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Neither has Carnage, I'm sure. You, on the other hand, seem desperate to protect BASSA's inane ramblings, for no other reason than being miffed when someone questions them. 
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Sorry you need to go back to my original posting. It was about obtaining permission to copy a email/article that clearly states permission needs to be obtained before copying.
Thats the only question I raised.
How does that make me trying to protect BASSA?
Thats the only question I raised.
How does that make me trying to protect BASSA?
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mandyconn,
You seem to have a slightly naive view of internet communications distribution.
Unfortunately the 'Don't distribute this without permission' at the bottom of a page has, in this case, absolutely no legally binding powers whatsoever.
It is quite simply akin to say to somebody in the canteen 'Don't tell anyone I told you this but.....'.
If posted documentation were to contain sensitive business information which could be used by a third party for commercial gain, libelous information on individuals or information of a sensitive nature to the business operations or products it originated from then yes. But then that would be covered under the recipients confidentiality agreement as written into their contract.
I assume the BASSA members have no such confidentiality agreement?
The inane ramblings of the BASSA heir-achy contain little more than passing amusement for some on this forum and a wealth of useless, nebulous mud slinging for the recipient membership.
If legal proceedings were to be progressed then the original recipient of the specific documentation would have to be identified. Unless BASSA digitally watermarks every single one of its documents to specific members then this is never going to happen.
So, back to the discussion, I think we can leave the 'lawyers' bit out from now on.
You seem to have a slightly naive view of internet communications distribution.
Unfortunately the 'Don't distribute this without permission' at the bottom of a page has, in this case, absolutely no legally binding powers whatsoever.
It is quite simply akin to say to somebody in the canteen 'Don't tell anyone I told you this but.....'.
If posted documentation were to contain sensitive business information which could be used by a third party for commercial gain, libelous information on individuals or information of a sensitive nature to the business operations or products it originated from then yes. But then that would be covered under the recipients confidentiality agreement as written into their contract.
I assume the BASSA members have no such confidentiality agreement?
The inane ramblings of the BASSA heir-achy contain little more than passing amusement for some on this forum and a wealth of useless, nebulous mud slinging for the recipient membership.
If legal proceedings were to be progressed then the original recipient of the specific documentation would have to be identified. Unless BASSA digitally watermarks every single one of its documents to specific members then this is never going to happen.
So, back to the discussion, I think we can leave the 'lawyers' bit out from now on.
mandyconn,
You were the one who threatened lawyers and harped on about "Remember you can't hide behind a user name on a forum". If that isn't playing BASSA's little game then I don't what is. 
Thats the only question I raised.
How does that make me trying to protect BASSA?
How does that make me trying to protect BASSA?
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The CRC is littered with the discarded ramblings of Bassa - I understand that members of the crew forum actively encourage each other to photocopy and hand out these communications to other crew.
Mandyconn - I suggest you point the Bassa lawyers at the Crew Forum first.
Mandyconn - I suggest you point the Bassa lawyers at the Crew Forum first.
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It doesn't behove us to sling mud any more than it behoves LaLa and her reps to make oblique comparisons to a fictional murderer. However if, as seems to be the wish, we seek balance would one of the crew members who are bold enough to correct us on here please go to the stop press pt 2 thread on Crewforum and remind the second poster that flight crew have Been asked to take way more than a pay freeze (reduced crewing levels, 2.61% paycut and reduction in flying allowances) and this will not be recouped even if we do see our shares as these are a fixed pot of money's worth - not a fixed number of shares. Indeed the only pay-freeze mooted was by BA for CC - BASSA volunteered a strangely familiar 2.61% but without the other diminutions to our t and cs.
Would be immensely grateful if one of you could ensure that your efforts to keep the equilibrium in this discussion could be brought to bear over there too.
Many thanks.
Would be immensely grateful if one of you could ensure that your efforts to keep the equilibrium in this discussion could be brought to bear over there too.
Many thanks.
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Mr Bunker wrote- "It doesn't behove us to sling mud any more than it behoves LaLa and her reps to make oblique comparisons to a fictional murderer. However if, as seems to be the wish, we seek balance would one of the crew members who are bold enough to correct us on here please go to the stop press pt 2 thread on Crewforum and remind the second poster that flight crew have Been asked to take way more than a pay freeze (reduced crewing levels, 2.61% paycut and reduction in flying allowances) and this will not be recouped even if we do see our shares as these are a fixed pot of money's worth - not a fixed number of shares. Indeed the only pay-freeze mooted was by BA for CC - BASSA volunteered a strangely familiar 2.61% but without the other diminutions to our t and cs."
Why don't you go on there and remind him/her yourself.Or are you afraid of being exposed,or your girlfriend/wife/boyfriend being exposed !
Why don't you go on there and remind him/her yourself.Or are you afraid of being exposed,or your girlfriend/wife/boyfriend being exposed !
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While you are on the phone to BASSA's lawyers, ask them about SOSR.
While you are on the phone to BASSA's lawyers, ask them about SOSR.
Please start a new ramble.
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I see. Is that the best riposte you can muster in order to try and keep this on an adult level? Therein lies some of the problem we allude to. It's mud slinging and banal intimations of character weakness. I don't post on there as I'm not a cc member. My wife doesn't post on there because, despite what people say, there is no brooking of any heterodox opinion and people who think differently are almost always met with nigh on abusive retorts. To ask for a clarification of fact by a member of your coterie is hardly about risking exposure, despite the occasional history of threats of violence against the person on anonymous cc forums. You may or may not choose to believe thus but the opinions of a vast majority of people at work are not of any significant consequence to my day to day mental balance.
To my mind, a response that might have served you to better purpose would be to acknowledge the factual inaccuracies being bandied about and corrected them to allow the debate to continue around the facts.
That the best you can muster is to make a LaLa-esque allusion to my personal moral courage is at the heart of all that's dysfunctional about this debate.
To my mind, a response that might have served you to better purpose would be to acknowledge the factual inaccuracies being bandied about and corrected them to allow the debate to continue around the facts.
That the best you can muster is to make a LaLa-esque allusion to my personal moral courage is at the heart of all that's dysfunctional about this debate.
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Carnage Mutey wrote:
Another cracked record....can you actually supply dates for these meetings that Bassa failed to show up at?
That is when BASSA has deigned to turn up for meetings, which is pretty infrequently. The reps are well ahead of management in the walk-out stakes.
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He also expects to bulk-load all of the components that make up the tray and catering and expects cabin crew to lay up each individual tray. A massive increase in workload with current crewing levels, yet at the same time he intends to remove a Purser from the club world galley on all aircraft types. Why do this? Simple, British Airways no longer will have to pay Gate Gourmet or Alpha to set up each tray; you will be doing it and they will pocket the money saved. Oh yes, it also will not be counted towards cabin crews’ cost saving target - but caterings.
Tremendous entertainment this.
The collective myopia is staggering bearing in mind whats going on in the world around us...
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Oh good idea Mandyconn, can you also ask:
Why BASSA are publishing these inane pieces instead of spending our money on actually agreeing something?
Why BASSA are offering a 2.6% pay cut BEFORE asking our permission to do so? Ditto Pay freeze, increment freeze, 767 to EF, etc. etc.
Why BASSA are discussing the serving of WT+ hot towels and the 2nd Club World service when the role of a Union is PROTECT JOBS AND SALARIES?
Oh and weren't you the one who had some earth shattering info at about midnight a few weeks back? You never did get back to us with that did you?
Thanks Mandyconn...I won't hold my breath....
Why BASSA are publishing these inane pieces instead of spending our money on actually agreeing something?
Why BASSA are offering a 2.6% pay cut BEFORE asking our permission to do so? Ditto Pay freeze, increment freeze, 767 to EF, etc. etc.
Why BASSA are discussing the serving of WT+ hot towels and the 2nd Club World service when the role of a Union is PROTECT JOBS AND SALARIES?
Oh and weren't you the one who had some earth shattering info at about midnight a few weeks back? You never did get back to us with that did you?
Thanks Mandyconn...I won't hold my breath....
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BASSA has put us in this situation!
Do they actually know what they are doing and how to get out of this mess? I don't trust them for a second and I fear that their behaviour will punish its members. Frankly, some crew are too naive to realise this and standing behind them (UNITED WE STAND).
Looking at CF it appears that it is mostly the same people this matter. Far less than 100 people (if not half that number) and out of how many members? 3000?
Do they actually know what they are doing and how to get out of this mess? I don't trust them for a second and I fear that their behaviour will punish its members. Frankly, some crew are too naive to realise this and standing behind them (UNITED WE STAND).
Looking at CF it appears that it is mostly the same people this matter. Far less than 100 people (if not half that number) and out of how many members? 3000?
CFC telling off others here for sounding like a "cracked record"! How entertaining! 
You probably meant 'stuck record'?
In any event, it doesn't change the noise coming from from the BASSA stable that is nothing but the same unsubstantiated nonsense repeated ad nauseum. Talk about pot calling kettle!
You probably meant 'stuck record'?In any event, it doesn't change the noise coming from from the BASSA stable that is nothing but the same unsubstantiated nonsense repeated ad nauseum. Talk about pot calling kettle!
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Nuigini wrote:
How did you get to that conclusion Nuigini?
Was it also the Unions fault that a BA Director stormed out of yesterdays 'so important' meeting?
Its getting more and more obvious that BA are just stalling for time - I wonder why.
BASSA has put us in this situation!
Was it also the Unions fault that a BA Director stormed out of yesterdays 'so important' meeting?
Its getting more and more obvious that BA are just stalling for time - I wonder why.