British Airways - CC Industrial Relations & Negotiations
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Here we again...
...but of course that would'nt affect Flight Crew in your small world, would it?
...... in a low-cost operator the 'troughers' in BASSA would see the end of their lifestyles, and UNITE would see a dive in subscription income?
CFC,
You're still not paying attention are you? It has been stated here dozens of times!
BA cabin crew are the most overmanned and, for many of the LHR senior grades, the most overpaid in Europe, if not the world! BASSA have consistently interfered in the day to day operation of the airline for decades. Consequently it is the cabin crew as a group, together with BASSA, that now have to take the pain. Owing to the utter ineptitude of BASSA, that is going to be unpleasant for the cushy lifestyle that has been enjoyed, but undeserved, by many.
Simple.
You're still not paying attention are you? It has been stated here dozens of times!
BA cabin crew are the most overmanned and, for many of the LHR senior grades, the most overpaid in Europe, if not the world! BASSA have consistently interfered in the day to day operation of the airline for decades. Consequently it is the cabin crew as a group, together with BASSA, that now have to take the pain. Owing to the utter ineptitude of BASSA, that is going to be unpleasant for the cushy lifestyle that has been enjoyed, but undeserved, by many.
Simple.
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Increased Subs
Anyone have any thoughts on the recent increase in monthly subs for BASSA membership? A 99p rise which may not seem alot but on the basis of it being nearly 7% one wonders how this extra "income" will be used. Perhaps there is a new "creative writer" being employed to write even more entertaining missives on their website. Perhaps extra income is required in preparation for the extra postage costs that will be incurred when the "ballot papers" are sent out. £16.39 a month not the best value for money.
Also anyone know how one gets to see how the "income" generated by all the subs paid by its members is used? Am sure it would make interesting reading.
p.s. note to self current rate of inflation 1.8%. Sub increase 7%. Recommended pay cut 2.61% bargain...........
Also anyone know how one gets to see how the "income" generated by all the subs paid by its members is used? Am sure it would make interesting reading.
p.s. note to self current rate of inflation 1.8%. Sub increase 7%. Recommended pay cut 2.61% bargain...........
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Deeceethre wrote:
Are you saying by the above you have been with BA for decades?
BA cabin crew are the most overmanned and, for many of the LHR senior grades, the most overpaid in Europe, if not the world! BASSA have consistently interfered in the day to day operation of the airline for decades.
This thread is not helping anyone!!
There are 90 pages of this thread.
I've read all the postings.
I'm not sure that the thread is helping anyone. No-one from Bassa responds to serious questions, so it just frustrates contributors.
The only position we've heard from the Bassa-style CC is quite simply "what we have we hold", - end of.
Positive contributions from LGW staff, and from pilots, and from non-BA folk are by and large ignored. GG and JSL must wonder about their colleagues.
I'm now going to try to stay away, until and unless anything meaningful develops.
I've read all the postings.
I'm not sure that the thread is helping anyone. No-one from Bassa responds to serious questions, so it just frustrates contributors.
The only position we've heard from the Bassa-style CC is quite simply "what we have we hold", - end of.
Positive contributions from LGW staff, and from pilots, and from non-BA folk are by and large ignored. GG and JSL must wonder about their colleagues.
I'm now going to try to stay away, until and unless anything meaningful develops.
CFC,
You have assumed I am in BA, haven't you? In any event, anyone's time in or out of BA is largely an irrelevance - let us see if you can counter any of the reasoned arguments/points/positions here without resorting to inane, hollow BASSA-speak. Go on, have a go! I dare you!
You have assumed I am in BA, haven't you? In any event, anyone's time in or out of BA is largely an irrelevance - let us see if you can counter any of the reasoned arguments/points/positions here without resorting to inane, hollow BASSA-speak. Go on, have a go! I dare you!
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...without resorting to inane, hollow BASSA-speak.
Idiots.
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i heard today that enough crew have volunteered for voluntary redundancy to cover the 2000 headcount equivalent reduction.the problem is that unless new crew levels on the aircraft can be agreed,they cannot be released as there will be insufficient crew to man the aircraft.that is the reason why they have not been allowed to go already.
difficult negotiations ahead for this week.its all taking a long time to resolve,the original deadline for agreement was end of june if i remember correctly.
difficult negotiations ahead for this week.its all taking a long time to resolve,the original deadline for agreement was end of june if i remember correctly.
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Which means if the crewing levels aren't agreed, they will be imposed. The deadline is tomorrow for all practical purposes. If a deal is agreed, I can see those 2000 (or more perhaps) walking with a nice VR payoff.
As previously mentioned (not that CFC appears to have read any of the thread), if no deal is agreed a deal will be imposed shortly followed by 2000 P45s going in the post with statutory redundancy. Any resulting attempt at a strike will almost certainly be prevented by legal means.
As previously mentioned (not that CFC appears to have read any of the thread), if no deal is agreed a deal will be imposed shortly followed by 2000 P45s going in the post with statutory redundancy. Any resulting attempt at a strike will almost certainly be prevented by legal means.
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I understand that approximately 43% of 14000 cabin crew are part time (=6000 individuals)
If there is a requirement to remove 2000 MPE from the business, and the average part timer works 66% (equal shares between 50% and 75% plus 150 at 33%), then 6000 out of the remaining 8000 must have applied for part time.
A few rough assumptions in there but is this realistic?
Can so many people from a workforce afford to go part time, leaving the equivalent of only 14% working full time?
I doubt it.
If there is a requirement to remove 2000 MPE from the business, and the average part timer works 66% (equal shares between 50% and 75% plus 150 at 33%), then 6000 out of the remaining 8000 must have applied for part time.
A few rough assumptions in there but is this realistic?
Can so many people from a workforce afford to go part time, leaving the equivalent of only 14% working full time?
I doubt it.
Can the company afford to have so many part-timers? 2 or more people doing 1 job are always going to cost more than 1 person doing the same job (admin, uniforms, etc). Whilst the company may be content to have some part-timers, that doesn't mean it wants a lot of them ......
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I am surprised as many as 43% may be part time, that is almost 6000 part time contracts.
That is a lot more uniforms to pay for and SEP training days + the admin costs etc.
That is a lot more uniforms to pay for and SEP training days + the admin costs etc.
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How can you say BASSA is ineffective, when the same old people keep stating that a large proportion of BA crew are the best paid in the world? I would say that is a very effective union and until the world crash, BA still made substantial profits!
If they had listened to some of the advice on here, they would have been down on market rate years ago.
And please stop banging on about a strike being illegal. Why would it be? OK, taking BA to court over SOSR may be a struggle, but industrial action against an imposition is not.
If they had listened to some of the advice on here, they would have been down on market rate years ago.
And please stop banging on about a strike being illegal. Why would it be? OK, taking BA to court over SOSR may be a struggle, but industrial action against an imposition is not.