Fresh blood needed on the BASSA board maybe?
What experience of the 'real world' outside of BA do you have then? I can tell you that BA is a cosseted environment to work in and, especially for the Cabin Crew, hasn't changed much since privatisation. The real world is nasty, unpredictable and, many times, unfair. Just ask some of your ex colleagues, from various companies that have gone bust, if they would take IA over 1 less crew member? BA could have made thousands compulsory redundant but they didn't. How do BASSA pay them back? Call IA, pathetic.
Only he and Willie Walsh were granted bonuses by the board.
If you are so jealous of his position then campaign for the job yourself. You might find it a little difficult to find as the CEO is head hunted by far cleverer people than on the BASSA board. Also putting in the hours that the CEO does from Joburg might be a little difficult.
Williw Walsh answers to the board and through the board to the shareholders and investors. Neither of which are particularly enamoured with BASSA at the moment and have given Willie Walsh their full support including £600 million of contingency funding. Oddly enough they consider that he is worth what he gets paid and his 'guarantees' for future employment only run for 12 months.
Perhaps, instead of attacking the CEO, you should look a little closer at the inadequacies of your own Union representation who haven't had a local election for quite some time now. Fresh blood needed on the BASSA board maybe?
I came straight to BA from school and I am one of the youngest pursers on WW.
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fyi VCC courses are still running and I have released 3 further staff today to commence training from mid July - and that's only UK staff, I also have requests from a number of my overseas staff to also train
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VCC courses
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I personally know of 6 others that started courses on Monday, and 2 more that will be starting in mid July.
fyi VCC courses are still running and I have released 3 further staff today to commence training from mid July - and that's only UK staff, I also have requests from a number of my overseas staff to also train
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Our very own CEO is paid more than the CEO of Air France-KLM and almost £200.000 more than the CEO of Ryanair. I could not be bothered if he has more executive experience than Barak Obama. The latter has far more responsibility than Willie Walsh yet earns less.
IMHO, that is far more immediate and much more important than wasting time on the salaries of Willie Walsh, Barak Obama or anyone else on the face of this planet.
As for Ryanair - well it might offer you a job when it opens an operation in southern Africa.
One thing is sure: you will never earn an airline salary like the one you are getting right now.
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BA have made everything incredibly awkward giving no BASSA rep de-rostering facilities since March - therefore work has had to be done either in our own time or even when sick. To make matters even more awkward BA are now charging reps who have been sick with misuse of the sickness policy which means as things stand the only two reps who could turn up to Monday’s meeting without fear of reprisal are Duncan - who has been sacked and therefore out of BA’s bullying clutches - and Mark Everard who is suspended.
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without fear of reprisal are Duncan - who has been sacked and therefore out of BA’s bullying clutches
What fine representation BASSA have for their membership.
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I am not jealous of Willie Walsh or any other member of our management. They have been constantly comparing, and exaggerating, our salaries to other LCC's throughout this dispute with the only purpose to make us appear us overpaid belladonnas. Why am I interested in other people's incomes? Because BA have been running to the press with the purpose of trying to turn everyone against us. Why is it not allowed to do the other way around? Why should Willie Walsh, who is destroying our brand, be paid so much?
I am trying to protect my job and my income. I have seen the 'Cabin Crew Replacement' project which was presented last year. Many of us know exactly what our management is planning. Nobody needs to say that I would never get paid the same amount of money at any other airline. I have worked for this company for over 17 years. I have climbed the career latter. I think I, and many others, deserve a bit of respect from our current management. We deserve where we are today after a long time of loyalty.
I am trying to protect my job and my income. I have seen the 'Cabin Crew Replacement' project which was presented last year. Many of us know exactly what our management is planning. Nobody needs to say that I would never get paid the same amount of money at any other airline. I have worked for this company for over 17 years. I have climbed the career latter. I think I, and many others, deserve a bit of respect from our current management. We deserve where we are today after a long time of loyalty.
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Facilities Agreement
In mid March this year, I recall that there was a small note that BA had given BASSA 12 weeks notice that it was terminating a facilities agreement which fell due on June 18th.
By "facilities agreement", I take this to mean office space in T5 for BASSA but did this include de-rostering for reps to conduct union business?
Any thoughts or perhaps concrete information?
By "facilities agreement", I take this to mean office space in T5 for BASSA but did this include de-rostering for reps to conduct union business?
Any thoughts or perhaps concrete information?
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What experience of the 'real world' outside of BA do you have then? I can tell you that BA is a cosseted environment to work in and, especially for the Cabin Crew, hasn't changed much since privatisation. The real world is nasty, unpredictable and, many times, unfair. Just ask some of your ex colleagues, from various companies that have gone bust, if they would take IA over 1 less crew member? BA could have made thousands compulsory redundant but they didn't. How do BASSA pay them back? Call IA, pathetic.