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What I find disappointing is that BASSA only seem to be slinging mud around.
From their last 2 circulars there have been absolutely no suggestions as to how BASSA can progress with their support of the CC, what the BASSA strategy is, where the talks are aimed what the final acceptable result should be etc.
Perhaps a reasonable discourse on what the aims of BASSA are and how they intend to achieve them would be better than all of this nonsensical, puerile drivel.
From their last 2 circulars there have been absolutely no suggestions as to how BASSA can progress with their support of the CC, what the BASSA strategy is, where the talks are aimed what the final acceptable result should be etc.
Perhaps a reasonable discourse on what the aims of BASSA are and how they intend to achieve them would be better than all of this nonsensical, puerile drivel.
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Dear Moderators, can this thread be re-named?
Every single poster on this thread is so anti CC its becoming a bit of a joke. When was the last post debating sensibly what was being said by CC? Any comment pro CC is shot down by the so called 'experts' on this forum who seem to know exactly what BA are going to do in the near future...err but have yet to be proved right.
Today we have an update from the Bassa chairperson, who IMHO speaks from the heart about the actual state of affairs within BA. Add this to the latest from BA today re bulk loading second meals ...but only supplying 70% loading... and I think she has hit the nail on the head.
Willie Walsh is dealing in the short term but many of BA's loyal workforce think long term. This is where the confusion arises re pax wanting to stay with BA for whatever reason they give on the day. BA is imploding slowly but some regulars on here would never see that in their small minds.
Another more suitable thread title needed - suggestions 'experts'?
Every single poster on this thread is so anti CC its becoming a bit of a joke. When was the last post debating sensibly what was being said by CC? Any comment pro CC is shot down by the so called 'experts' on this forum who seem to know exactly what BA are going to do in the near future...err but have yet to be proved right.
Today we have an update from the Bassa chairperson, who IMHO speaks from the heart about the actual state of affairs within BA. Add this to the latest from BA today re bulk loading second meals ...but only supplying 70% loading... and I think she has hit the nail on the head.
Willie Walsh is dealing in the short term but many of BA's loyal workforce think long term. This is where the confusion arises re pax wanting to stay with BA for whatever reason they give on the day. BA is imploding slowly but some regulars on here would never see that in their small minds.
Another more suitable thread title needed - suggestions 'experts'?
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Tunbridge - No, I don't post on those forums, never have. I do read, though. I reckon that if I posted my opinions "over there" I would get shot down in flames, as has been proven with threats in the past.
CFC - I'm not anti CC. How can I be when I am one? I doubt that many on here are anti CC, that isn't what they're posting. Peeps might be anti Bassa, but everybody's entitled to an opinion. Reading the last two comms from Bassa, I am amazed that more people aren't laughing. The comms are full of emotive language and rather a lot of untruths, I'm afraid.
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CFC - I'm not anti CC. How can I be when I am one? I doubt that many on here are anti CC, that isn't what they're posting. Peeps might be anti Bassa, but everybody's entitled to an opinion. Reading the last two comms from Bassa, I am amazed that more people aren't laughing. The comms are full of emotive language and rather a lot of untruths, I'm afraid.
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CFC - As we are apparantly so anti-CC and ill-informed, perhaps you'd like to explain why your current working practices are in the long term interests of BA?
As a starter, how was BASSA's conduct when LHR was closed due to snow early this year in the long term interests of BA? How exactly does cabin crew getting two night stops at a hotel instead of pulling out all the stops (within the legal limits of course) to get pax home and enable the airline to get the flying programme back on track as soon as possible help BA?
What about the reported downgrade of several First class passengers to Club World on a YYZ-LHR flight? All because BASSA would not allow the First Class cabin to open because the flight operated to YYZ closed, even though an off duty crew member was willing to work so the flight could have operated with a First class cabin? How does downgrading your most important customers help BA?
If BASSA is so concerned about the long-term interests of BA, why did they oppose the introduction of premium crew training which was intended to address the repeated complaint of inconsistent service in First and Club World?
Please do explain. Please exclude the words Willie, Walsh, Terminal, Five, price, fixing, pilots, Nigels and BALPA from your response.
While you're at it, perhaps you'd like to provide some economic forecasts to support BASSA's hilarious assertion that the recession is "rapidly disappearing". As an economist, I'd love to know.
As a starter, how was BASSA's conduct when LHR was closed due to snow early this year in the long term interests of BA? How exactly does cabin crew getting two night stops at a hotel instead of pulling out all the stops (within the legal limits of course) to get pax home and enable the airline to get the flying programme back on track as soon as possible help BA?
What about the reported downgrade of several First class passengers to Club World on a YYZ-LHR flight? All because BASSA would not allow the First Class cabin to open because the flight operated to YYZ closed, even though an off duty crew member was willing to work so the flight could have operated with a First class cabin? How does downgrading your most important customers help BA?
If BASSA is so concerned about the long-term interests of BA, why did they oppose the introduction of premium crew training which was intended to address the repeated complaint of inconsistent service in First and Club World?
Please do explain. Please exclude the words Willie, Walsh, Terminal, Five, price, fixing, pilots, Nigels and BALPA from your response.
While you're at it, perhaps you'd like to provide some economic forecasts to support BASSA's hilarious assertion that the recession is "rapidly disappearing". As an economist, I'd love to know.
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Apologies all - I wish I knew how to quote someone!
Glamgirl, why are you worried about being shot down in flames? There are lots of different/opposing viewpoints on this forum as there are on other forums
Glamgirl, why are you worried about being shot down in flames? There are lots of different/opposing viewpoints on this forum as there are on other forums
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Originally Posted by CFC
When was the last post debating sensibly what was being said by CC
Today we have an update from the Bassa chairperson, who IMHO speaks from the heart about the actual state of affairs within BA.
Willie Walsh is dealing in the short term but many of BA's loyal workforce think long term.
The essence of the problem here is that due to the total lack of effective comms in IFCE/BASSA the crew do not realise that they are part of the problem, not part of the solution. The company cannot continue employing twice the crew to do half the work compared to the competition, or allowing militant hotheads to hold a gun to the companys head whenever they choose. Crew are ensconsed in their own mental bunkers into which the real world does not, must not penetrate. How else can you explain that how the latest rant can be met with a response from a crew member like this:
" I think that if BA has any chance of getting through the next few months and surviving Walsh it will be due to the good sense of Bassa (lead by Lala) and the determination of the sadly put-upon Crew."
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Tunbridge, I have explained previously on this thread as to why I don't post on the other forums. Basically, my identity could be found out, and I've been threatened in the past. And that's just for having a different opinion to the mainstream on other forums. Some people can't handle that.
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From Tunbridge Wells,
I seem to recall that Glamgirl and some other cabin crew on this forum have prevously stated they don't wish to be harangued by the harridans and witches that populate the other forums, where threats of physical abuse seem to be the flavouir of the day, if you don't tow the BASSA line. At least here there is a wide spread of reasoned argument though, sadly, little of it comes from the BASSA diehards.
I seem to recall that Glamgirl and some other cabin crew on this forum have prevously stated they don't wish to be harangued by the harridans and witches that populate the other forums, where threats of physical abuse seem to be the flavouir of the day, if you don't tow the BASSA line. At least here there is a wide spread of reasoned argument though, sadly, little of it comes from the BASSA diehards.
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BA unions refuse to yield to deal on pay cuts - Times Online
Tunbridge dont worry the fact of the matter is discussions on here do not seem to have any relveance to the reality of the situation and is simply a pr tool to make others less insecure. Fact of the matter is cabin crew mainly get their information from other sources.
Tunbridge dont worry the fact of the matter is discussions on here do not seem to have any relveance to the reality of the situation and is simply a pr tool to make others less insecure. Fact of the matter is cabin crew mainly get their information from other sources.
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AiB, I seriously doubt it. You've just proven something to me, which is that the "militant" (for lack of a better word) CC will not, under any circumstances, listen to an alternative way of thinking. Quotes from various reports/establishments - some CC won't listen, regardless. It seems to me that the only "establishment" these peeps will listen to is the oracle of Bassa. Shame, really, as we've proven on here numerous times that Bassa lie throught their teeth.
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There is no reasonable debate here its all purile vitrol against a union and its members.
Good luck at LGW glamgirl one day with more experience you may be able to see the light. Many people have seen this opportunism time and time again.
Shame you are not fighting to improve your terms down there and simply time wasting on here.
Good luck at LGW glamgirl one day with more experience you may be able to see the light. Many people have seen this opportunism time and time again.
Shame you are not fighting to improve your terms down there and simply time wasting on here.
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as they are probably all written by the same people.
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AiB,
It's not easy fighting for T&Cs when the biggest union couldn't give a monkey's what happens to us. I've plenty experience, thank you.
However, this thread is not about me.
Try again to have a discussion in an adult fashion. I do not post hatred here, I post my opinion. Whatever you want to interpret that as, is up to you.
Gg
It's not easy fighting for T&Cs when the biggest union couldn't give a monkey's what happens to us. I've plenty experience, thank you.
However, this thread is not about me.
Try again to have a discussion in an adult fashion. I do not post hatred here, I post my opinion. Whatever you want to interpret that as, is up to you.
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There is no reasonable debate here its all purile vitrol against a union and its members.
All we get back is "BASSA 100%", "you're all anti-CC" and personal attacks on WW and BA management.
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See thats where you are so wrong GG.
The union under the current leadership has got you into the nsp and achieved you equal transfer rights. You need to look back at the history 1992 where Dan air was bought for a £1 and all the crew were hired on a low cost agreement.
Its not the union that wants to stop transfers?? And the union will fight to continue to allow transfers for lgw crew into lhr!!
The union also achieved working down payments for you guys at lgw
Im not going to type a massive post for you to shoot me down in flames I am not wasting my time. You would be much better off fighting your corner than slagging off your colleagues on a predominantly used pilots forum with their own personal agendas.
The union under the current leadership has got you into the nsp and achieved you equal transfer rights. You need to look back at the history 1992 where Dan air was bought for a £1 and all the crew were hired on a low cost agreement.
Its not the union that wants to stop transfers?? And the union will fight to continue to allow transfers for lgw crew into lhr!!
The union also achieved working down payments for you guys at lgw
Im not going to type a massive post for you to shoot me down in flames I am not wasting my time. You would be much better off fighting your corner than slagging off your colleagues on a predominantly used pilots forum with their own personal agendas.
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AiB,
Wow, Bassa got us in the NSP. Amazing. Do you know what that did for me? I lost 8 years of seniority as Bassa wouldn't let us keep our original seniority.
Working down payment. A quarter of what LHR get - and no closed cabins.
Transfers - Actually, there are people out there who do not want to transfer, amazing as you might find that.
Bassa has sold LGW down the river. They ballsed up our breakfast allowance. They've offered the company a pay cut (same as LHR) when the company didn't ask for a pay cut. At the same time, Bassa offered to take a Purser off the 777, vastly cutting the earning potential for Pursers.
1992? Are you kidding me? That's 17 years ago, for crying out loud! The world (just in case you didn't notice) has changed vastly since then. You really need to move into the present, and look to the future.
You might be happy to grind the company to a halt and help us go bankrupt, but most sensible people would rather not.
Gg
PS. Not shooting you down in flames. Just expressing my opinion on the matter. That's how a discussion works.
Wow, Bassa got us in the NSP. Amazing. Do you know what that did for me? I lost 8 years of seniority as Bassa wouldn't let us keep our original seniority.
Working down payment. A quarter of what LHR get - and no closed cabins.
Transfers - Actually, there are people out there who do not want to transfer, amazing as you might find that.
Bassa has sold LGW down the river. They ballsed up our breakfast allowance. They've offered the company a pay cut (same as LHR) when the company didn't ask for a pay cut. At the same time, Bassa offered to take a Purser off the 777, vastly cutting the earning potential for Pursers.
1992? Are you kidding me? That's 17 years ago, for crying out loud! The world (just in case you didn't notice) has changed vastly since then. You really need to move into the present, and look to the future.
You might be happy to grind the company to a halt and help us go bankrupt, but most sensible people would rather not.
Gg
PS. Not shooting you down in flames. Just expressing my opinion on the matter. That's how a discussion works.
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Well actually GG getting into the nsp is a major achievement and if you dont appreciate it then thats your loss.
Fact of the matter is LGW will never have the same conditions as LHR but the option to transfer is currently and I repeat currently avaiLable to those who want it.
In the past the union may have turned their back on lgw but not anymore and rather than be negative you would do well to to support the union and help to improve what you currently do have.
Fact of the matter is people down at lgw have always been walked over and when they have the option to make a difference they like yourselves seem to accept it as the status quo.
I feel sorry for you as your attitude seems to be to feel sorry for yourselves and with that mentaility things will never get better only worse.
Need only look at one lady from the hkg base who on her own with support from colleagues has gone to court and won with regards to age discrimination etc. I am sure it will be appealed never the less a great achievment.
Good luck and I hope one day you see the light. As I dont see how your complaining and bitterness is going to improve the situation that lgw are in.
If everyone joined one union had one voice you would be suprised at the difference you can make.
Instead when ever they say jump lgw say how high. LCY JFK for example.
But complaining about LHR colleagues seems to be a better option for you.
Fact of the matter is LGW will never have the same conditions as LHR but the option to transfer is currently and I repeat currently avaiLable to those who want it.
In the past the union may have turned their back on lgw but not anymore and rather than be negative you would do well to to support the union and help to improve what you currently do have.
Fact of the matter is people down at lgw have always been walked over and when they have the option to make a difference they like yourselves seem to accept it as the status quo.
I feel sorry for you as your attitude seems to be to feel sorry for yourselves and with that mentaility things will never get better only worse.
Need only look at one lady from the hkg base who on her own with support from colleagues has gone to court and won with regards to age discrimination etc. I am sure it will be appealed never the less a great achievment.
Good luck and I hope one day you see the light. As I dont see how your complaining and bitterness is going to improve the situation that lgw are in.
If everyone joined one union had one voice you would be suprised at the difference you can make.
Instead when ever they say jump lgw say how high. LCY JFK for example.
But complaining about LHR colleagues seems to be a better option for you.
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