British Airways vs. BASSA (Airline Staff Only)
stormin norman, what has been clear from the start of this saga, and much clearer in recent weeks, is that BASSA and UNITE only, repeat only, want to 'deal' if it means that they get exactly what they want. As far as they are concerned, savings, reductions, increased productivity is stuff for others to worry and deal with. Apart from that view being being a rather juvenile one, the others have had enough of the BASSA and UNITE tripe, and the damage it has done, and continues to do. Enough talking - others want this beast slain. Finished. Now!
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Just a thought but does anyone have any idea what the going rate for unfair dismissal is?
I'm just thinking it might be cheaper for the company to just take the hit, sack all the strikers and settle out of court. Recruiting and training could presumably be organised fairly quickly and the whole thing might work out cheaper in the long run for the airline, as well as quickly restoring public confidence in BA.
I'm just thinking it might be cheaper for the company to just take the hit, sack all the strikers and settle out of court. Recruiting and training could presumably be organised fairly quickly and the whole thing might work out cheaper in the long run for the airline, as well as quickly restoring public confidence in BA.
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Return of ST to non-striking strikers?
Just picked this up from flyertalk.com:
Certainly news to me, if it's true. And while I can see some kind of logic in it, the damage was already done by strikers in the first round so as far as I'm concerned, the price still has to be paid.
Spoke to a CC yesterday evening, who has been on strike during previous rounds, but she's going to be working during the next rounds. She told me that they've been promissed reinstatement of staff travel if they don't strike this time, though it'll take a month or so to process.
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BA strike: Pilots urge government intervention
From the BBC: BA strike: Pilots urge government intervention
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Quote:
Just picked this up from flyertalk.com:
Just picked this up from flyertalk.com:
Spoke to a CC yesterday evening, who has been on strike during previous rounds, but she's going to be working during the next rounds. She told me that they've been promissed reinstatement of staff travel if they don't strike this time, though it'll take a month or so to process.
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TorC, that comment by a member of cabin crew appears to have been fundamentally misunderstood! What Willie Walsh actually said and wrote was:
So, strikers can only expect a resumption of staff travel if there are no more strikes, and then, only if BASSA/UNITE accept the company's other proposals. And even if they do accept, those who have currently lost staff travel, will go to the bottom of the on-load priority pile.
The devil is in the detail, but noticing the detail doesn't seem to be a very strong characteristic of many of those involved in the teddy-throwing that has been going on! Even if those who went on strike during the last 2 strike dates don't go on strike in the coming 5 dates, they will not be having their staff travel returned. That would disadvantage all other company groups who have listened, negotiated, accepted cuts and revised T&Cs. They are not going to accept that, and why should they?
During these talks, we have:
...... agreed to the return of staff travel to crew who went on strike, subject to certain conditions.
I know many of you who came to work were disappointed that we moved from a permanent staff travel ban for those who took action. But a permanent ban will happen if the union engages in further strike action.
...... agreed to the return of staff travel to crew who went on strike, subject to certain conditions.
I know many of you who came to work were disappointed that we moved from a permanent staff travel ban for those who took action. But a permanent ban will happen if the union engages in further strike action.
So, strikers can only expect a resumption of staff travel if there are no more strikes, and then, only if BASSA/UNITE accept the company's other proposals. And even if they do accept, those who have currently lost staff travel, will go to the bottom of the on-load priority pile.
The devil is in the detail, but noticing the detail doesn't seem to be a very strong characteristic of many of those involved in the teddy-throwing that has been going on! Even if those who went on strike during the last 2 strike dates don't go on strike in the coming 5 dates, they will not be having their staff travel returned. That would disadvantage all other company groups who have listened, negotiated, accepted cuts and revised T&Cs. They are not going to accept that, and why should they?
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I wonder who promised reinstatement of staff travel as Willie Walsh said on Wednesday that he would not reinstate staff travel to strikers
( Too slow on the draw, the Beatle's fan beat me to it)....
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Willie Walsh made two offers regarding staff travel in a letter to Brendan Barber dated 19 April 2010.
1. He'd give back staff travel to commuters "on the signing of the Way Forward agreement for travel to and from their home to work only".
2. He'd give back staff travel to all, but without accrued years of service, if seven conditions (including acceptance of the Way Forward agreement) were met.
As neither of the above has happened, crew who went on strike cannot get their staff travel back - which is what Willie Walsh confirmed on Wednesday. Any cabin crew member who thinks otherwise is mistaken.
Furthermore, Bill Francis has told cabin crew what will happen if they now go on strike.
1. He'd give back staff travel to commuters "on the signing of the Way Forward agreement for travel to and from their home to work only".
2. He'd give back staff travel to all, but without accrued years of service, if seven conditions (including acceptance of the Way Forward agreement) were met.
As neither of the above has happened, crew who went on strike cannot get their staff travel back - which is what Willie Walsh confirmed on Wednesday. Any cabin crew member who thinks otherwise is mistaken.
Furthermore, Bill Francis has told cabin crew what will happen if they now go on strike.
If you miss any duty on your roster during the strike, you will be banned from using staff travel permanently. This ban covers you and all your nominees and you will not be eligible to be a nominee on other colleagues’ staff travel. Staff travel is non-contractual and the company is legally entitled to withdraw it from you.
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Something that may be positive about ACAS getting involved on the BBC website BBC News - BA strike: Acas makes formal talks invite to both sides
One thing is for sure, without people talking there will be no resolution to the dispute. Let's hope for everyones sake common sense will prevail.
One thing is for sure, without people talking there will be no resolution to the dispute. Let's hope for everyones sake common sense will prevail.
One thing is for sure, without people talking there will be no resolution to the dispute.
Breaking News: BA has now applied to the High Court for an injunction against the strike.
And the following is a succint and accurate summary of recent events:
Unite appears intent on destroying BA - Telegraph
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High Court Injunction
Thanks for the alert, TopBunk. Here is the statement by BA.
Our lawyers wrote to Unite yesterday evening to highlight potential flaws in the ballot process that led to seven days of strikes in March and the 20 days of strike action planned from next week.
The Trade Union and Labour Relations (Consolidation) Act 1992 requires unions to send everyone eligible to vote details of the exact breakdown of the ballot result. This point of law was clarified in April following Network Rail’s successful application for an injunction to stop a strike by the RMT.
We do not believe Unite properly complied with this requirement. We wrote to the General Secretaries of the union yesterday asking them to explain to us how they discharged this obligation and, based on Unite’s replies, we believe that they failed to comply with the legal requirement.
On this basis we have applied to the High Court for an injunction to stop the 20 days of strikes planned from Tuesday.
If the union has failed to comply, all the strike action that resulted from that ballot would be unlawful and their members would only have limited protection while taking part in strike action. The union would also be liable to BA for some of the financial losses that we have suffered as a result of the strikes.
We make no apology for looking at every option possible to protect our customers and our company from this completely unjustified strike and the union’s cynical attempts to destroy our airline.
Clearly, until the Court has heard the case, and with just days to go before the strikes are due to begin, it is critical that we stay focused on our contingency plans to ensure we can do a great job for our customers should the strike go ahead.
Colleagues are encouraged to volunteer for a Backing BA shift via the intranet.
The Trade Union and Labour Relations (Consolidation) Act 1992 requires unions to send everyone eligible to vote details of the exact breakdown of the ballot result. This point of law was clarified in April following Network Rail’s successful application for an injunction to stop a strike by the RMT.
We do not believe Unite properly complied with this requirement. We wrote to the General Secretaries of the union yesterday asking them to explain to us how they discharged this obligation and, based on Unite’s replies, we believe that they failed to comply with the legal requirement.
On this basis we have applied to the High Court for an injunction to stop the 20 days of strikes planned from Tuesday.
If the union has failed to comply, all the strike action that resulted from that ballot would be unlawful and their members would only have limited protection while taking part in strike action. The union would also be liable to BA for some of the financial losses that we have suffered as a result of the strikes.
We make no apology for looking at every option possible to protect our customers and our company from this completely unjustified strike and the union’s cynical attempts to destroy our airline.
Clearly, until the Court has heard the case, and with just days to go before the strikes are due to begin, it is critical that we stay focused on our contingency plans to ensure we can do a great job for our customers should the strike go ahead.
Colleagues are encouraged to volunteer for a Backing BA shift via the intranet.
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Our lawyers wrote to Unite yesterday evening to highlight potential flaws in the ballot process that led to seven days of strikes in March and the 20 days of strike action planned from next week.
We do not believe Unite properly complied with this requirement. We wrote to the General Secretaries of the union yesterday asking them to explain to us how they discharged this obligation and, based on Unite’s replies, we believe that they failed to comply with the legal requirement.
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If the union has failed to comply, all the strike action that resulted from that ballot would be unlawful and their members would only have limited protection while taking part in strike action. The union would also be liable to BA for some of the financial losses that we have suffered as a result of the strikes.
We do not believe Unite properly complied with this requirement. We wrote to the General Secretaries of the union yesterday asking them to explain to us how they discharged this obligation and, based on Unite’s replies, we believe that they failed to comply with the legal requirement.
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If the union has failed to comply, all the strike action that resulted from that ballot would be unlawful and their members would only have limited protection while taking part in strike action. The union would also be liable to BA for some of the financial losses that we have suffered as a result of the strikes.
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If the injunction succeeds, then Unite is slowed down and more crew will get fed up and work rather than go on future strikes. This is the lesson from previous disputes in other industries.
Furthermore, if Unite is smart it will call off the strikes pending the judgement, as any strike action which is subsequently judged to be illegal could be serious for striking crew.
Furthermore, if Unite is smart it will call off the strikes pending the judgement, as any strike action which is subsequently judged to be illegal could be serious for striking crew.