British Airways vs. BASSA (Airline Staff Only)
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And another thing
Just who is this
who was/is privy to Bill Francis' secrets?
Please do not let him/her be bashful or shy: let that person stand up, be identified and confirm what has been ascribed to him/her.
What? No response from "a senior BASSA rep"? Somehow I did not think there would or ever will be.
senior BASSA rep
Please do not let him/her be bashful or shy: let that person stand up, be identified and confirm what has been ascribed to him/her.
What? No response from "a senior BASSA rep"? Somehow I did not think there would or ever will be.
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I don't want to be rewarded, as much as strikers might like to believe I (and other breakers) do. I don't go to work because I want to be rewarded - I do it because I believe it's the right thing to do in this case.
(that said, I won't say no to any reward that comes my way - only I won't be looking for one)
(that said, I won't say no to any reward that comes my way - only I won't be looking for one)
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Airbus captain who has co-ordinated and led “the pilots working as crew” initiative
or it could be yet more lies from BASSA
Why do they fear the truth?
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Tomorrow and days to come
i just want to say thanks you to all CC who are coming to work tomorrow and through the strike. I also would like to thank the VCC who are doing a fabulous job. I wish you all pleasents trips. i will be supporting CC in a crew support role. We all know that it is a minority who are causing trouble and we all respect the rest. Its a bit like football, in a stadio with 40000 supporters who genuinely want to enjoy the game, you always have few hooligans who spoil it for everyone and give football a bad reputation.
Tiramisu, i really like your posts, I hope you have a great trip and i might meet you sometime next time i travel, god knows when... i have been cancelling trips after trips due to ash cloud and strike... i need a holiday!
Tiramisu, i really like your posts, I hope you have a great trip and i might meet you sometime next time i travel, god knows when... i have been cancelling trips after trips due to ash cloud and strike... i need a holiday!
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Actually even I have to object to that last remark..how one behaves in an incident is nothing to do with this dispute..I wuld sincerely hope all crew would do the best job they can on the day..
The dispute is another thing altogether.
The dispute is another thing altogether.
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I find it very interesting that TW used the phrase " reinstate my members travel " when talking to the press this afternoon , implying it was part of our contracts.
He obviously could not use the words "staff travel perks", as what would joe public think of that as the main reason that their holidays are being ruined.
He obviously could not use the words "staff travel perks", as what would joe public think of that as the main reason that their holidays are being ruined.
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Lets keep this forum to facts..all cabin crew (striking/non-striking/VCC) would do their best in any incident - safety isn't an issue..experience doesn't always mean a text book evacuation, brand new crews have performed amazing jobs in the face of danger..regardless of this dispute and the loss of good opinion in the press/public BA cabin crew have an excellent safety record and are amongest the most decorated for bravery worldwide.
Lets get back to the issue in hand and the diservice meted out to those same crews by the unions..I really beleive that UNITE's aim is not to safeguard jobs and pay/conditions for crew but to assert their authority over BA and in particular Willie Walsh - I'm sure the public backlash has surprised them and their behaviour and rhetoric is definately not representative of any cabin crew I'm acquainted with.
The bare facts are the recession means we all have to make sacrifices to safeguard the future of the company we work for. If you are not prepared to do so then we simply won;t survive in this present climate..end of
Lets get back to the issue in hand and the diservice meted out to those same crews by the unions..I really beleive that UNITE's aim is not to safeguard jobs and pay/conditions for crew but to assert their authority over BA and in particular Willie Walsh - I'm sure the public backlash has surprised them and their behaviour and rhetoric is definately not representative of any cabin crew I'm acquainted with.
The bare facts are the recession means we all have to make sacrifices to safeguard the future of the company we work for. If you are not prepared to do so then we simply won;t survive in this present climate..end of
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Staff Travel
When I was at BA, the loss of staff travel was usually for a breach of the staff travel rules, or a punishment for a disciplinary offence. If staff travel was embargoed, then it was for every employee.
Agreed everyone?
Why has staff travel been removed from employees who took part in industrial action?
Punishment?
Is there any law of the land that makes procedurally correct industrial action, within the accepted timescales, a matter of discipline?
Surely, there should have been some internal process followed to remove a benefit from a particular group of employees, but left it in place from another group from the same department?
Question - an individual who wished to strike, but was on rostered days off, should be asked whether they were in support. 5000+ employees voted for the action, but how many have had staff travel removed. Surely, it should be 5000+. If not, there must be a case discrimination.
Oh, and before you think that this is a pointless question, I was on leave when my department went out. I came off of leave, said I supported the action, got my leave back and took the hit in cash.
Discuss.
Agreed everyone?
Why has staff travel been removed from employees who took part in industrial action?
Punishment?
Is there any law of the land that makes procedurally correct industrial action, within the accepted timescales, a matter of discipline?
Surely, there should have been some internal process followed to remove a benefit from a particular group of employees, but left it in place from another group from the same department?
Question - an individual who wished to strike, but was on rostered days off, should be asked whether they were in support. 5000+ employees voted for the action, but how many have had staff travel removed. Surely, it should be 5000+. If not, there must be a case discrimination.
Oh, and before you think that this is a pointless question, I was on leave when my department went out. I came off of leave, said I supported the action, got my leave back and took the hit in cash.
Discuss.
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May I ask. What are the affects on crew duty periods of flight deck crew acting as cabin crew. Secondly as I understand it BA have gaffed on the removal of 'staff travel' as it breaches european employment legislation. I only ask as I've had the company of some murderous EU legislators of late who seem to be rubbing hands gleefully. As I understand it some ST was agreed to allow staff from closed bases such as Glasgow to commute. If thats the case; which is what I think was being got at and some of these staff have been affected by the removal of ST. I feel a painful kick in the nuts comming around the corner for some one. See, and I didn't even mention a certain person once!!!
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Litebulbs..
When I was at BA, the loss of staff travel was usually for a breach of the staff travel rules, or a punishment for a disciplinary offence. If staff travel was embargoed, then it was for every employee.
Also among the rules was any action that brought the airline into disrepute..
So the chanting masses outside the Aurora, the crew with the placards declaring I like **** but I don't like Willy, the stewardess parading in her walsh knickers? Damage to company reputation..it's all sides of the same coin..aren't we supposed to be mature, professionals that passengers can trust with their lives??
And speaking of ST..what about the hundreds of loyal employees past and present..and BA pensioners? Everyone's future is in jeopardy because of a few hard headed dinosaurs who won't adapt to the current market forces.
WW made it clear that strikers would have their ST revoked (the new ST09 is clear that it is a priveldge that can be taken away..before you book any ST you have to tick that box to state you understand the T&C's)..he is now willing to give the perk back (and make no mistake it is the ultimate perk worth 1000's every year and the one most envied by everyone outside aviation) - but not the seniority for ST (only)..it's a deal. If St is so important to the strikers - its simple - don't go on strike or tell your union you want to accept what is on the table now.
When I was at BA, the loss of staff travel was usually for a breach of the staff travel rules, or a punishment for a disciplinary offence. If staff travel was embargoed, then it was for every employee.
Also among the rules was any action that brought the airline into disrepute..
So the chanting masses outside the Aurora, the crew with the placards declaring I like **** but I don't like Willy, the stewardess parading in her walsh knickers? Damage to company reputation..it's all sides of the same coin..aren't we supposed to be mature, professionals that passengers can trust with their lives??
And speaking of ST..what about the hundreds of loyal employees past and present..and BA pensioners? Everyone's future is in jeopardy because of a few hard headed dinosaurs who won't adapt to the current market forces.
WW made it clear that strikers would have their ST revoked (the new ST09 is clear that it is a priveldge that can be taken away..before you book any ST you have to tick that box to state you understand the T&C's)..he is now willing to give the perk back (and make no mistake it is the ultimate perk worth 1000's every year and the one most envied by everyone outside aviation) - but not the seniority for ST (only)..it's a deal. If St is so important to the strikers - its simple - don't go on strike or tell your union you want to accept what is on the table now.
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I did not know, but from what I have read on here, this ability to commute after base closure, would in my mind, become an implied term of contract. I do not know enough about contract law to say that this is true, but if I was disadvantaged, I would be investigating this possible breach.