British Airways vs. BASSA (Airline Staff Only)

[Hotel Mode]

BA has stated it will fly 80% of LH and 60% of SH..that makes a rough 70% estimate with the 2 combined. Why is it hardly 55% ?? I trust the information on this site and I most definetely remember a post where somebody stated" BA AS A PLC CAN'T LIE BY LAW ABOUT THE NUMBERS".
Anybody has some suggestions?

Doesn't 59.7+5.1 = 64.8%?

And given that 2/3rds of LHR departures are short haul doesnt that make sense?

And theres 268 scheduled departures today not 256. so the actual percentage is 66.5% operating or 73% if you include LGW (which is still BA even if you dont wish to acknowledge it).

If this strike can only keep the least profitable 1/3 of LHR flights (or 1/4 overall) what really are you hoping to gain? The BASSA forum figures show a story only the blind could fail to see. You started these second strikes with approx 130 flights per day cancelled, its now 1/3 less than that. In the March set it was more like 170 flights be day, thats nearly halved. Going well isnt it.

[TorC]

Also, the 80%/60% figs apply to the entire 5 days of strikes, not each individual day. Some routes have varying numbers of flights each day, less on some days, more on other days.

[ns68]

And given that 2/3rds of LHR departures are short haul doesnt that make sense?

it doesn't matter ..the fact that 2/3 are shorthaul still doesn't make the 70%claim 80% LH 60%.

Sorry I wasn't including the wetlease aircraft because they are not crewed by BA and I was keeping them out of the ratio-(hence the 59% of BA flights)Not intentionally,but just because the claim of 70% of flights going is attributed to the numbers of cabin crew going into work. The wet lease operation is nothing to do with it. But if you prefer,let's include them.

come on,you must give it that it is a big difference..They keep on promoting the 100% operation sooner or later..BA FLIGHTS only operating 59%,with Volonteers/pilots. Honestly,am happy that BA can keep up this facade..it is good because our passenger might not lose all the confidence,but amongst us it would be better to know the real figures.

[ranger07]

They all came back and did what was planned on their roster... Simple as that...Pure rudeness to customers, no one spoke to pilots... Crm... well non existent.

And these individuals will return to BA and are part of our future?
I'm going to be just as worried if and when there is an agreement.

[Hotel Mode]

Sorry I wasn't including the wetlease aircraft because they are not crewed by BA and I was keeping them out of the ratio-(hence the 55% of BA flights)

I'm sorry to keep correcting your maths but the percentage of BA OPERATED flights is 59.7% (actually higher because the figures are wrong in the first place). The wet leases are additional.

it doesn't matter ..the fact that 2/3 are shorthaul still doesn't make the 70%claim 80% LH 60%.

There was no 70% claim it was 60% short haul and 80% long haul.

Say an airline operates 30 daily flights 10 long haul and 20 short haul. If operating 60% short haul they fly 12/20, If operating 80% long haul they fly 8/10.

Total 20/30. Percentage of flights operating 66.6667% BA's % of flights operating 66.5%. Notice any similarities?

[ns68]

Also, the 80%/60% figs apply to the entire 5 days of strikes, not each individual day. Some routes have varying numbers of flights each day, less on some days, more on other days.

yeah,that's what I was thinking..maybe they mean for the all wave..We will see by the end of the week.maybe they can..

And theres 268 scheduled departures today not 256.

I will go and count again,give me a second..am really not here to give any wrong info so if I am wrong, you will have to excuse me

[ns68]

And theres 268 scheduled departures today not 256.

NO,256 STILL. on BA.COM arrivals and departures. -Don't know if you are aware of an extra 12,I can only look at ba.com

I'm sorry to keep correcting your maths but the percentage of BA OPERATED flights is 59.7% (actually higher because the figures are wrong in the first place). The wet leases are additional.

Yeah,59.7%, the wetlease are added.- but still 59.7% not 70% claimed.as i said I don't have a problem with it,the more we fly the better moneywise,I have a problem with the misleading infos that we have been fed with all long.This was my argument. I have only reported the numbers because otherwise,there would have been someone asking me to prove why I thought the management was giving us the wrong figures.

[Hotel Mode]

One interesting thing is that longhaul flights are flying well above 80%. There are 16 Long Haul cancellations today against a plan of 89. So 82% flying. Only 1 777 and 3 747s cancelled all day!

[TorC]

Don't forget that on shorthaul particularly, there are subs from 319s>320s>321s>767s on some flights. So still possible to carry the same number of customers overall.

LHR-CDG today: 6 flights - 5 operating, 1 canx
LHR-CDG tmrw: 7 flights - 4 operating, 3 canx

[Hotel Mode]

Yeah,59.7%, the wetlease are added.- but still 59.7% not 70% claimed.

Nobody claimed 70%. Where is that quote from?

Again, the plan was 60% short and 80% long haul. Re-read my post as to why this does not equal 70%

NO,256 STILL. on BA.COM arrivals and departures. -Don't know if you are aware of an extra 12,I can only look at ba.com

I'm looking on internal systems, since it only makes 1.5% difference it doesnt really matter.

[dave3]

If real crew are all turning up for work and operation is above the one BA forcast why are BA still using wet lease aircraft and crew and why is there still a need for volunteers?

[Betty girl]

I just want to tell you how worried I am about coming to work after the strike.
Some of the crew that are striking are completely blaming those that have worked for this mess. They are saying hateful things on their forum about how cc scabs and pilot scabs have ruined everything and if it wasn't for them every thing would be fine and they would have won.

It is really frightening to think that I may have to do a trip with these people and I am very scared.

I know that I have done the right thing by working but it does not stop me from being frightened by these crew.

I can't sleep for worry and I know it is the same for the strikers too.
The whole thing is a horrible mess.

I really hope that Mr. Walsh does send out a reasonable offer in the post with a choise to sign or go and all of this ends.

[Hotel Mode]

If real crew are all turning up for work and operation is above the one BA forcast why are BA still using wet lease aircraft and crew and why is there still a need for volunteers?

Because BA dont know which real crew will turn up so they need cover for unexpected gaps. They are having flights where all turn up and others where half turn up.

The blinder BA have played here is by not overpromising and therefore never once cancelling an extra flight resulting in no story for the media.

BA could probably up the service to 90% and 80% today but there would be a risk of short notice cancellations.

[dave3]

BA have played a blinder?...... would negotiation not have been a better blinder for BA to play?.... How much money is this blinder costing? On the Green front how many empty aircraft are being launched into the sky to play this blinder?

[4468]

I'm going to be just as worried if and when there is an agreement.

This dispute will not end in 'agreement'. (That used to be exactly what BASSA wanted!) It is being managed to an alternative agenda, with a more decisive outcome. BASSA are now powerless to influence that.

Individuals need to do their own research, much like ns68, think for themselves, and accept the consequences they can live with, rather than the ones they can't!

[Hotel Mode]

Oh what a lovely strike: As travellers suffer, Pimm's, comedians and barbecues on the picket line... | Mail Online

Whilst we're on figures. 1500 at bedfont wasnt it? Dont think so.

[BikerMark]

It seems rather academic arguing about small variations in percentages. What's obvious is that the strike is not well supported and has failed to ground the operation. Sure, it's dented it but in a planned and controlled way. Iimportantly, for the media, it's become a pretty low-ranking story. No tents outside the terminals, no angry crowds, no BA managers running from chasing TV crews.

entering the crc you could notice the difference... Grumpy, tanned strikers with stand by lanyards talking in small groups, all with silly bassa lanyards... Unfortunately on my flight I was the sole non striker... Needless to say I was isolated. They were spitting poison like cobras... Everyone sees that this strike is meaningless apart from them. They are really passionate, brainwashed and act like hypnotised...

It saddened me when i saw a bunch of them, leaving for a double stand over... They left today, back on Monday... Forgive me guys but I would rather BA had rewarded a non striker with such a trip..

They all came back and did what was planned on their roster... Simple as that...Pure rudeness to customers, no one spoke to pilots... Crm... well non existent... not that it was ever BA's strongest point...

This is quite worrying. BA is slipping down the service league and sizeable group of surly disaffected cabin crew will be a significant commercial handicap. A strike always leaves a legacy of bitterness. The divisions caused by the miners strike have lasted a generation or more.

[Hotel Mode]

BA have played a blinder?...... would negotiation not have been a better blinder for BA to play?....

BA negotiated for over a year. BASSA just didnt ever turn up. Or if they did they were silent or fighting with CC89. Its all recorded in the High Court.

What you mean by negotiation is give in to everything BASSA wants. I'm afraid it doesnt work like that.

As for money, this will be saved in about 1 year of the new fleet that BASSAs behaviour has introduced. A superb investment for any company.

[malcolmf]

would negotiation not have been a better blinder for BA to play?

BA tried, but the two branches wouldn't sit in the same room last year and faced with massive losses they had no real choice but to impose a solution.
Remember there was also a vote at Sandown/Kempton on a show of hands refusing any further negotiation with BA.

[ns68]

I just want to tell you how worried I am about coming to work after the strike.
Some of the crew that are striking are completely blaming those that have worked for this mess. They are saying hateful things on their forum about how cc scabs and pilot scabs have ruined everything and if it wasn't for them every thing would be fine and they would have won.

It is really frightening to think that I may have to do a trip with these people and I am very scared.

Don't worry,I wrote you a PM as well.
If you knew the people who went on strike,you wouldn't worry that much.
Most people on Eurofleet I know took industrial action, and I promise you that they are all happy go lucky individuals.-not the militants claim you get on here- I obviously can only speak for a minor number of people but I wouldn't worry if I was you.As i said,there has been a lot of bonding amongst people who went on strike but that's all. Last flight I did last saturday,CSD and a member of crew knew each other very very well..do you think I managed to say a word through the all flight? No. They just had so much to talk about kids,etc..It happens anyway,strike or not!!don't worry..